posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 12:57 PM
I like your ideas and theories OP and it touches on something I've been thinking about after reading a lot of socialist and nihilist philosophies.
Perhaps the "Illuminati" or whatever they wish to call themselves are in fact acting in the best interest of the human species as a whole but I
don't believe they're acting in the good of the individiual.
Take, for instance, the reduction of world population to about 10% of the current population. When I truly thought about it, pondered it free of
outside thought, I realized it might be an ideal, a vertibale utopia for both man and nature. Resources would be easier to come by and more effort
and resources could be directed to scientific advancement. Health would improve, health care would be universal, economics would never fail, the list
truly goes on. However, there is the small issue of getting that 90% population reduction to happen.
I think this is the fundamental issue between our perception of good and evil. There is a praradox of sorts that exists due to the inherant
intangability of the term "evil". It would seem logically conclusive that one may practice "evil" as a means to attain "good". For instance,
if someone decided to commit armed robbery on multiple occasions he would be deemed a criminal yet if he took his loot and spread it among the
improverished single mothers of his neighborhood he would be branded as doing "good".
I think the main flaw in your argument would be the fact that "good" and "evil" are entirely subjective and not accountable to any exterior
objective deffinition. In other words, "evil" is just what you as a person deem to be evil based upon your own beliefs of what is "good". It is
your beliefs and your position in the world that makes you deem one thing good and one thing evil.
When we are talking about concepts such as "The Illuminati" and "NWO" we have to keep in mind the subjective relativity of "good" and "evil".
Perhaps those that are illuminated do not believe they are doing wrong and are in fact working for the ultimate survival of humanity as a species in a
multi-planet or galactic wide future. However, to acheive this ultimate utopia certain sacrifices must be made, people have to die, buildings must be
destroyed and old concepts of thought and philosophy must be abandonned. Much like when a child recieves a shot from the doctor, we must do harm to
the child in order to protect his or her future even if the child itself is incapable of understanding our need to cause him pain.
I think this is where the perception of the "Illuminati" as "evil" comes from. It is the fact that as children we can't see the bigger picture,
we can't understand why there must be pain and suffering even if we want that same utopia they're offering. Take for instance the rebellous
southern states during the American Civil War, they viewed the northern act of withdrawing slavery from their economy as evil and wrong yet the
northern states felt the same in reverse in regards to southern slavery. Take also the Nazis, who believed they were doing good and felt it was their
duty to eliminate all genetically inferior peoples yet we don't have to look far to find an account of how evil the Nazis were.
This fact works in the microcosm as well. Any outside force that we are powerless to stop and that we deem to be acting against our best interest is
deemed "evil" in differing degrees. The drug dealers on the street are "evil" but not as "evil" as the rapist who in turn is not as "evil" as
the serial killer. In fact, I would venture to guess that it is easier to find a commonality of opinion when labeling things "evil" than if we were
labeling things "good". There are many regional differences within America alone let alone the regional, religious, political, and philosophical
differences throughout the world. When these differences are all taken into account it seems quite obvious that there is no way we can concretely
determin what is in fact "evil" and what is in fact "good".
I perosnally believe the understanding of the inherent non-existance of such terms and ideas as "good" and "evil" is one major part of what we
would deem "Illumination". It is the understanding of the whole true picture, not the microcosmic but the macrocosmic, it is the considering of
every aspect even in decisions that seem to effect only a small part. I believe they know that most people are unwilling and incapable of abandonning
all the belief structures and political theories they've worked so hard to use as a foundation of their own perception of the self. Most people are
unwilling to abandon the concept of self and take up the concept of true communitiy and commonaltiy of purpose. Most people are incapable of living
in true equality with anyone, even those that share the same ideaologies. This is why secrecy is necessitated, because most people will deem as
"evil" that which they do not understand and most people are completely incapable of truly understanding the actions and goals of the
Based upon what I've said so far I would be willing to go so far as to label the majority of human actions and opinions as "evil" since they
contribute almost nothing to the betterment of the world as a whole, lead to no greater understanding of the world or people around us and serve only
to further isolate all of us from both eachother and our true purpose here in existance. Humans will always seek to label, to seperate, to segregate,
to organize, and categorize everything they see and experience which will always lead to further inability to live a connected, complete, whole
existance with the planet and the people around us and will almost certainly sentence us to obliteration in the face of such problems as the
inevitable neccesity to leave this planet and become citizens of a connected universe. I beleive the first step to illumination is the rejection of
concepts such as "good" and "evil", religion, politics, moraltiy, societal norms and groupthink. The path to true illumination is walked alone in
darkness until one can truly find one's own path to illumination where you will realize your true purpose for existence and you will see the actions
of the world with new vision and understand them more fully than you could have hoped for before. Only in darkness can one find true illumination.