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posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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Most of the people in this country (U.S) shop till they drop. it's a nice little distraction from what is real. However they are not shopping as much as they used to. Then we have the wonderful mass media assuring us all is well and a pressident encouraging us to get back to shopping with that pathetic tax rebate. I wonder where we are borrowing that from?

I see more and more people waking up though, putting the plastic away and beginning to notice the problems. It will take 6.00 a gallon gas ( I have no problem with high gas prices if it is tax that goes into alternatives and environmental clean up) having a loved one locked up, having their freedoms taken away for them to stand up and do something..it will get worse before it gets better but I firmly believe it will get better.




posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by danx
You don't think that 'terrorists' apply to the POW status, that's fine. We don't see eye to eye and we'll leave it at that I guess


I'd leave it at that, but I never stated I thought that.
My understanding is that only uniformed soldiers are covered under the convention, but I could be wrong and I don't really have that strong of an opinion about it. I do think there needs to be some kind of set rules or guidelines that apply to terrorists/freedom fighters/insurgents/rebels/whatever you wanna call them, so at the very least we don't have to go round and round in discussions like this, lol. I think some people want so badly to apply everything evenly and claim the moral high ground, that they forget the kinds of men they are feeling sorry for, at the same time, I think our dumbass government is acting like they can do anything they want in the name of national security. There has to be a middle ground somewhere.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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You do know which century we are in yes?
OF COURSE EXECUTING MINORS IS INHUMANE - are you a savage?

You do understand the meaning of the word "civilized"?

You do understand what an oppressive regime is yes?

You do understand that suadi is an absolute monarchy with one of the strictest interpretations of sharia law?
Where no-one has any rights except those granted by a priveleged few who maintain their position at any cost even though they are in that position only by an accident of birth?

How is that freedom or democracy?

Y'know - the type shrub and his ilk are killing thousands of people to defend?

You're treading on very dangerous ground when you tell others what they do and do not know.
I'd suggest a re-think on that score.


I just love these gung-ho "OUR PRESIDENT IS NEVER WRONG" types - they're such good fun, but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.
No fun really - not when they're such easy targets.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:34 PM
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Just a quick question. Am I guilty of torture when I leave my kids with a babysitter? Because it sure is torture on me!



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by budski
I just love these gung-ho "OUR PRESIDENT IS NEVER WRONG" types - they're such good fun, but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.
No fun really - not when they're such easy targets.


So which is it?


Just messing around, had to point that one out.


I think we should all work to stop war in general, it's ALL inhumane. I almost think they want us all to bicker over small details, like whether waterboarding is torture or not. Maybe they throw little scraps like that out for us all to fight over while we miss the bigger picture...



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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I have to hand it to you hate America leftist, you're very entertaining.

You complain that we (U.S.) tortures prisoners, but the most severe form of interrogation we use is water-boarding which causes no physical harm, its it a psychological tactic that fools the mind into thinking the person is drowning. I'm sure it is not fun, but it does no damage. You also mention that these tactics are utter failures, well I'm sure the two terrorist we used it on (yes only two) who spilled their guts with all kinds of information that helped save American service members lives would disagree with your conclusion. Of ours the fact that it saved American lives is probably what bothers you most about it. By the way they are not criminals, they are terrorist, we don't torture criminals at all. By the way, where is your condemnation of the way terrorist treat their captives, don't you consider making people beg for their lives and then beheading them torture? If not then maybe we can add that to our own interrogation manual.

Ah yes, onto capital punishment. The loony left hates it because it is their criminal brethren who end up on the receiving end of this and each execution is one less Democratic vote. There is one thing wrong with capital punishment and that is that it takes years to implement it. If we killed these dregs of society the day after they were convicted then we would create a real deterrent and get justice in a timely manner. You lefties who cry and protest on behalf of murders rights to live are the same people who advocate killing innocent babies through abortion. Lets recap; Lefties advocate killing babies while wanting to protect murderers while righties want to protect innocent babies while killing convicted murders for both justice of the victims and to protect society from future harm. Hmmm I wonder who has it RIGHT.

On to the drug war. What is wrong with someone smoking a little weed in their home, surely no one is hurt by it so why does the government come down on these poor poor souls? Could it be because these poor souls then get in a car and then kill someone because they're high? Could it be because drugs destroy peoples minds and bodies while turning them into unproductive members of society? Maybe it's because people get hook on drugs and their only mission in life becomes a means by which they can get more? Well since losers do drugs and they are hooked on them they don't have jobs so they go out and burglarize peoples homes, cars and work places for things they can steal to pawn off for drug money. How do I know this? I used to be a cop and that is exactly what druggies do. Drugs are not a victimless crime, they actually are the catalysts for many other types of crimes beyond possession or distribution. I'm sure I'm not telling you lefties anything you don't already know on this subject as I'm sure most of you on this board who advocate drug use are jobless and have committed many crimes in your lives already. Of course you justify stealing because you just tell yourself that your stealing from rich selfish undeserving people. In reality these are hard working people who are where they are through hard work and perseverance only to have scum bags take what they have worked so hard for. I hate taxes, but one tax I'd be willing to pay more for is a tax to build far more prisons with mandatory prison sentences that bleeding heart liberal judges would have no power to reduce.

I wish I could address your anti-Christian rant, but I don't have enough space to do so. Suffice it to say your leftist idea of free speech only means others opinions will be valued and allowed if their opinions agree with your pro-crime, anti-baby, anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-imorality Socialist views. Why don't you go to some Socialist country like Canada or some place in Europe where you can be lazy and have the government pay your way loser.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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Only if the babysitter goes by the name of dubya and wears a cowboy hat in the house


Could be worse - you could send them hunting with cheney



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Mekanic
Just a quick question. Am I guilty of torture when I leave my kids with a babysitter? Because it sure is torture on me!


That points out nicely that the definition of torture varies depending on who it's applied to. I LOVE when somebody else is willing to watch my little hellions, lol.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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Please favour us with your knowledge, OH enlightened one.

I don't favour the death penalty because it's barbaric and demeans and brutalizes any society which practices it.

And I'm actually more of a conservative on most issues, with a strong liberal leaning.

I certainly could never be described as loony left or PC.

And to suggest that people under sentence of death are my "friends" is frankly more than a little offensive.

BTW, just so you know, talking about controlled substances is a violation of the T&C - wouldn't want you to get in trouble


[edit on 17/4/2008 by budski]



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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Yes we should work to stop war, injustice, torture, executions and mans basic inhumanity to man.

Unfortunately, as you can see from this thread, some people just love the violence and actually seem to thrive on it.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by 27jd
I'd leave it at that, but I never stated I thought that.


Oh damn, yeah.. I just noticed it wasn't you that said that heh
Sorry about that




I do think there needs to be some kind of set rules or guidelines that apply to terrorists/freedom fighters/insurgents/rebels/whatever you wanna call them, so at the very least we don't have to go round and round in discussions like this, lol.


Yeah, and this is it: Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol 1).

But the United States never ratified it, among other great free societies and democracies



The protocol entered into force on December 7, 1979 (six months after its adoption by the conference) and is binding for a country six months after it has ratified it. As of 14 January 2007 it had been ratified by 167 countries, with the United States, Israel, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan and Iraq being notable exceptions. However, the United States, Iran and Pakistan signed it on 12 December 1977 with the intention of ratifying it.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Patriot1
On to the drug war. What is wrong with someone smoking a little weed in their home, surely no one is hurt by it so why does the government come down on these poor poor souls? Could it be because these poor souls then get in a car and then kill someone because they're high?


Weed does NOT impair ones ability to drive, regardless of the BS propaganda you're trying to spout here. But ALCOHOL sure does, so shall we declare a war on alcohol?




Could it be because drugs destroy peoples minds and bodies while turning them into unproductive members of society? Maybe it's because people get hook on drugs and their only mission in life becomes a means by which they can get more? Well since losers do drugs and they are hooked on them they don't have jobs so they go out and burglarize peoples homes, cars and work places for things they can steal to pawn off for drug money. How do I know this? I used to be a cop and that is exactly what druggies do.


You must be have been a cop in your own delusional fantasy land. You have NO idea what you're talking about. What a joke.



Drugs are not a victimless crime, they actually are the catalysts for many other types of crimes beyond possession or distribution. I'm sure I'm not telling you lefties anything you don't already know on this subject as I'm sure most of you on this board who advocate drug use are jobless and have committed many crimes in your lives already.


I'm actually at work now, and have NO record whatsoever. So, wrong.




Of course you justify stealing because you just tell yourself that your stealing from rich selfish undeserving people. In reality these are hard working people who are where they are through hard work and perseverance only to have scum bags take what they have worked so hard for. I hate taxes, but one tax I'd be willing to pay more for is a tax to build far more prisons with mandatory prison sentences that bleeding heart liberal judges would have no power to reduce.


I've never stolen anything in my life, but now I think you're just BS'ing us. There's no way such a righty stereotype could actually exist, lol.



I wish I could address your anti-Christian rant, but I don't have enough space to do so. Suffice it to say your leftist idea of free speech only means others opinions will be valued and allowed if their opinions agree with your pro-crime, anti-baby, anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-imorality Socialist views. Why don't you go to some Socialist country like Canada or some place in Europe where you can be lazy and have the government pay your way loser.


Oh yeah, you're a joke. No doubt in my mind.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by budski
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I just love these gung-ho "OUR PRESIDENT IS NEVER WRONG" types -



So do I and I invite them to over 300 reasons which are documented facts- right here in your thread to dispute them:

www.netrootsmass.net...



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:53 PM
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I know that the war on drugs was mentioned in the article, but can we please not get into that discussion.

All that'll happen is that people will get in trouble, and then there'll be drama and the usual freedom of speech histrionics.

Please can we keep T&C violations out of this, for all our sakes and focus on bashing the shrub administration


Thanks guys



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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The death penalty is barbaric and serves no justice at all. I am very familiar with a case out of Harris county Texas..Gary Graham executed in 2000 for a crime he did not commit. www.encyclopedia.com...

It was discovered just days before the execution that the two witness that saw the crime happen stated to law enforcement it was not Gary Graham, but the Harris county D.A had their man based upon the testimony of a woman who thought she saw graham in her side view mirror and the actual witness testimony was never heard. That information went before Bush and he rejected it.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:56 PM
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Let's face it, bush loves war and death - did he ever commute a death sentence?

And he does this simply to further his own agenda.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Fine fine, lol. But it's only a T & C violation if you reference specific personal experiences. You can say you are for or against something as long as you don't get specific.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101
The President has already said that "waterboarding" is NOT torture and so has the department of defense.



Sorry, sorry, there is just something funny about the sentence.

I said waterboarding is ok, the president also said it's ok, and then the department of defense said ok. I guess ... it is ok.


Yup Waterboarding is A-ok

Oh, I'm such a happy camper.


Why don't you all concentrate on freeing america from chinese economic grip. Your multinationals help the communist china a lot. It should be your biggest concern.
Bush Jr has the backing of wealthy businessmen behind him, without that base, he'll be discarded like an old rag. You should know how to concentrate your fire.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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Actually he did....Henry Lee Lucas..a well known self proclaimed mass murder.

I lived in Austin when Bush was running for president and I thought it a joke. But after a while I began to think it possible and then of course the most dire news..the supremes handing him the office. How could so many people vote for someone that could sign the death warrants of so many with such ease? My country at times has frightened me.



posted on Apr, 17 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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I like that. If the Pres and DoD say it's ok, then you can bet it's ok! If GW tells you to shoot your sister, because it's ok, then it must be ok, right?

I love those "the president is never wrong" types.



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