this photo is too much photoshopped by nasa. I request all of you to download the photo from nasa site, fire up ps and see literally ANYWHERE in the photo in detail, everything has been blurred or has been blackened. This aint mars photo, this is photo of our beloved earth. I saw PIGEON # on that photo.

Nasa pwned itself with this.

I see the guy who shot that video has more out on his site. he had that mexican ufo man that goes on TV come take a look at his video and he said its real. They both are in the video and hes explaining what happened. I would post it here but not sure how.

Originally posted by JPhish
This guy has seen way too many spielberg films. The lights on the bottom of the object seem to be completely pointless. I'm pretty sure it's fake.

Ahhh...an expert on ufos? Where do you think Spielberg got his ideas for his craft? Eyewittness sightings Where does the reality cross over into the fiction?

Well, I've been within 80 feet of the underneath of a ufo in daylight, (witnessed by thousands incidently) and I can tell you that it's a bizarre and amazing sight. It looks like nothing you've ever really seen before - outside of a few scifi movies

J.


[edit on 19-5-2008 by jimbo999]

Not that i am a disbeliever in E.T.'s

But the video in the Original post, to me, looks like a fake.

The reason i say this, is go watch the video again, when the bird flies by it...the machine looks only slightly larger than the bird (the bird gives it scale is what i mean)

Unless of course, someone wishes to make the argument that maybe they're micro-aliens

In which case my theory is totally debunked

Star and flagged. I'll need to look into this further. Before I can respond.

Well I knew it was fake, but that was the most convincing CGI I've ever seen. Props to the guy who made it...

I guess case closed

You just made a fool of yourself Internos !! This guy tachiblog is a hoaxer
well known in Mexico who's real name is Humberto Villafuerte Alvarez and
along with a teacher Ana Luisa Cid perpetrated a cheap hoax trying to
discredit the Alvin Texas / Mauricio Ruiz case and you know why ? Just
because the witness refused to give them his story and they retaliated.
This scandal rised in Mexico and was exposed on the media and national
television several times ridiculizing these couple of charlatans tachiblog
Humberto Villafuerte and Ana Luisa Cid, big scandal indeed.

These guys tachiblog and Ana Lusa Cid invented the tale that an
anonymous student from Alvin Texas made the whole video using
animation software but they refused to mention the name of the alleged
student and the actual recreation in real time, simply because it was a
false story with no evidences whatsoever. The real story is that the Ufo
witness Mauricio Ruiz received the visit of the research team in his own
house comanded by mexican researcher Jaime Maussan in May 2008.
The witness Mauricio Ruiz was interviewed and he showed the locations
the actual videocamera and even provided the original 8 mm tape to be
analyzed by experts in Mexico. The witness showed his garden, his home,
his neighborhood, everything required for the research and all these
elements were presented in several tv shows on national tv and the case
is still on investigation. At this moment the original 8 mm tape is being
analyzed by experts and the results will be published very soon.

Now I ask you Internos the same question these charlatans tachiblog and
Ana Luisa Cid were asked and failed to answer. If this video was indeed
made by that alleged anonymous student and added the animation then:
How In God's name this "unknown student" managed to get into Mauricio's
house and videotape Mauricio's garden ? Because the frames this guy
tachiblog is presenting show Mauricio Ruiz home garden, you see ?
Besides this guy tachiblog never presented a real time video anywhere
just some frames taken from Youtube precisely from Mauricio Ruiz own
uploaded video from April 12, 2008. Then the hoaxer tachiblog just erased
with photoshop the Ufo from every frame and then made a 3d drawing to
suggest it was the model used, cheap very cheap debunking attempt that
was exposed on national television. This guy tachiblog is a webmaster and
make webpages so he has knowledge of making computer designs but he
is not a researcher or ufologist and certainly not a smart guy either. His
failed debunk attempt is just a revenge against Mauricio Ruiz for not
giving the videotape and the story.

Humberto Villafuerte a.k.a. tachiblog is the accomplice of Ana Luisa Cid in
this fraud against a legitimate case and they were exposed big time on
national tv.

And I have much more to show you Internos about this pair of scum from
Mexico, you will be surprised. But first let me challenge you Internos.

I make a public challenge to you Internos, here and for everyone to see
so you can present hard evidence that this Ufo over Alvin, Texas /
Mauricio Ruiz case is a hoax, with your own research elements just to
prove your allegations and sustain your claimed End of Story statements.
I'm ready to present enough evidence to support this case against
your debunking attempt and graphic evidences of a legitimate research
performed on this case. I'm ready to prove that you certainly made a
fool of yourself Internos by beliveing what this unknown person tachiblog
who's real name is Humberto Villafuerte Alvarez just said and you fell for
that without even bothering to make a proper research about the
background of this guy. I was under the impression you were a smart guy
Internos but from now on for me you just fell from the grace.

Anyway let's do this big Internos. Let's start the challenge, just show your
cards on the table. I will wait for your response that is if you are
interested, i guess you will think twice now. Go on.

By the way do you know who forgetomori is ? I bet you don't know him
either Internos. For your information forgetomori is Kentaro Mori, a well
known skeptic and debunker from Brazil, he is like the brazilian Shermer
and a CISCOP member. What did you expect from him Internos ? This
guy Kentaro Mori debunks every single Ufo story around. Well ? Go on
and check him.

If you want to support Kentaro Mori then it will mean you are also a skeptic
yourself Internos and maybe you also belong to CISCOP or whatever in
wich case I've been wasting my time with you. In any case I will like to
hear your arguments and see your evidences to claim the Alvin Texas
case is a hoax. I will prove it's legitimate. That's it.

Lets attack the issues people not each other.

Thanks and carry on.

Spiderj

Originally posted by free_spirit

Two important questions for you internos:

1- How trustable for you is this guy tachiblog ?

2- How trustable for you is this guy forgetomori (Kentaro Mori)?

free_spirit, listen to me now please.
I've been looking at your work here for a long time.
I accept many of your criticism because im not a person who never makes mistakes. In my opinion you are an excellent researcher who (AS ME) may have some wrong friends (and i have MORE THAN ONE).

Tachiblog=trustable technically zero, cause i can't make any assesment on his identity, nor i can't perform a whois, so this point comes to you

Well, this is my take: since you rised a problem about the reliability of the debunking, let's make so:

I will try to get in touch with the guy who made the alleged CGI wile YOU will convince the author of the sighting to share his original footage, HERE: no other people allowed: the original footage will be sent straight to Jeff Ritzmann's email.

All i see from you is a bunch of blah blah blah while im interested in facts:
where are the facts?
Ahhh, right, "they will come", right?.



[edit on 12/6/2008 by internos]

Originally posted by internos

I will try to get in touch with the guy who made the alleged CGI wile YOU will convince the author of the sighting to share his original footage, HERE: no other people allowed: the original footage will be sent straight to Jeff Ritzmann's email.

[edit on 12/6/2008 by internos]

You mean you are going to find the alleged student from Alvin, Texas that
allegedly took a video from Mauricio Ruiz own garden and later added a
CGI animation over the video ? Go ahead and be my guest because this
mysterious student has never come forward yet. If you find him in Alvin
Texas could you be so kind to inform me right away to investigate him
and see his evidence ?

So far both Ana Luisa Cid and her partner Humberto Villafuerte a.k.a
tachiblog never presented this mysterious student along with the actual
recreation footage made, not to this day and the challenge was made on
national television in México in April internos. Then if you think you may
have luck and find this "nonexistent student" that claimed to have made
the Mauricio Ruiz Ufo footage make your search. Then you will find out
the "student" was just a bad debunking shot by this couple, simple as
that.

About the original footage you metioned a name Jeff Ritzmann ?
Who is he ? Where does he live and what are his credentials cause I
don't remember hearing about him. Is Mr. Ritzmann reliable ? Is he
a researcher or a skeptic ? Maybe you could give me more info about
Mr. Ritzmann. Anyway i have to be clear on this internos.

First I'm not in charge or involved in any way on this investigation
regarding the Alvin Texas / Mauricio Ruiz Ufo case. I knew about this story
when it was released on Youtube and discussed here on ATS in April.

I got very interested since I considered a spectacular footage. I decided
to make my own private research and contacted luckymauro the next
day on Youtube and he kindly replied my message giving me his name
Mauricio Ruiz. He told me the sighting took place in Alvin, Texas not in
Houston and gave me his personal email. We emailed each other that
day and then he gave me his personal cellular phone number.

We continued emailing and talking by phone the subsequent days and
Mauricio provided me all the details of his sighting including the two
blackouts and transformers burned etc. Mauricio Ruis is a gentleman
and never refused to share anything to me, that's when I really knew
all about his case. Then Mauricio sent me a DVD with a copy of the Ufo
sighting along with copies of two subsequent sightings including the object
landing the next day April 12 and the Ufo forming a strange cloud. These
videos are also in Youtube.

More strange events happened in the neighborhood related to this incident
and Mauricio videotaped some of these events. Mauricio told me that he
received a long distance call by Jaime Maussan from Mexico City the same
day he uploaded the Ufo video to Youtube that is April 11. They arranged a
meeting and Mauricio asked Maussan to do a research and gave him the
original tape. Also at that time Mauricio Ruiz was receiving a lot of emails
and request in his Youtube inbox from many researchers and groups
asking to handle his case. Mauricio answered he was working already
with Jaime Maussan. Mauricio Ruiz told me all this sequence of events as
we were in touch almost daily.

Then I tried to contact Jaime Maussan by phone and finally I was able to
find him in his office in Mexico City. We exchanged informations and later
emailed each other. In a matter of few weeks I gathered important data
from this case thanks to both sources. In my mind there was no doubt,
this was a legitimate case and I had the evidences that supported the story.

Then the failed debunk attempt was performed by the school teacher
named Ana Luisa Cid who interestingly and according to Maussan's people
was banned from the research group years ago for conspiracy and
difamation activities against several colaborators of the organization.
From that time Ana Luisa Cid transformed herself in an all time debunker
for every case, witness or evidence related with Jaime Maussan only as
revenge due to a frustration for being banned. Recently Ana Luisa Cid
made partnership with an unknown individual named Humberto Villafuerte
who writes under the pseudonym tachiblog and who is also an enemy of
Jaime Maussan.

This couple Ana Luis Cid and tachiblog Humberto Villafuerte decided to
debunk the Maurucio Ryuiz / Alvin Texas in retaliation for not giving them
his story and also because Maussan is invloved. These are undeniable facts
and can be proved anytime if required. I received every detail and
evidence of the failed hoax perpetrated by this couple Cid/tachiblog
from the Jaime Maussan's office wich I thank them and that's how I knew
all about this outrageous debunk attempt.

The Jaime Maussan's office was kind enough to send me every episode of
their tv show with their investigation on the case including the recent
exposure of the failed hoax by this couple, a demolishing exposé.
This is the real story behind the debunk attempt by Cid and tachiblog
internos, the real motives merely personal. You asked me about facts
and I'm giving you these facts from my own private research.

I think it's important to know all the issues on this case not only the video
itself but how this incident happened, who is really the witness and what
were the consequences registered in that place. There's been many
hours spent in this investigation and the results have been presented only
in Mexico but very soon the story will be released by the american media.

In my own private research I'm satisfied of the data gathered after many
emails and phone calls. At this moment my conclusion is that the state of
Texas is experiencing an intense Ufo wave of sightings that attracted the
attention of people and media. This Ufo activity is real and ongoing and
we as researchers must insist to all those witnesses videotaping or
photographing Ufos please come forward, share your evidences, tell your
stories. Times are changing.

Why is every thread you write a mile long spirit... do you really care that much? He presented a news story and said he believes it, you don't have to make it personal. Present the facts in a calm way that doesn't portray you as attacking internos. Chill pill, please.