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posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by applecrumblemaker
Why do white people not try to fight the illusion they live, each and every white person knows exactly why the world has become such a pain in the arse

I'm still trying to process what you're saying. Can't work out whether you're trying to be provocative or not.

Why do white people not try to fight the illusion they live? I'm pretty sure that the white demographic is represented very well here on ATS (a good first step towards facing and fighting the 'illusion') - as are people of all backgrounds. No one race appears to be better at fighting the illusion they live. If you think that doing badly in school is an effective method of fighting 'the illusion', well... I don't think I even need to finish that sentence.


Originally posted by applecrumblemaker
I care nothing for slavery, firstly because I know much about the white slave trade and secondly it's a vague part of history that the whites love to remind us about not knowing there ignorance

Last I checked it's the blacks who like to remind the world about slavery and the Jews who like to remind the world about the holocaust. White people aren't proud of those things. When will the world stop blaming the white man for crimes perpetrated by his long forgotten ancestors. It's like the new 'original sin'. Guilty of being white - for no other reason than because some people's forefathers were horrible people. Besides, the white race is as diverse as the Asian race. The ancestral cultures of a white Briton are far removed from those of a white Russian for example.


Originally posted by applecrumblemaker
I have also noticed intense "jealousy" the white man gets very jealous to see a black man become a success with the ability to pass on his wealth and knowledge to his siblings

Even if that is the case - I don't see it but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - so what? If a white man is jealous of a black man, it's HIS problem, not the black man's. The successful black man should pay absolutely no heed to a jealous white man. Society is not setup to support the white man when he has jealous racial grievances. This point is completely irrelevant. There are insecure, jealous people in all races.




posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:04 AM
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There is no cure for racism as powerful as success.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by applecrumblemaker
Why do white people not try to fight the illusion they live,



talk about racist, assuming the mindset of hundreds of millions of people across the world based on the colour of skin



each and every white person knows exactly why the world has become such a pain in the arse, the last few hundreds years of history could of been better.


so much crazy where to start, wars, slavery, oppression are as common among asians and blacks as they are amongst whites- also, you might want to check where most of the medical, scientific, technological etc advancements have emerged from.......




I'm mixed race but I care nothing for slavery,


I'm white and have never owned a slave



firstly because I know much about the white slave trade


pity you don't know about the black, arab, non white slave trade- the fact that slavery existed before the white man came to Africa, the fact that north africans enslaved hundreds of thousands of white europeans or the fact that slavery goes on in Africa today



and secondly it's a vague part of history that the whites love to remind us about not knowing there ignorance,


such irony



I have also noticed intense "jealousy" the white man gets very jealous to see a black man become a success with the ability to pass on his wealth and knowledge to his siblings,



It is the opposite, black agitation and "white self hating" jealousy of white/european status and advancement




I know for a fact most whites do not like being a racist,



The fact is you are racist- FACT



but the minute you leave your home you will become a zombie and lose all natural control of your thoughts and body language simply because the message of fear in the form of stereotypes has been impaled into your way of thinking, not knowing you are basing your assumptions on others with zero knowledge on the subject at the time, read my last post on this board the statistics are plain so see but you only want to hear one side of the story.



Irony from the racist



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:23 AM
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I do not want to sound racist here but it will probally turn out that way but isn't this more to do with "culture" and the way children are raised, rather than the school system it self?

Asian families are very sucess driven, doing well in school has a very high priority in there culture, look at Japan and China (Where I think the average IQ is 105). This also causes its own problems however due to the fact that failure in this area leads to a much higher suicide rate for those who do not achieve very well. Sucess is part of there culture, so it rubs of on them and they focus on doing well.

Blacks on the other had have quite frankly an awfull culture (a recent and "fake" culture) where not doing well and being criminal is seen as a good thing, with all the rap music, "being da niger", playing with guns and playing the victim crap is seen as the standard to achieve. If you try to be sucessfull, doing well at school you are likely to be bullied and seen as bowing down to the "white crackers". Considering it is not really, their real culture in the first place (rather look at what exists if Africa) but something developed over the past 100-200 years this is the area which really needs to change.

Change the culture and values of blacks and they will achieve well without having to change the school system.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 06:34 AM
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Whilst I can see your points, I think it maybe goes a bit deeper than that.

Yes there are cultural issues involved, but there are also societal issues as well.

And don't forget all the PC issues where there has, over the years, built up a theory of oppression and "white guilt" which at the same time seeks to label certain ethnicities as victims.

This in turn leads to the problems we see today - trendy PC lefties blaming everyone and everything for the problems faced by an ethnic group, except the problems within the group itself.

If you create a culture of blame and a culture of victims, then people will start to act that way regardless of their ethnicity.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 07:05 AM
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For starters if you think black people do not get the respect they deserve because as a whole we are not fairing as well in the education system compared to other ethnic backgrounds "your wrong". A friend of mine grew up in germany he is mixed race and lived in a middle class area being brought up by his white grandparents, he did well in school and went on to further his education through university etc, but this did stop the whites from ridiculing him, he enlightened me on the fact that it does not matter about class/money/education, whites will find another way to demonise you in the hope they are superior


p.s may I add the germans are so racists they do not acknowledge it, at least most americans/brits etc admit to being hateful



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 07:15 AM
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To be honest, I find that pretty offensive with regard to brits.

I know that some mainland europe countries have problems with racism, most especially, germany, france, spain, portugal and italy - this is especially seen in football matches, whether club or international.

But Britain is now one of the most tolerant nations on earth, and we do more than 99% of other countries to combat racism.

Let's also not forget that racism is not just a white problem - some of the most bigotted people I have ever known have been non-whites.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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Have you ever experienced racism first hand. Britain is racists and do not pretend otherwise, it was only last night the 10 oclock news were stating the BNP had made historical gains, it actually sounded like a advertisement, I will share the facts because nobody else will. Copy and paste.


The black business community forms a vital part of London's economy. Today there are more than 10,000 black-owned private sector businesses in London. Black businesses no longer simply specialise in a few industries, serving niche markets, but cover many mainstream market sectors. Their combined annual turnover exceeds £4.5 billion*, and they provide over 70,000 jobs to London's economy.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 08:11 AM
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Yes,I have experienced racism at first hand, when I lived in birmingham.

It wasn't safe for me to walk the streets of handsworth (and lea bank and cape hill and parts of aston/witton) at times, just because I'm white - so don't give any of that rubbish about only whites being racist

The BNP have made gains because people want the government to know that they dislike the policies of unregulated immigration - this little island is too damn crowded.

But when it comes time for real elections, the BNP will hardly get a sniff.

I suggest that taking the chip off your shoulder and having a look at the real issues might be in order.

People should stop blaming others for their own shortcomings - if britain is so racist, howcome the asian and chinese don't have any problems? apart from isolated incidents, and that's the same for every ethnic group.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by budski
reply to post by applecrumblemaker
 


People should stop blaming others for their own shortcomings - if britain is so racist, howcome the asian and chinese don't have any problems? apart from isolated incidents, and that's the same for every ethnic group.



I will not add anymore to this discussion because there is way to much nonsense flying around, what on earth makes you think the asians are getting on so well with whites because I seem to remember the bradford riots were asians went about destroying white businesses and homes lasting several days only 7 years ago, smaller riots have erupted since for example lancashire 2006, if you going to talk without thinking please be my guest but not on my watch


[edit on 18-4-2008 by applecrumblemaker]



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by applecrumblemaker
The black business community forms a vital part of London's economy. Today there are more than 10,000 black-owned private sector businesses in London. Black businesses no longer simply specialise in a few industries, serving niche markets, but cover many mainstream market sectors. Their combined annual turnover exceeds £4.5 billion*, and they provide over 70,000 jobs to London's economy.


And yet you post this which contradicts everything you say.

As far as the bradford and other lancs riots go, you should know that they were the result of ultra right wing groups targetting communities.

And then what about the riots in birminghams lozells area in 2005 between black and asian youths, which were said to be the result of racialtensions between the two groups?

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

Not on your watch


[edit on 18/4/2008 by budski]



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by applecrumblemaker
what on earth makes you think the asians are getting on so well with whites because I seem to remember the bradford riots were asians went about destroying white businesses and homes lasting several days only 7 years ago

Budski was saying that Asians 'don't have problems' in the sense that they succeed within the British school system - nothing about how well they get on socially. They're two slightly different issues.

Anyway, wouldn't that further prove the point? I mean, if there's more racial tension between whites and Asians than there is between whites and blacks, and yet Asians are still outperforming whites in school, then racism against blacks (even if it were happening) is a redundant excuse for poor grades among black students.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by jbmitch
Sky,
your smarter than the average bear,,
Do the demographics,,male adult wager earners,,educational level then by ethnic background.
My pointis how is it we owe them more than what is already being done.



Im not saying we owe them a thing. I belileve the "help" they are getting puts them down.

In fact, since hundreds of years the white man has been projecting his idea of a good society, his idea of education, his idea of what blacks are supposed to be, do, have on the black race.

They need to be left the ****ck alone by which they will either self-destroy or gain self-responsibility and their own cultural identity.

Those blacks who stress their own cultural identity are often madly succesful.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Those blacks who stress their own cultural identity are often madly succesful.

YES! And blacks have such a strong, vibrant, ancient culture - something to be hugely proud of. And yet so many cling to artificial, empty cultures. But then whites can't really talk. Most of us have sent our true ancestral culture to hell in a hand basket.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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Nicely put.

There is a school of thought that blames this on the PC culture, but I'm not so sure.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:21 AM
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A long time ago I provided language training.

When I´d be training whites I´d have them take new vocabulary and use them in their own creative context. When I´d have chinese I´d have them repeat after me and imitate me. When I´d have blacks I´d bring in music and song lyrics.

There was no difference in achievement between these three levels whatsoever.

What was different was the approach.

Unfortunately our school systems dont have the budget to act in a more individualized way.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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Yes PC-culture is all about suppression of racist emotions. But those who dont have any racist emotions in the first place dont require PC-culture...and are dumbed down by it.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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The UK is a curious cultural mix in many respects amongst the black communities.

There are those who have various african cultural identity, and then those who have various west indian cultural identity, predominantly jamaican - and the two are miles apart in many respects.

I'd really like to know which cultural identity this report is aimed at, although I'm having difficulty finding out.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
Anyway, wouldn't that further prove the point? I mean, if there's more racial tension between whites and Asians than there is between whites and blacks, and yet Asians are still outperforming whites in school, then racism against blacks (even if it were happening) is a redundant excuse for poor grades among black students.


There is no excuse for poor grades, but I think your ignoring the published facts "black girls are getting better grades than white boys" we all know there is allot of negative trends in the current culture of some young blacks, its simply not cool to be smart and well spoken if so you are trying to be white or gain acceptance which many blacks hate. Its a viscous circle but one I have no doubts will straighten itself out in next 600 years, right off to the shops wonder if I come across any jealousy to and from, my £3000 dedacciai racing bike can raise many eyebrows.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by budski
There is a school of thought that blames this on the PC culture

Yes, and I subscribe to it. It is becoming a widely regarded fact that the Brits... nay, the ENGLISH... are afraid to proclaim pride in their culture. The Scottish, Irish and Welsh will proudly fly their flags and engage in strong Patriotic sentiment, whilst the English are afraid to hurt the feelings of the several-million immigrants we play host to. Extend this globally and you'll find pretty much every country in the world shows more pride in their country than the English do... and yes, it's all down to political correctness. I and a growing number have had enough of it.

This is Britain goddammit. We have one of the richest, most ancient cultures in the world and it's all gonna be lost in a tide of political correctness, like tears in the rain (not difficult to guess what my favourite film is eh
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