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Torturers In The Whitehouse: Why Is This Story Being Ignored?

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posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 07:02 AM
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Because you have no free press in America.
Blogging is free, and those people that blog are not paid by anyone and can write whatever they want without fear of losing money and customers if they don;t like the blog
I wonder how long it will be until we will need a permit to access the internet, and all who talk about conspiracy theories are seen as "saboteurs" or something.




posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by logictruth14
ok you say the official story isnt true. yet you dont offer any evidence that is true. everything you guys try to prove can be disproven it can be explained it just doesnt hold up simply because its false. your chasing a ghost.


There's a whole forum here on ATS dedicated to the Official 9/11 Story holes, with plenty of good posts and research. You should give it a try.

Sure, the Official 9/11 Story can explain some of the holes the 'conspiracy theories' point out... if the laws of physics somehow didn't apply in New York on that day.

I don't think we're chasing a ghost, the people who are chasing some guy name Osama something, on the other hand, might be.

Oh wait.. I forgot. Osama Bin Laden doesn't matter anymore.

Bush - Truly not concerned about Bin Laden

Bush lying about it on the presidential debate



and for the right wing media issue. yeah they are critical on some issues but the truth is theyre not hateful.


Hahaha Fox News is not hateful? I guess you don't watch Fox News, or you're just so brainwashed that you don't even notice it.

Bill O'Reilly at his best



the fact is hes a good president better then clinton, certainly hes better then anyone running on the democratic side.


Oh boy, aren't you in denial. Such a good president? You must have watched the Fox News documentary 'Fighting to the Finish'.

One doesn't need to watch more than the first 30 seconds to see what kind of 'documentary' it is, and I quote:

"From the beginning George W. Bush has been ridiculed for his speaking style. He jokes about it himself. So it's a bit of a paradox that he's now also credited with some of the most eloquent and visionary speeches ever delivered by an American President"

I guess Fox News doesn't want 'history to judge' the President, they'll just make up their own and even before he leaves office. Haha what a joke.

But anyway, since you think he's such a great President, ask him to declare Marshall law and totally enslave you, so he can be your dictator for a few more years.



i watch the daily show.sadly its gotten way too political and hateful. theyre not a credible news source so dont try to prove a point by sighting them. its just idiotic.


I wasn't asking you to look at it because it's from The Daily Show, because I know you'd never get such an intelligent show. I was asking you to look at the piece because on it, they show what Fox News used to say about Bill Clinton in the past.

It's funny that everything the 'liberals' now say about George Bush, Fox News was saying about Bill Clinton. Somehow when Bush got elected, everyone at Fox News lost their moral compass. Or maybe, Fox News is simply the Cable News Department of the Republican Party and they never intended to provide 'news'.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by logictruth14
here are just some the good he has done.


Even though this thread is not about Bush's merits (or complete lack thereof) I feel a need to get out my needle and pop your noxious gas-filled balloon.


Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.


Which went, mostly, to the wealthiest Americans, while the pittance recieved by the working class has been effectively destroyed by inflation.

The Truth About the Bush Tax Cuts
The Bush Tax Increase
Big Lies and Little Truth
The Emperor's New Tax Cut


Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.


We may actually agree on this one.


Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.


Turned around for whom? The top 1% who are already so rich they could buy a small country of their own? I don't know where your benchmark for a "good economy" is, but when I'm seeing gas at nearly $4/gallon, the Dollar almost as weak as the Peso, higher food prices, soaring utility and health care costs, etc. etc. etc. I don't think "Hey, we're doin' GREAT!!"


Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.


If this is true then why have we had a net loss of 2.2 Million jobs since Bush took office? And don't give me "Clinton" as an excuse. NAFTA is bad policy, and yes, Clinton signed it, but Bush has expanded it.


Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.


Prove this. Please.


Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.


That's funny. Last I read, corporations were still getting away with all kinds of crimes. Exxon Mobil still has not paid their punitive damages for the Exxon Valdez oil spill.


Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.


So that people who live off investments pay lower tax rates than secretaries, small business owners, and factory workers. How fair is that?


Signed trade promotion authority.


Which has been used to sign deals sending more American manufacturing jobs overseas, and prop up regimes with horrendous human-rights records, such as China.


Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.


This one I agree with.


Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.


Maybe Europe is right. The long-term effects of the consumption of biotech-produced crops has not yet been discovered. Ten years from now we could very well find out corn genetically modified to produce more ears per stalk causes cancer, asthma, or any number of other ailments. By then it would be too late to fix.


Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.


Which, due to procedural rules, actually makes it harder for countries such as Cuba to import food from the U.S.

US Rules Limit Food Trade


Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.


Not nearly enough.


Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.


Again, not nearly enough, and he has consistently cut funding for disabled veterans.

Indignities Endured by US Military Veterans


Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.


People shouldn't have to save a small fortune to pay out of their own pockets for education in a civilized country.



Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.


We wouldn't need H1B visas at all if education were fully funded from kindergarten through college, like it is in most of the industrialized world. Most of the people getting H1B visas are from India, where qualified students pay roughly 10-30% of their tuition, and women go to college practically for free. If that system existed in America, we'd have more than 20% of the populace earning a Bachelor's degree or higher education, and the need for H1B visas would essentially evaporate.

[edit on 4/18/2008 by The Nighthawk]



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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It's a really disturbing thought to think this is just being over looked. I don't think I'm alone in saying I would have a lot more respect for the United States (as a govt/power, the people I respect as any other) if their people of authority were subject to the policies that they frequently preach to the rest of the world. It just seems to me, much more lately, that these people only follow their own rules when it suits them and when it doesn't, well... people get tortured.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by 1-Cent
It's a really disturbing thought to think this is just being over looked. I don't think I'm alone in saying I would have a lot more respect for the United States (as a govt/power, the people I respect as any other) if their people of authority were subject to the policies that they frequently preach to the rest of the world. It just seems to me, much more lately, that these people only follow their own rules when it suits them and when it doesn't, well... people get tortured.


You're not alone. We used to be a creditor nation in the '70s, and now we're the world's largest debtor. We used to hold the moral high ground and command respect. Now we're just the world's bankrupt, violent, drunken hick with three teeth and a jacked-up rusted-out pickup truck and two cars on blocks in front of our trailer. It's truly a sad degeneration from being the shining city on the hill.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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Used to be a creditor nation since the 70s?
Buddy we were already close to reaching the trillion dollar on national debt.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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When did we pull American troops out in Saudi Arabia? I believe we still have some forces in Saudi Arabia. Most of the forces have moved on to Iraq. 9/11 didn't force America out of Saudia Arabia. The invasion of Iraq did since Gulf War Iraq was deemed a threat. No threat, no need to have a large presence in there. Its just not well known by the Arab world now. Didn't Osama wanted all American forces out of the Middle East as he has proclaimed since the early 90s? Hasn't happened yet. Didn't Osama wanted no American troops in Afghanistan? That seems to be the opposite of what he wants, especially since Afghanistan is his homebase. He has wanted American troops out of Afghanistan.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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when it comes down to taxes you really have to think.
it makes sense to give tax breaks to the really wealthy because theyre the ones investing millions and millions to keep our economy going, theyre the one who give you jobs, these people didnt get rich quick they worked hard so its not fair that they have to pay so much.
when taxes are cut the economy booms. its been proven.
when captial gains tax is lowered the economy booms. history has proved this.



posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by logictruth14
when it comes down to taxes you really have to think.
it makes sense to give tax breaks to the really wealthy because theyre the ones investing millions and millions to keep our economy going,


They're also the ones mucking around with commodities and driving the price of oil and other needs so high the average American is struggling to afford them. They're the ones who resort to chicanery (such as buying politicians and writing their own regulations) that creates all these "bubbles" that eventually burst, leaving workers to pick up the pieces--and, incidentally, leaving the average American taxpayer to bail them out when they eventually screw up. They expect us to socialize the cost of their bailouts, but not to touch their profits when they do well. You can't have it both ways.


theyre the one who give you jobs,


Which they just aren't doing much of right now. And what jobs have been created are not replacing the ones that made America great to begin with: manufacturing is all but dead in this country. Most of the jobs that have been created since the first Bush tax cuts have either been minimum wage or just over, or they've been for jobs requiring higher education (again, less than 20% of Americans have a Bachelor's Degree or higher) and most people simply cannot afford to go back to school, go into debt for tens of thousands of dollars, take three to four years of classes and hope there will be a job waiting when they graduate. How is that helping?


these people didnt get rich quick they worked hard


Actually the majority of people in the highest income levels are born into it. They have a financial legacy passed on through their family, just like Bush. Many of them, if left to their own devices, would likely fail miserably, just like Bush. He ran no fewer than three (3) oil companies into the ground and had to be bailed out of each. Just about every "success" in his life has been because of who he knows and what family he was born into, not because of his "intelligence", schooling, determination, or competence. His family connections got him out of Vietnam, into the ANG, protected him when he went AWOL, covered up his coke use, got him into Yale (and Skull & Bones) and set him up for the Governorship of Texas and his subsequent rise to the Presidency (having favors owed his family had NOTHING to do with the Supreme Court unconstituionally hearing Bush V. Gore. Naaaaaahhhh, not at all). The idea that you can just start from nothing and get rich, without resorting to dishonest means, is almost pure fantasy. Anyone who pulls off such a feat is likely either extremely lucky or lying through their teeth.


so its not fair that they have to pay so much.


They aren't paying half as much as they did forty years ago, and this nation was in better shape for the higher taxes they paid. As far as I'm concerned they don't pay nearly enough, especially considering how much this community (the USA) has need of right here at home. And why do you care so much about the rich? They don't care about you. Unless you're making at least six figures yourself, you're cheering for the wrong team.


when taxes are cut the economy booms. its been proven.


For a short time, and primarily in specialist industries that cater to the rich, like yacht builders and expensive high-end homes and land deals. But, the "prosperity" brought about by tax cuts almost never benefits the average working-class American, and in fact often hurts them as the rich hoard resources and drive up prices. Trickle-down economics sounds good on paper but when human nature comes into play, all that money they're supposed to be using to create good jobs and keep the economy on solid ground ends up lining their own pockets and buying expensive toys. They simply don't put it back into the economy in any way that benefits the working class.


when captial gains tax is lowered the economy booms. history has proved this.


In the short term, yes! But over a five-to ten-year period it evens out. When factored for inflation, the "booms" created by CGT cuts don't matter a bit. And it's still unfair that someone who makes all their money through investing pays a lower percentage than someone working at a gas station.

Frankly I don't know where you're coming from. You seem very young from the content/style of your posts, and to see someone who likely makes a low- to middle-class salary acting as a champion for a bunch of wealthy bastards who don't give a damn about you or this country and actively try to suppress the working class is very depressing.

[edit on 4/21/2008 by The Nighthawk]



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