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98% Of Historians Call Bush Presidency A Failure

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posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 04:53 PM
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Ok, for the last time.
Waterboarding is torture. Torture is illegal.




posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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It's also a proven fact that 98% of historians are liberal academic wienies.

They are no longer satisfied with re-writing history and robbing our youth of their proud heritage- now they think they're also experts in what's happening right now.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to post by logictruth
 



Know im not im opening my mind........ I'm looking at todays world, and its a dire state. Have you been outside of the USA recently????

Your clouded in ignorance.



trust me im very aware of the world outside the US.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:00 PM
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please i didnt say that. go back and reread.

well only time will tell who is right and who is wrong. i just hope your ready to face what your going to create. thanks to you guys obama has a chance to get elected and screw this country up.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:05 PM
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Logictruth Im going to have to make a judgement becuase the simple reason

You been judging everyone on this formum of late.


You are ignorant, brainwashed, undiplomatic, narrowminded and IN DENIAL.

I'm appalled at your lack of baisc intellegence to know that the Bush Administration just sets of bombs in countrys. Thats what I'll remember Bush for dropping Bombs for peace. My ass hes striving for peace.

I'll give you evidence too OPEN YOUR EYES.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by mind is the universe
Logictruth Im going to have to make a judgement becuase the simple reason

You been judging everyone on this formum of late.


You are ignorant, brainwashed, undiplomatic, narrowminded and IN DENIAL.

I'm appalled at your lack of baisc intellegence to know that the Bush Administration just sets of bombs in countrys. Thats what I'll remember Bush for dropping Bombs for peace. My ass hes striving for peace.

I'll give you evidence too OPEN YOUR EYES.


im not judging
ur dumb just stfu



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Well I'm not in the USA, and I'm from the outside world you seem to know much about and I'm ignorant judging from you.

I wonder what that reallys says about you??

Since your "aware" of outside of the world. You must be the only one whos aware so??

What are you, what are you doing speaking of such absurd *trophy giving bush* This line alone, means your are not even aware of the your own behaviour.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Where has this 1 million Iraqis dead due to the war figure suddenly appeared from? That is at least 10 times the most scathing estimate I've recently seen and that was from a site firmly against the war. You weaken your argument when you either invent numbers or simply use someone else's inflated, invented numbers happily because they fit whatever argument you're trying to make.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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Judging and giving personal abuse


Sort it out please, and behave like a normal human being.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:17 PM
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reply to post by burdman30ott6
 


Oh for heaven sakes what difference should it take for you to get it

1,000,012

456,000

334,00

Or 10

They are people just like you and I...



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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Ok man, now youre just acting like a third grader. Quit calling names, and quit being childish. If you can't do those simple things, then please, go elsewhere.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Wow, that was just swell... allow me to explain what difference it makes with some numbers of my own.

2- the number of children I have. They are my #1 priority, above all else. Their safety and well being matter above anyone elses, meaning if the entire rest of the world needed to die to keep them safe, so be it.

1- the number of wives I have. She's priority #1a, see above.

7- the number of remaining relatives aside from them that I have. Also see above.

approximately 300 million- the rough population of America. Their lives, while not as important to me as my family's, certainly come well before the next number...

Approximately 6.5 billion- the rest of the world. I'll fight for their lives, but not at the expense of my life or Americans lives. (one area in which I do disagree with the president is on how he's attempted to fight a humanitarian war and, as a result, placed our troops in needless danger. We could have accomplished elimination of Hussein through non-troop combat via long range attacks and actual shock and awe, but Bush was too concerned with being humane.)

I understand that this one is gonna make me some enemies, but I honestly don't care. I asked about the artificially inflated number of Iraqi deaths purely because this 1 million dead imaginary figure is designed to elicit a sympathetic response from the average American. I'm far, far more moved by the 4,030 some American soldier deaths there than I am the whatever the number Iraqi deaths.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:37 PM
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Staying out of the partisanship of this discussion, one of the war crimes this administration is pursuing is not releasing lists of civilian causalities. According to the Geneva conventions it is the aggressor nations job to release this information, something being heavily suppressed by the Bush regime. We should no FOR SURE how many have died, but do to this suppression we do not. This is the reason estimates are all over the board. People try and piece it tighter out of new clippings and the like, but in a countries with as much violence as it has had, not nearly everything is reported. No one will ever know for sure. I think this is the worst crime against humanity committed in this war, because at least torture (while I completely disagree) can be said to be "trying to help". There is no way covering up how many civilians you have killed or directly caused the deaths of is helping anyone but your corrupt regime.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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Let's stop insulting each other personally and just discuss the topic. Thanks much.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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worldnetdaily.com...




Of course, there are many today who believe the Republican Party under the leadership of George W. Bush is solely responsible for the mess in the Middle East. In truth, the groundwork for this miasma was laid during the term of former Democratic President Jimmy Carter. It was all brought about in the name of change and hope – familiar themes being heard today from Democratic front-runners. It was Jimmy Carter who created a firestorm that destabilized our greatest firewall in the Muslim world, the shah of Iran, in favor of a religious fanatic, the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.Carter viewed Khomeini more as a religious holy man in a grass-roots revolution than the founding father of modern terrorism. His advisers concurred: U.N. Ambassador Andrew Young said, "Khomeini will eventually be hailed as a saint." Ambassador to Iran William Sullivan said, "Khomeini is a Gandhi-like figure." Carter adviser James Bill proclaimed that Khomeini was not a mad mujahid, but a man of "impeccable integrity and honesty." As a result, the Carter administration stood by while Iran descended into the chaos of a fanatical Islamic revolution and was stunned when American embassy employees were taken hostage and held for 444 days.Ninety days following Khomeini's declaration of the first day of the "Government of God" on April 1, 1979, President Jimmy Carter inked a top-secret document launching America on the path that in 2001 would lead to the deaths of 2,974 innocent American civilians. It was generally thought that U.S. aid to the Afghanistan Mujahedeen was initiated in 1980 under the Republican administration of Ronald Reagan. It was, however, the directive signed by Carter that favored supporting insurgent propaganda and other psychological operations in Afghanistan; establishing radio contact with the Afghan people through a third country; and providing appropriate support either in funds or non-military supplies. Carter approved another infusion of $30 million in 1980; and in 1981 the amount was raised to $50 million.Carter's ill-advised execution of human rights guidelines and his decision to unseat the Shah ultimately caused the loss of more than 600,000 lives during the Iran/Iraq War. Why? With the departure of the shah, Saddam Hussein saw his opportunity to boldly march into Iran and seize power in that country. Carter's decision to abandon Iran to the Khomeini-implemented rule by the mullahs and ayatollahs was eventually responsible for Iraq's attack on Kuwait and Desert Storm; it spawned the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan, the rise of the Taliban, Hamas and al-Qaida.


Here is the thing that worries me, this is a forum about denying ignorance, yet you will listen to the same media propaganda machine, and,historians,

pffffffft,

Dear lord they are worse yet,



[edit on 053030p://bWednesday2008 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Where has this 1 million Iraqis dead due to the war figure suddenly appeared from?


ORB survey of Iraq War casualties (wikipedia):

On Friday, September 14, 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far, outnumbering even the death toll of the recent Rwandan genocide.


The document on ORB's website can be found here.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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What happened to all the Bush lovers on this forum? There used to be tons, and very outspoken they were too. My God, that have all vanished. What a surprise.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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We are here just not debating. Speaking for myself, I am not a total Bush lover, I find some of the things he does not to my liking, though I am sure Barack and Hilliary are perfect. However, I would venture most supporters of any of Bush's policies have given up trying to reason with the majority of the "Bush Haters". Nothing we say would ever sway your opinion, so why even try to carry on a debate? Just the way I feel. I just kind of look at the comments by those types and just shrug.

You enjoy still hating Bush after Mid January ( I know you are hoping for marital law but that's not going to happen), maybe then you can start McCain bashing. LOL.

Remember, you always have to have someone to blame for the way things are.



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by pavil
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Remember, you always have to have someone to blame for the way things are.


Thats why we want our power back.

So we wont have to blame Bush for the havok hes caused this world or any other lunatic for that matter.

remember that!!!!!!



posted on Apr, 16 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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humans are people. killing people is wrong whethers its 10 or 10,000
this argument is silly.

Another thread post link that they were 1.2million deaths.



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