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Elmer_Dinkley
To say that all video footage is meaningless is extreme
to say the least,seems to me you are poo pooing the subject
matter!
I think this one is hoax too,but to dismiss it out of hand
before it has been gone over with a fine tooth comb,and
analyzed properly by the right people ,is criminal imo.
If this has Jaime Maussan involved,then I`m
pretty sure it`s a fake,as he`s in it for the money imho,
until we have the footage from the guy who filmed this
to analyze,then I agree with you kindred,to an extent LOL
So you believe that ALL footage is fake then,and if not
what`s a good example of what you believe to be real?
Originally posted by Nohup
Originally posted by hammanderr
We can all speculate all we want, but without the original video analysis even the scant contribution that this video could provide to the ufo community is lacking.
Quite so. Perhaps it might be possible to get a decent analysis from the original video. But the best we could possibly say about it is that if it's a hoax, we don't know how it was done. \That's nowhere near saying it's "real," and a few billion miles away from verifying that it's some kind of craft controlled by time travelers or aliens or leprechauns.
[edit on 21-4-2008 by Nohup]
Originally posted by Palasheea
Nohup, I agree that saying it's a hoax is nowhere near saying it's real.
Jeesh...
Originally posted by Nohup
Originally posted by Palasheea
Nohup, I agree that saying it's a hoax is nowhere near saying it's real.
Jeesh...
That's not what I said. I said that not being able to prove something is a hoax is not the same as saying that it's legitimate. Just because you don't know how a magic trick is done, doesn't make it any less of a trick.
Some people here fail to see that distinction. To them, if an image or bit of footage can't be proven a hoax, that means it's "real," and joy reigns as all the evil debunkers must be forced to admit their shameful defeat.
Originally posted by MrPenny
Originally posted by Palasheea
Below are two frame-shots from that section of this clip showing the location of that bird. It's flying in a straight line OVER/ABOVE that object.
Thanks for the frame-shots. The bird zips by pretty quick and the stills helps to freeze it a bit. So, it looks to me like the bird is just as focused as the object. I don't think that object is much larger than the bird.
Well, actually no. The bird is flying BEHIND that object. One is more focused than the other.
Um, just saying that you were right in the first place when you said that the bird was flying behind that object but then I showed you that it was not only flying at a further distance from where we are seeing that object in this vid but that that bird is also zipping by OVER/ABOVE that object too!
So I agree with you that the bird is BEHIND that object but still am perplexed why you still are saying that that object and the bird are on the same plane and that they are both equally focused when they are clearly NOT.
One is behind and the other is in front... this means they are on 2 different planes... not one. This also explains why the object is more focused than that bird so I'm sorry but I'm not quite understanding what you mean here.
But the bottom line is that you were right in the first place that the bird is behind that object so this is an important fact in the overall analysis of this clip.
[edit on 21-4-2008 by Palasheea]
Originally posted by Markshark4
I found a UFO pic at UFO Casebook that looks EXACTLY like the one in this video!
UFO April 11, 2008 - Houston, Texas
UFO April 24, 1993 - Jalisco, Guadalajara
Turn the pic upside down and it is an exact match!
1993-Jalisco, Guadalajara, April 24-This photograph was taken in the state of Jalisco in 1993. Several years later more reports of UFOs are made: On Saturday, January 3, 1998, at 3 a.m., airline pilot Gary Sanders who has 24 years of flying experience in the USAF saw a reddish-colored light move rapidly from east to west, then the object suddenly changed direction by about 135 degrees of turn and very sharply, twice, defying "any laws of flight and physics that I am aware of." On Saturday, December 5, 1998, between 7 and 7:30 p.m., thousands of people in the states of Jalisco and Aguascaliente in Mexico watched a UFO described as "a very bright white light" fly over the Sierra Madre mountains.
www.ufocasebook.com...
[edit on 21-4-2008 by Markshark4]
Originally posted by MrPenny
Congrats Nohup....you have been "obtused".....my new verb.