Are the Clintons sacrificing themselves...?, page 1


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Topic started on 16-4-2008 @ 12:18 AM by may_be_true
In other words, could this drawn out Democratic campaign be the party's grand strategy to guarantee the Obama presidency by venting him out and allowing him to shine with his high-ground eloquence. In the meantime, creating lots of Democratic noise in traditionally red states, which, otherwise, would have been difficult for a sole candidate. And by being constantly in the news, preventing McCain from entering the election limelight.

I am inclined to believe that the party has not really planned it so from the start, but recognized early on the benefits of the intense Clinton-Obama race as beneficial to their cause and encouraged Hillary to stay on, as Rush Limbaugh clumsily and hatefully put it, "to bloody up Obama". Both Clintons have done a masterful, if self damaging job at that, and the bloodied up Obama has so far risen to every challenge with the level of skill, intelligence and wisdom that every president should possess. Through the efforts of the old dog Clinton and almost brilliant execution of his wife and comrade, the "hope and change, yes we can" boy scout of 2007 is now a bloodied up warrior to not only guarantee a Democratic White House, but also guarantee the momentum needed for the trongest start possible with clear majority in both houses for years to come. Anything less might simply not be enough to reverse the damage done in the past 8 years, balancing out the supreme court, dealing with social issues, infrastructure, education, health care, etc.


reply posted on 16-4-2008 @ 06:53 AM by may_be_true
reply to post by Scalamander




No, I really don't... Up until relatively recently, it certainly seemed that way. But lately, I am beginning to see how unelectable McCain is. The Clintons' under the belt fight simply does not make sense, since she is loosing all credibility for a possible run for president in 2012.



reply posted on 16-4-2008 @ 07:14 AM by pavlovsdog
I still do not see any evidence that the Clintons are trying to 'ehlp' Obama get to the White House. I'm quite convinced that the tenacity of H Clinton is driving deep derisive wedges in the Democratic party.

The 3 way campaign that we currently have is interesting if you look at it and consider the 'traditional' right vs left, rep vs dem match up. John McCain is not a typical Republican. Socially he learns more toward the center than any of his historical predecessors, this is shown by his voting record - his campaign tries to paint him in a different light. HC is not a typical Democrat, she atually comes down much closer to the NeoCon party line. Obama does however fall under the historical ideas of a Democrat.

So we have three candidates, two who fall outside typical party lines. I postulate that todays supporter of HC will be much more likely to cross over and vote for McCain when it comes November as the two candidate4s are cut from a similar cloth. This is supported by the devisive politics being played on the campaign trail currently. There is a great distaste among the HC supporters for Obama. When Obama gets the nomination, as math indicates, many HC supporters will be too bitter to get in line behind Obama in party unity. Even if only 20% of her supporters cross into the McCain camp it will make the November election much less of the shoe in for Obama that it should be.

Therefore, I present that HC is remaining in the race to fragment the Dem party, as well as independent voters come Nov. This only possible result of this is to bolster McCain. HC is damaging the Dem party.
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