The Reverse-Conspiracy-Theory, page 4

Hmm... I will read the rest of the thread later, but right now I don't want to lose ideas I got while reading the opening post...

With this thread, you have crossed the border of the black-white make-believe world, and stepped into a very, very grey zone of reality. There are so many intents out there, competing over one thing or another, that it's just impossible to put a sticker on them and label them all as Illuminati, or New Agers, or NeoCons or whatever. While most of them just follow the path set out for them by someone else, some are not what they appear to be (on both sides of (un)believeability).

I will try to provide my pros and cons to this little exercise in (il)logic.

* "The Illuminati" are "the enlightened ones" - forces of progress, goodwill and enlightenment.

You've hit the nail on the head with this one. That's exactly what I have found Illuminati "believe". Here is just one example.

"Around the edges of the capstone are written more words repeated in the four "dead" languages of Sanskrit, Babylonian Cuneiform, Egyptian Hieroglyphics and Classical Greek. They translate: "Let These Be Guidestones To An Age Of Reason."

Source

The phrase "Age of Reason", along with accompanying phrase "In Harmony with Nature" can often be found with Illuminati-related monuments and texts.
(The Georgia Guidestones)

It may sound all nice and cozy, until you learn what they are actually talking about (but not even the top ones I've read about truly understand).

Since personal experience is the only real knowledge there is, I can only speak from personal experience. I've said that countless times before, and here is one example:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The following ("speculation", some may call it) is completely based on my personal experience (the link to the actual experience is further down that page):
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now that we've established some "facts" (which are facts only for me personally; others will have to put some effort of their own into seeing the world as it is), we can speculate.

Since this world is one giant Pyramid Scheme ("Pyramid Scheme" on Wikipedia, Economics side of reality), there is a hierachy of power out there. Humanity is just one itsy-bitsy-tiny, almost completely unimportant part of this world, and thus - that scheme.

This much is Illuminati knowledge as well. So, when they speak of "Harmony with Nature", they are actually saying this:

"You are on your level of the pyramid. If you are low, then you can either stay there (by your own will), or you can struggle and climb up the ladder [this is the "competition" part of modern western society]. If you choose to stay down there (and we're going to do our best to keep you down), it is your fault, and yours only. You weren't strong enough, therefore you deserve what you get. It is a natural condition for us to rule over you (since we are stronger than you)."

Of course, they would never say it so openly and in so many words, but that is the nature of "competition" inside Illuminati pyramidal structure as well. They don't forgive their own kind, so why should they forgive anyone else?

Naturally, there are currents and currents within Illuminati movement that join forces to accomplish one goal or another, even occasionally taking moves against each other. But the overall scheme always stays intact. It is The Rule, and anyone who goes against The Rule is dealt with accordingly (well, they try that at least, but sometimes they hit a brick wall themselves).

What's so progressive about all this? "Competition", that's what is. Science is the tool, and competition is the rule of progress. That basically sums it up.

* The opponents of "the illuminati" are the forces of death, bigotry, stupidity, oppression, suppresion.

A very local and reasonable stand.

Illuminati came to real power with science on their side. Religion really had no chance in those times the modern science began to appear. Some claim that scientific path was indicated to Illuminati by "higher powers" as a road to power (and liberation from "religious blindness"). I have no direct knowledge of that, but by my own experiences, I can say that certainly sounds very probable.

Thus, "the forces of stupidity, oppression, etc." are automatically linked to religion, even today, 200 years after. What Illuminati didn't understand then, and still don't understand now (though they have a long, long history behind them to learn from, going back to ancient cults and occults), is that it's all about control.

Religion was once used as a very effective form of control... but, alas, it's server its purpose and fell to science... which became a new religion of "The Age of Reason".

A funny paradox, isn't it? Science as new religion... But it is with those who control. Scientists are seen as merely "inellectual cannon fodder" for advancing this new religion. And just like previous religion, the science will try to take control over people (that has been in the making for quite some time now).

And after the science... well, that's one interesting question. Illuminati do speak of age after the science you know. It's commonly known as "New Age", or "Harmony with Nature", and all those sugar-coated stuff they like to sell to people. In those future times, the science will no longer be the knowledge fit for the masses, but scientific method will be used to control those masses.

Well, that's the plan anyway, but as they say in the military:
"Every plan is a good plan... until you try to put it into practice".

* The "New World Order" will not be a totalitarian surveillance state but a "New Age" of beauty, freedom, diversity, self-determination, peace and prosperity.

Ah, I see I've already discussed that one.

I may have something more to add, though... "Love & Light" (tm), just a selling point, or something more?

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To conlude... I don't believe in Illuminati benevolence, simply because I can see intent behind their actions. If they ever believed in benevolence themselves, those days are long gone.