Originally posted by Master_Wii
I've held hope that Americans will stand up to the injustice perputrated by our government. This is a start. We need to bring the guilty parties to
Why stop with only Bush & Cheney?
Why not include every Congressman/woman who actually voted "aye" on the Patriot Act before they even read it? After all (in the First Amendment of
the Bill of Rights), no group or individual acting in the capacity of either State or Federal government can make (or enforce) "any law abridging"
the Rights of the People...Seems to me (& pretty much everybody else) that the Patriot Act is nothing less than a 324-page document that violates
every Civil Right on the books! By that very same Amendment, it also renders the Patriot Act automatically null & void as if it had never existed! The
fact that it even passed through legislation automatically condems all those who voted in favor of it to commiting a felony offense against the
Supreme Law of the Land
--ie: The Constitution itself.
And when you consider that it's not only the President that's sworn/affirmed to uphold & act in pursuance of the Constitution
Article 2, Section
1, Clause 9
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability,
preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
But every person acting within the capacity of both Federal & State levels of government must do so as well, according to
Article 6, Clause 3
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of
the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;...
Please note that this Constitutional clause in no way diferentiates between elected
officials or appointed
Please note that the Framers of the Constitution specifically requires
this oath/affirmation simply to make certain that the terms & conditions
within the Constitution become legally binding
Heck, why even stop there? Anyone & everyone in government (all levels) can simply be asked, "Do you support the United States of America as a
Democracy?" Anyone who answers "yes" can be held legally accountable for breeching their oath of office, simply because of
Article 4, Section
4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government...
There's no real need to refer to any current events or official actions to come up with specific charges...The Consitution itself already damns all
those who've exceeded their authority in any way, shape or form and is even backed up once again in:
Article 2, Section 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of,
Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Of course, with all of the indictments that'll be flying through the air, it might prove a bit difficult to push any other specific charges...Pretty
much the entire roster of all three branchs of the Federal & State governments would need to be replaced in order to to accomplish any of this in the
Originally posted by ianr5741
If you don't want impeachment, then you don't want the truth to be known, because that's all it finds out. It isn't punishment. That would be
decided later, if the parties are found to be in violation of the law.
True enough...Impeachment isn't punishment (other than the loss of position & public reaction incurred due to Impeachment). However, indictment &
trial can always be held afterwards, as per
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor,
Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and
Punishment, according to Law.
Originally posted by Master_Wii
...and democracy is dead.
The USA should never have been a Democracy in the first place...Check out the reference to Article 4, Section 4 up above.
The Founding Fathers abhorred Democracy in much the same way as the USA feared Communism during the Cold War Era...They were already aware that a
Democracy will lead to tyranny (or facism) simply through the efforts of anyone possessing the charisma to sway public opinion (& voting) any way they
desire; witness the fall of Classical Greek Democracy (It was already going downhill before the invasions) & (in more modern times) Nazi Germany. The
Founding Fathers were aware of the fact that, in a Democracy, it only takes 51% of the votes to remove the Rights of the other 49% of the
Originally posted by DaleGribble
get over it. its not gonna happen. and ill bet on that..
I'd be more willing to bet on the possibility that Bush will declare Martial Law & suspend the elections, just so he can stay in Office. Considering
that Bush's disapproval
rating is way over 50% & there's about 300 million Citizens in this country, that's a lot
people who can bring guns to the Capitol (And if they don't have guns, People will improvise; Note the development of martial arts weapons in China
was due to the fact that the government forbade weapons to the People so they used farming tools instead). And it would also be a pretty safe bet that
most of the State Militias would also get into the mix...
And Bush has been kind enough to get the most of the Military out of the country. Even if he hadn't done that, the entire US Armed Forces represents
only about 2% or 3% of the Citizen population.
Originally posted by dgtempe
Nothing an "attack" wont fix. Remember that.
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
...attempting a movement for justice, instead of what the rest of america is doing---Just throwing their hands in the air and giving up out of
I'd call this a bit of exaggeration, but not by too much. The People have already come pretty close to exhausting every Constitutionally-approved
method of bringing the government back into line (Check out the info at We The People
for what peaceful methods have been taken), which means there's little else left but violence. The Constitution itself recognizes
that violence should be the last resort
& I hope it doesn't go that far, but the indications I've seen are getting very close to it. The
Founding Fathers were building upon the methods of implementation of the Magna Carta when they made certain to include the 2nd Amendment in the Bill
I must point out that the website link mentioned is
a political activist site, but I'm not asking anyone to join or support them...I'm merely
mentioning them as a source of information. Their primary
stated purpose is to educate the public about the Constitutional Republic that the
USA should be & inform the public of the atrocities being commited against the USA by its own government; They are strictly
far as "republican or democrat" goes. If they represent any party at all, it would be Constitutionalist...But since the Constitution is framed as
the Supreme Law of the Land, they're more concerned with using the Law against those who violate it than to use it for strictly political
Originally posted by Witness2008
There are rumors floating about Obama if president would have his A.G investigate the Bush administration for war crimes. Guess who I'm voting
Well, considering that Bully Boy Bush & his Corporate Crony Gang have been committing so many felony crimes
against the Constitution (despite
all of their sworn oaths to obey it), and also considering that the Patriot Act mentions Constitutionalists as one of the "groups" labeled as
"potential terrorists", please forgive me for reserving my vote to the one candidate (in any party) who has shown a consistently impeccable record
of living up to his Constitutional Oath--Ron Paul. Even if he doesn't make it past the Primaries, I'll just use a "write-in" vote.
BTW, if any voting Americans are concerned about the controversies surrounding the use of "paperless voting machines," simply request for an
Absentee Ballot...That'll bypass the whole problem! Just make sure you get it in time so that you can get it mailed in before the elections are
Originally posted by Gramafaloon
Fer cryin' out loud people, we get video of UFO-OVNI's on this sight! Can't we get some incriminating dirt on the likes of Herr Cheney or Comandant
Well, I think I've already covered a few of their crimes which would supply enough dirt to bury them deeper than Pompei, simply by looking at the
Constitution & backed by public record for evidence...Any other dirt that can be dug up would just be "icing on the cake" after what I've already
mentioned. I've found a lot
of dirt simply by looking through the website I linked to, up above. The beauty of it is...It's all clean
in that it's all a matter of public record already!