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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
"Usually children die as collateral damage."
So if im robbing a gas station and kinda shoot a kid whilst loading oil into my car . Its just collateral damage eh?
As long as im there for the oil tho right? Or how does it work again?
Btw . Don't execute mean "to carry out" ?
[edit on 17-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]
The crime for which Patterson was executed, was committed when he was 17 years of age and still a juvenile. At that time, the U.S. Supreme Court applied its earlier ruling in Stanford vs. Kentucky 492 U.S. 361 1989 where Justice Scalia concluded that there was neither "a historical nor a modern societal consensus forbidding the imposition of Capital Punishment of any person who murders at 16 or 17 years of age".
Justice Scalia further found that such Capital Punishment "does not offend The Eighth Amendment’s prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment".
Originally posted by IAF101
Torture is illegal in the US. Gitmo is NOT in the US. Its a loophole that exists. Moreover you have ZERO proof to show that there was every torture in Gitmo.
The law defines a war crime to include a "grave breach of the Geneva Conventions", specifically noting that "grave breach" should have the meaning defined in any convention (related to the laws of war) to which the U.S. is a party. The definition of "grave breach" in some of the Geneva Conventions have text that extend additional protections, but all the Conventions share the following text in common: "... committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health."
The law applies if either the victim or the perpetrator is a national of the United States or a member of the U.S. armed forces. The penalty may be life imprisonment or death. The death penalty is only invoked if the conduct resulted in the death of one or more victims.
The CIA has for the first time publicly admitted using the controversial method of "waterboarding" on terror suspects.
CIA head Michael Hayden told Congress it had only been used on three people, and not for the past five years.
GENEVA (Reuters) - A United Nations investigator said on Thursday he strongly suspected the CIA of using torture on terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, suggesting many were not being prosecuted to keep the abuse from emerging at trial.
In 2005, CIA officials ordered the destruction of videotapes depicting the harsh interrogation of prisoners in the agency's secret overseas prisons.
Originally posted by danx
Originally posted by IAF101
Torture is illegal in the US. Gitmo is NOT in the US. Its a loophole that exists. Moreover you have ZERO proof to show that there was every torture in Gitmo.
You're wrong.
War Crimes Act of 1996:
The law defines a war crime to include a "grave breach of the Geneva Conventions", specifically noting that "grave breach" should have the meaning defined in any convention (related to the laws of war) to which the U.S. is a party. The definition of "grave breach" in some of the Geneva Conventions have text that extend additional protections, but all the Conventions share the following text in common: "... committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health."
Regarding if there's any proof of torture being done in GITMO, it doesn't matter if it was done in GITMO, the US or any other prisons. It was done, and it was admitted already.
CIA admits waterboarding inmates (Tuesday, 5 February 2008):
The CIA has for the first time publicly admitted using the controversial method of "waterboarding" on terror suspects.
CIA head Michael Hayden told Congress it had only been used on three people, and not for the past five years.
Waterboarding is A-ok
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Waterboarding currently falls under guidelines known as enhanced interrogation techniques both for U.S. and international law. Other methods of these interrogation techniques include sleep deprivation, being subjected to the cold, standing for long periods of time and even slapping.
U.N. rights envoy suspects CIA of Guantanamo torture
GENEVA (Reuters) - A United Nations investigator said on Thursday he strongly suspected the CIA of using torture on terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, suggesting many were not being prosecuted to keep the abuse from emerging at trial.
New Charges of Gitmo Torture
In 2005, CIA officials ordered the destruction of videotapes depicting the harsh interrogation of prisoners in the agency's secret overseas prisons.
Originally posted by 27jd
If waterboarding can be labeled as torture, then so can just about any unpleasant interrogation techniques used anywhere. Using the definition of the law in the link you provided, how can one truly measure "great suffering"? I can see how injury can be measured, but suffering? One could argue that even the act of capturing somebody and imprisoning them causes "great suffering".
(Article 17): "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by IAF101
The crime for which Patterson was executed, was committed when he was 17 years of age and still a juvenile. At that time, the U.S. Supreme Court applied its earlier ruling in Stanford vs. Kentucky 492 U.S. 361 1989 where Justice Scalia concluded that there was neither "a historical nor a modern societal consensus forbidding the imposition of Capital Punishment of any person who murders at 16 or 17 years of age".
Justice Scalia further found that such Capital Punishment "does not offend The Eighth Amendment’s prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment".
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Enough said.
Torture in abu ghraib was committed, and is STILL being committed.
I find your view of the violence promulgated by the US leaders in the name of freedom to be naive in the extreme.
Yeah, the US leaders just LOVE freedom - that's why they're SUCH good friends with saudi.
Follow the money.
Originally posted by danx
If you don't mind me asking and this is not pertinent at all for my argument, but, in your opinion, you don't think waterboarding is torture? To make someone feel like they are drowning?
But anyway, one thing is clear: waterboarding is not allowed by the Geneva Conventions.
(Article 17): "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."
Originally posted by 27jd
Plus, everybody knows about it now, so how is anybody honestly going to think they're really drowning now? They know it's a mind game now, and mind games don't work when you are aware of them.