'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

reply to post by tomfrusso

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Ummm..... I think you only see one side of the coin. There are black people and plenty of them doing these things. This is the same thing as when muslims are against terrorists, but people don't want to see it, or don't listen, because it's never in the main news, which always only shows you bad things.

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The problem here is "THE MAN" is always equated to a race. A whole race. My people came here on a boat and never owned a slave, didnt give 2 craps what your color was, and never blamed anyone for their problems. (even if people didnt like them when they came over) Its not a race of people, it just people, plain and simple.

You can maybe make an argument that the record companies took the music that came out of Compton (Eazy-E , Ice Cube cant remember who else was in NWA) and exploited it. But they did not create it. But they did this NOT because they were "THE MAN" but because they were greedy Music execs, and if Ms Keys did a little research she would find out, there were a lot of black people involved in promoting it for money. (The same people that pay her friggen salary)

This is why what she says is disgusting. Because she takes the struggle of a people and instead of coming up with real world solutions, I mean she has the money, the stage she could actually help. She takes the "Blame it on the man" route, I know she has that seventies thing going but thats is very retro lol.

Next thing you know she will be calling everyone turkeys, and Jive Suckas.

The White race keeping the black man down is a joke and further pushing of that agenda only hurts the cause, because it gives a reason to hate, for violence and an excuse etc. There is racism in this world no doubt about it, and the majority of the racism dealt out in the US in the sixties was White on Black, but it was not an entire race of people who try to keep another down. Maybe some in power did, but thats not a race of people, thats just people who happen to be white.

If you want to help your race (and I mean all of them you freaking hypocrite, lets hear you speak out on the issues of the Irish, or Scottish) Run clinics on education, put money into the inner city parks, rally for more police support in those areas, DO SOMETHING!!!, not just sit with your AK-47 necklace, and say i am now part of the black panthers, and I will blame the white man for the worlds problems. (PS I would love to know what problems the white man has caused her)

Shut up, sing your music, you have no idea what you are talking about and are only hurting things.

Grrrrr

Ms Keys has made a fundamental error in saying that Gangsta rap causes black-on-black violence. She has misidentified cause and effect.

The motifs and rhymes associated with Gangsta rap are based on the violent culture and black on black violence associated with the inner city ghettos.

In short, she has mistakenly assumed a link which is more tenuous than saying that police officers cause violent crime, because there are higher numbers of police officers on duty in high-crime areas.

reply to post by 44soulslayer

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Very good point, this music was made with kids dealing with the black on black violence in their area, so obviously it pre dated the music it self.

This was something a professor of mine spent a good amount of time on in a class I once took. We read a lot of literature on it by scholars, African Americans, and ex-panthers. They did not suggest that white people did this to get black people to kill each other. Just that white people exploit it to make money for their companies, bottom line. We watched a lot of interviews with rappers who said they couldn't sing positive because that is not what people (black and white) want to hear. I really don't think it is done for a race issue, just money. They also explained blues and jazz as expressing yourself, and rap as something people hide behind and do not express themselves, leading to self-destruction of black men and women. I found that part interesting. There is a huge amount of white people young, older, men, and women that listen to rap.

Some will equate this to modern day slavery, the record company/rapper bondage.

reply to post by Cythraul

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All I know is, that I'm sure Ice Cube is offended... and I quote...

" I started this gangsta sh*, and this is the thanks I get?"

I really think it's hilarious for for Alicia keys to assume this was the white mans plan. I mean, listen to Kanye's "Crack Music".

I'm sure the dollars from white suburban youths, spent on tapes and CD's have helped fuel the genre, but that's not a conspiracy.

Ice T should be the first to step up and set her straight on this. He once had a beautiful rhyme that had an overdub of a news commentator that went something like this:

"Violence breaks out at Rap concert, Rap Blamed for violence
Violence breaks out at soccer game, soccer blamed for violence
Violence breaks out at nuclear peace rally, peace blamed for violence

All said rather tounge-in-cheek, but to his point, there was plenty of Gang violence going on in LA long before the birth of Gangsta Rap. Now also, as a long time Gangsta Rap listener, the stuff today is much more tame than the stuff from the 80's and 90's. You see, the stuff back then was never meant to be played on the radio, or even attract any mainstream kind of crowd. So back then it was much more brutal and overt.

With CD sales in the toilet right now, you would think they would start getting outrageous again, but now you got Fifty being interviewed as to who he is voting for president?

Gangsta rap is not a corporate pehnomenon, it comes from the street, and rarely is heard on anything outside a mix tape.

As for the increase in black-on-black crime... we have only the economics to look to for the answers. Shame on anyone who blames it on gangsta rap.

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I challenge anyone to go listen to some Talib Kweli right now, and tell me how this isn't self expression. How is this something to hide behind? How is this not positive?

Seriously, go check out Eardrum by Talib Kweli. This isn't gangsta rap, but is the stuff we are currently getting from the streets of NY. Personally I find it to be one of the best forms of expression yet divised.

I didn't say I agreed as a complete generalization, I was just explaining what people were saying from the research we did. I actually made that point in class. When I was younger I listed to a lot of Tu-Pac, and I think some of his songs were very expressive in a positive way. The point made was at generally comparing jazz/blues which they thought was expressive to true feelings opposed to rap as they explained masked true feelings with a hyper-masculine tough guy image.

Jews own the porn industry, the media industry, the banks, the sports, and most major record labels.

I can say from experince that the music does something to us. I use to go to the club faithfully. I was right in the middle of the crowd, throwing up gang signs, yelling curse words, pushing and shoving. It was a rush.

If you ever get a chance listen to Lil Scrappy - Get on My Level

They would play that song in the club and people would go nuts pushing and shoving. But in all honesty it was just fun. But, then you get those people who you stepped on there shoe or put a mark on their white tee, all hell broke loose.

But, it has nothing to do with the music. I say again, nothing to do with the music. It all had to do with peoples way of life. Most of my people grew up with no father and barely a mother. The streets is what raised them, that is all they know. I can say my values are a little bit more superior than theres, but I will not knock the next guy.

What is different from the country guy who sung, I am proud of the house we built, to the gangsta rap song bling bling. They both are expressing they have moved up and accomplished something that they wanted in life. Whether it be a house or a nice car, what is the difference?

reply to post by skyshow

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Or you can go to ANY place where people are drinking and partying and then get thrown out en masse at 2 AM and see the exact same thing. Seen it at country-western bars, seen it at punk dives, seen it at just random hole in the wall bars.

It's not the music - It's a bunch of drunk people being tossed on their ass "just when things were getting good"

Music is the product, not the cause. If you think that Gangsta Rap makes black people kill each other, then you must also think Pink Floyd makes white people heroin addicts.

look.. I like rap music. I also believe in lots of class-based conspiracies...

but to say that Tupac or Biggie were going to be "great black leaders" is just out of line. They both glorified drugs, sexual promiscuity, violence and materialism. Being a fan of both of their music, I still don't see how anyone in their right mind would look to either of these musicians as "great black leaders."

Trust me, when it comes to conspiracies and hip-hop, this is only scratching the surface. I could type out some crazy conspiracy theories I've come across from rappers over the years.

The real conspiracy is that black youth are being trained to look up to entertainers - musicians, actors, dancers, athletes, etc. However, there seems to be almost no emphasis on black scientists, politicians, doctors, etc. How many people know who George Washington Carver is, compared to say... Jay-Z? Exactly.

reply to post by tomfrusso

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How about white people give all that a try, before coming around and telling other people to give it a go? Your pile stinks too, bud

I am in the music business, and you are correct, except it is not just Rappers its ALL musicians in there first 3 records, so I say again it isnt not a race thing , its a money thing. They want to make money off off you if your black, blue, or magenta. Which is why Keys blaming race is BS and hypocritical.

Its about money, not race

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

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What you talking about, Eminem made me kill my wife!

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reply to post by _Phoenix_

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I know how you feel. I'm still wearing pink tights and teasing my hair because of those Whitesnake sons of bitches. Now if you'll excuse me, Ted Nugent is telling me to go kill some liberals and eat their flesh. Raw.

So what's next? Sir Mix Alot recorded "I like Big Butts" so that all black women will be born with huge a$$es? I'd like to drug test the youg girl, she's gotta be smoking something to come up with that one!

reply to post by Karlhungis

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I'm saying race has little to do with it; it has a significant amount more to with promoting the said music format with back up capital ultimately for (besides the obvious profit motive also part of the equation) political reasons (as in getting a target demographic group who generally votes more liberal devided from within and consumed with a movement that is inheritantly violent, degrades women and gays, promotes drug use/trade, and gross materialism) in getting people so distracted with a sometiems distructive theme that they are thus apathetic and don't show up to vote. I thought my previous statement was pretty clear about this. Careful that you don't see the forest for the trees.

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