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Vitamin pills 'increase risk of early death'

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posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 09:28 AM
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Seems like more and more the information being 'promoted' by research is geared towards looking at each individual as a 'cookie cutter' patient. Many 'recommended' allowances are propagated..., and almost all real-life experiences discredited their notion of 'everyone should take at least...' or 'no more than'...

A friend of mine was one of those 'I take this and the other substance' and used the fact that he suffered from 'minimal' ailments (colds, etc.) to 'never miss work.'

But I could never get him to be sensitive to the fact that his 'minor sniffles' are one thing, but that same - low level infection - that allowed him to to 'never miss work' infected several others who's immune systems seemed not to be so robust. His 'good health' lead to others being sick from exposure to his 'no big deal' sniffles. They DID have to miss work (and probably infected those at home or others through the 'six-degrees of separation' principle.

Not everyone has the same resilience or resistance and those supplements notwithstanding, did not do much for others in his vicinity.

Also, I was under the impression that there was a very big difference between naturally occurring vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients than those brewed up - 'synthesized' versions (petro-vitamins). The only reason they are synthesized is so the patented process of doing so protects the profit model. Now that it becomes clearer and clearer that synthetics just aren't up to snuff they want to vilify ALL vitamins..., go figure.




posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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I just saw this on the Fox news site:


CDC: More Than 180 Sickened in 10 States From 'Toxic' Vitamins
Health officials are investigating more than 180 reports of illness in people who took dietary supplements containing toxic levels of the mineral selenium.

Last month, federal officials warned consumers about harmful doses of selenium _ a mineral considered healthful in small amounts — in plastic bottles of liquid Total Body Formula and Total Body Mega Formula.

The manufacturer recalled the product March 27, but reports of 184 illnesses indicate many people are still taking it, health officials said.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration found up to 200 times the label level of selenium in the products. The agency also found 17 times the label level of chromium but has not yet concluded if those levels are toxic.
www.foxnews.com...

I think many are doing more harm than good by jumping on th vitamin bandwagon.



posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63
I just saw this on the Fox news site:


CDC: More Than 180 Sickened in 10 States From 'Toxic' Vitamins
Health officials are investigating more than 180 reports of illness in people who took dietary supplements containing toxic levels of the mineral selenium.

Last month, federal officials warned consumers about harmful doses of selenium _ a mineral considered healthful in small amounts — in plastic bottles of liquid Total Body Formula and Total Body Mega Formula.

The manufacturer recalled the product March 27, but reports of 184 illnesses indicate many people are still taking it, health officials said.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration found up to 200 times the label level of selenium in the products. The agency also found 17 times the label level of chromium but has not yet concluded if those levels are toxic.
www.foxnews.com...

I think many are doing more harm than good by jumping on th vitamin bandwagon.





184 ill?

what about the thousands who die from illness because they don't get the required vitamins/minerals ?
booohaahaaah...


WHAT ABOUT THE 3000 KILLED BY BATH TUBS?

or the 20000 killed by alcohol....

or what about the 240040 KILLED by FDA APPOVED prescription drugs EVERY YEAR?

or are YOU totally IGNORANT OF THAT BECAUSE FOX NEW DON'T REPORT IT AS THEY GET PAID TO ADVERTISE SAID DRUGS....




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posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by esecallum
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or what about the 240040 KILLED by FDA APPOVED prescription drugs EVERY YEAR?

or are YOU totally IGNORANT OF THAT BECAUSE FOX NEW DON'T REPORT IT AS THEY GET PAID TO ADVERTISE SAID DRUGS....
[edit on 21-4-2008 by esecallum]


I didn't mean for you to get your panties in a bunch over the news report I referred to. You do know that when you use all caps it is common for others to interpret that as yelling or screaming? Its considered rude.

But thats ok. I am going to assume that you were just having a bad day.

Whether one takes vitamins is of course a personal decision. There is the real possibility that some are causing more damage than good by their overuse. Since the experts can't even agree over this issue it would, in my opinion, be foolish to be dogmatic about this issue.

There is no reason that a calm and logical discussion of the matter cannot be held without resorting to childish displays of emotion.

Are you a regular user of Selenium supplements? Is that why you seem so passionate about this issue?



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Sparky63





There is the real possibility that some are causing more damage than good by their overuse. Since the experts can't even agree over this issue it would, in my opinion, be foolish to be dogmatic about this issue.



You are not very bright are you...you mistakenly believe that only "other people"fall ill....


more damage then good?

what does that mean?

eh?

simple question for you.

how many were killed last year by vitamins?

how many killed by FDA drugs?

tell us.

i kept the post short so you cannot evade the question.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by esecallum

You are not very bright are you..

Opinions vary. Lets not resort to personal attacks, it really causes people to question ones integrity and is generally counterproductive in attempting to having a intelligent discussion. Thanks friend.




.you mistakenly believe that only "other people"fall ill....


Sorry, I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to here. If you are referrring to my first post in this thread where I mentioned that I have never been sick enough to miss work, I believe I also mentioned that I had gone to work feeling "under the weather".

What exactly did you mean when you referred to "other people"? I dont think I used that expression in any of my posts.


more damage then good?

what does that mean?


Consider this please:

Over half of US adults use multivitamins, mostly the pretty healthy people who also eat nutrient-fortified foods. Yet there's little evidence that most of the pills do any good -- and concern that some people may even get a risky vitamin overload, advisers to the government said Wednesday.

Worried about bottles that promise 53 times the recommended daily consumption of certain nutrients, specialists convened by the National Institutes of Health called Wednesday for strengthened federal oversight of the $23 billion dietary supplement industry -- especially efforts to pin down side effects.

For the average healthy American, there's simply not enough evidence to tell if taking vitamins is a good or bad idea, said Dr. J. Michael McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review.

health.dailynewscentral.com...

Or this:

Vitamin overuse tied to men's cancer risk
Effect is seen in aggressive forms
By Julie Steenhuysen, Reuters | May 16, 2007

CHICAGO -- Men who pop too many vitamins in the hope of improving their health may in fact be raising their risk of the deadliest forms of prostate cancer, especially men with a family history of the disease, researchers said yesterday.

Researchers at the National Cancer Institute found that men who exceeded the recommended dose -- taking more than seven multivitamins a week -- increased the risk of advanced cancer by about 30 percent

www.boston.com...

or perhaps this:

Although we all know that taking vitamins is a good way to stay healthy and ward off illness, in some cases, vitamins and dietary supplements can be detrimental to our health. For example, if a person overuses vitamins by taking too many dietary supplements, his body will be strained as it tries to filter out the excess.

Eventually, if vitamin overuse continues for long periods of time, an individual can suffer from serious health problems, including cirrhosis and reproductive problems.

www.multivitamins.com...



how many were killed last year by vitamins?


Good Question. I'm not aware of any conclusive studies. I would welcome your links to any, if you have them.



how many killed by FDA drugs?
tell us.


What does that have to do with the possible danger of misusing or overuse of vitamins? You might as well have asked my how many people died as a result of skydiving or trying to light their furnaces.

This thread is about the possibility of Vitamins increasing the risk of early death. IF you want to start a different thread about the drugs & medications approved by the FDA I would be glad to comment. However, I am not in the habit of compiling studies or death statistics....

So far I have lived a healthy life without taking vitamins or any FDA approved drugs. Like I said earlier I think Genetics has a lot to do with it.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 09:27 AM
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Since more and more people are becoming Vitamin nuts...and aren't getting sick...This would make sense for Big Pharmacy companies to say "Stop taking vitamins they are bad for you"- the less people get sick, the less money the corporations get...It's all propaganda...They want you to get sick...

If Vitamins A,C,E and etc. all are deadly...then why are they in vegetables? So dare I say then that would make vegetables bad for you???

Haha...you'd have to be a real idiot to believe anything the government tells you these days...

Vitamins bad for you???


Ridiculous...This won't stop me from taking a multi-vitamin everyday...



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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I agree that normal use of vitamins will probably do no harm, especially if one has poor nutrition. Overuse though can cause some problems.

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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63



So far I have lived a healthy life without taking vitamins...



So you have the vitamins removed from the food before eating?



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:34 PM
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My friend, I think you are under the delusion that I am against the use of vitamin supplemets.

Nothing could be further from the truth. For many people whose diet does not provide the proper nutritional needs, vitamin supplements would no doubt be the course of wisdom.

I do feel that those who eat right and get enough exercise do not need vitamin supplements.

I don't have a dog in this fight. Take all the vitamins you want. Like I said in a previous post. It's a personal decision, but in order for people to make informed decisions they need to be aware of the benefits as well as danger of overuse.

Thanks for your sharing your views on the matter.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by esecallum

WHO ARE THESE ADVISERS? WHO?

WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES?

WHICH PANEL ARE THEY SITTING ON?

WHO EMPLOYS THEM?


If you had taken the time to actually read the article before you commented on it you would have seen that it referred to


specialists convened by the National Institutes of Health..


more specifically the article identified;

Dr. J. Michael McGinnis of the Institute of Medicine, who led the NIH panel's review..... Cornell University nutritionist Patsy Brannon....panelist William Vaughan of Consumer's Union ....& Council for Responsible Nutrition president Steven Mister.


I hope that helps.



are you american?


Are you? not that it really matters.



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posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 04:29 AM
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And you forgot to mention what was their evidence and what their reasonings was for this.


what fundamental facts did they use?

how much money were they paid and by whom.

what were their instructions.


and what their agenda is.and from whom.

how much stock do they hold in pharmacuetical compnies.

what their age is.


it is well known that older people are stuck in a mental rut and cannot change their mindset due to the latest research.



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