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posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
Most people don't realise that Hitler was one of the greatest critics of the bankrupcy of Germany and it being robbed by foreigners.


This is referred to as propaganda. Because Hitler was financed by the very foreigners he was criticizing ... Hitler didn't kill one Jewish banker, he was too busy taking money from them.


Most people don't realise that the Third Reich published dozens of books and pamphlets that exposed the NWO.


This is propaganda. What do you think Hitler was talking about when he said he was talking about the "World Order"?


Most people don't realise that Germany became healthy in just a few years when Hitler became chancellor


Sorry -- I do not call a society built on terrorism and racism and espionage and genocide, that calls for the elimination of Jews and blacks and mentally and physically handicapped people and gypsies and all non-white races ... healthy.


and that he made an end to the robbing of Germany.... which was exactly why the British (NWO) declared war on Hitler.


Why don't you read this thread in its entirety. You might learn something. Hitler is the one who robbed Germany and slaughtered the Germans by sacrificing them in war.

The British are NOT the NWO. You would do better to name which of the British supported Hitler, and which did not.

Hitler declared war on himself because of his pathological and sociopathic murdering of innnocent people. Starting back in his days in 1921 as one of the first members of the Nazi party -- Hitler worked for German General Staff and was supported by them. ADOLF SCHICKELGRUBER was his real name, NOT Hitler. Hitler was his stage name.

I'm afraid you're a victim of propaganda as far as the truth about Adolf Hitler. He was NOT a great man, he was Satan incarnate. As is George Bush. That's why the Bush's supported Hitler, both are satanic.

Here's a video about Bush and the WO-NWO of the Hitler-Bush folks

I agree with the maker of the video about his artistic statement.

Here's proof that Hitler was Satanic: demon shape-shifter Janus-Bifrons-Baphomet & Hitler’s occult roots & Martin Bormann & the Fourth Reich www.abovetopsecret.com...



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posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by counterterrorist
The British are NOT the NWO.


Between 1815 and the 1940s, the British empire was the main power base of the movement currently known as the NWO and their headquarters were located in the City of London. During the 1940s the power base shifted to the US and Israel, although the headquarters remained in the City of London.


Originally posted by counterterrorist
Hitler declared war on himself because of his pathological and sociopathic murdering of innnocent people.


That's black-ops propaganda you're buying into if you believe that.


Originally posted by counterterrorist
ADOLF SCHICKELGRUBER was his real name, NOT Hitler. Hitler was his stage name.


Adolf's father, who was born out of wedlock, changed his name from Schickelgrüber (his mother's maiden name) to Hiedler (the name of his stepfather), which was later misspelled as Hitler. I'm not aware of any evidence that the official records on this were tampered with.


Originally posted by counterterrorist
Here's proof that Hitler was Satanic: demon shape-shifter Janus-Bifrons-Baphomet & Hitler’s occult roots & Martin Bormann & the Fourth Reich www.abovetopsecret.com...


This demon shape-shifter nonsense is way too fringy for my taste. I prefer to stick to proven facts.



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by counterterrorist
Sorry -- I do not call a society built on terrorism and racism and espionage and genocide, that calls for the elimination of Jews and blacks and mentally and physically handicapped people and gypsies and all non-white races ... healthy.


That's what the NWO wants you to believe. That doesn't make it fact



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 08:32 AM
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A pile of dead people doesn't say anything about how those people died. A pile of shoes doesn't say anything about what happened to their owners. An antisemitic policy doesn't need to imply genocide. It is easy to make assumptions about what happened in the concentration camps and why, but it isn't always self-evident to make the right assumption



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
I strongly believe that there was an ancient advanced civilisation that preceded Egyptian and Babylonian culture, but I've found too little information on what this culture was like or where it came from.


Yes, I remember that too ... I think it was between Atlantis and Babylon. I ran across it in an occult book store in 1971. Good book store. Long time ago. I believe it was a matriarchal society before the patriarchal societies took hold ... I'll have to look into it when I return in about 7-10 days.

Thanks for your responses. I didn't get any sleep after all. Now I have to drive for 5-6 hours.

When I return I'm going to reread our correspondance and isolate where I can where Hitler was part of the process of German General Staff ... and ... (I'm sure you can help with this part) ...where he may or may not have operated independently from German General Staff (if he was ever independent from them).

To my knowleged, he always reported to his superiors who financed him ... however, it does seem likely he grew independently wealthy with war booty ... while he turned the reins over to Martin Bormann to whom Reinhard Gehlen reported (or perhaps they reported to one another).



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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For those who wish additional information not yet covered in this thread pertaining to Rockefellor and IMF and The Sovereign State of the City of London (commanding Bank of England & Fed & Bundesbank & al Qaeda) simultaneously financing Nazi and neo-Nazi Germany throughout the 20th Century and at the same time financing Russian and Chinese communism to destroy Nazism and Fascism, see www.abovetopsecret.com...

also note the interplay of those who really controlled Hitler, as illustrated in this chart of Jewish and Christian bankers:











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posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 01:35 PM
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Summary of posts on pg 24
23-7-2008 @ 02:19 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Carl von Clauswitz incorporates into German policy systematic de-population of enemy nations.



posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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(cont) summary of p24 posts



posted on Aug, 9 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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summary of posts on p25
www.abovetopsecret.com...

31-7-2008 @ 10:03 AM
reply queries OutoftheBoxthinker about Rothschild & Warburg connection

31-7-2008 @ 12:53 PM
a poster comments: no connection between Rothschild-Warburg-Schiff other than their being “Jewish”

31-7-2008 @ 01:27 PM
OutoftheBox thinker replies with close-knit intermarriage of Jewish banking families documentation

31-7-2008 @ 02:13 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
My current ongoing research indicates the Illuminati-Holy Roman Empire-O-WO-NWO sucessfully & simultaneously put Roosevelt & Hitler into power for the same time period, for similar reasons. (see- ‘coincidence or conspiracy? …reign of Hitler & Roosevelt the same …March 1933 to April 1945’, at www.abovetopsecret.com...

31-7-2008 @ 02:24 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
reply from OutoftheBoxthinker:
The vast majority rejects the claims that Hitler was responsible for genocide and regard this claim as part of black-ops propaganda.

31-7-2008 @ 02:47 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
progression of the O-WO-NWO process of the last 2,000 years from the Apostle Paul (who apparently was NOT the Christianity of Jesus and James, but what became the STATE version of Christianity, thru the Illuminati, up to present.
-Many folks interpret Hitler as Germany's economic savior and forget that following Germany WWI slaughters and genocides Germany was bankrupted and in effect PURCHASED by the WO and NWO folks ... as it was again, after it's military defeat in WWII. However, because of it's intelligence, that is, inate intelligence, in going underground via Odessa and Bormann both working with Brown Brothers Harriman and Rockefeller interests, succeeded in the transition of the Third Reich into the Fourth, and the Fifth (beginning with WTC/911 -- basically a replay of the Reichstag fire provocation).

31-7-2008 @ 03:04 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
The Rockefeller-Morgan and Rothschild-Warburg faction joined forces in the founding of the Federal Reserve Bank, which, along with Bank of England and Bundesbank, via their central bank collective, financed BOTH sides of both WWI and WWII, as they continue to finance both sides of all conflicts, today.
See Sutton's (free, online) brilliant research: 'Wall Street & The Rise of Hitler' www.reformation.org...

See posts on Antony Sutton's work: First, from ‘Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution: How western capitalists funded Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and the Soviet Union-- by Antony C. Sutton, 1974’, at reformed-theology.org... & with hyperlinks, same text at
www.modernhistoryproject.org...
& also (scroll to bottom for free online version) oneheartbooks.com...
& ONLINE AT reformed-theology.org...
also www.reformation.org...

31-7-2008 @ 03:12 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Paul Warburg, a German citizen, came over to the U.S. as a Rothschild agent in 1906. In 7 years he had founded and was in charge of the Federal Reserve. Not bad, for an immigrant. We now owe the Fed 9 trillion dollars, plus another 4 trillion because the same folks own Fannie Mae.

31-7-2008 @ 03:30 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
relationship between Jewish & Catholic bankers

31-7-2008 @ 04:16 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
(cont) in chart form, of major Jewish & Catholic (Christian) bankers

31-7-2008 @ 07:42 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
very brief summaries of p23 posts

31-7-2008 @ 08:54 PM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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1-8-2008 @ 05:18 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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1-8-2008 @ 05:24 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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1-8-2008 @ 05:26 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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1-8-2008 @ 05:53 AM
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OutoftheBoxthinker comments on pagan Europe, Council of Nicea, Knights Templar, Freemasonry,

He also comments: “Most people don't realise that Hitler was one of the greatest critics of the bankrupcy of Germany and it being robbed by foreigners. Most people don't realise that the Third Reich published dozens of books and pamphlets that exposed the NWO. Most people don't realise that Germany became healthy in just a few years when Hitler became chancellor and that he made and end to the robbing of Germany.... which was exactly why the British (NWO) declared war on Hitler.”

To which I later take exception.

1-8-2008 @ 06:23 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
add’l info on Enron in chart form
Enron gave the Taliban millions of dollars in a no-holds-barred bid to strike a deal for an energy pipeline in Afghanistan -- while the Taliban were already sheltering terror kingpin Osama Bin Laden. -some of the Enron money wound up supporting Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda terrorist network.

1-8-2008 @ 07:19 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
reply to OutoftheBoxthinker
OutoftheBoxthinker said: Hitler was one of the greatest critics of the bankruptcy of Germany and it being robbed by foreigners.

CT: The Jewish bankers were German. German. German. To attribute success in banking to religion, to me is senseless.

1-8-2008 @ 07:28 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
pics of Bayer selling Heroin in bottles like aspirin.

1-8-2008 @ 07:59 AM
www.abovetopsecret.com...
OutoftheBoxthinker reply

summary of p25 posts finished


MY PREMISE IS THAT THE SAME FOLKS THAT FUNDED WWI & WWII FUND(ED) AL QAEDA

Antony Sutton & his , ‘Wall Street & the Rise of Hitler’ – I conclude the same players also finance(d) al Qaeda.

[I’m adding the following new info, which is not contained in the above url, nor elsewhere inthis string -- but added here for the first time. Sutton is worth reading and knowing about, a true American hero.]

here's the table of contents:
Preface www.reformation.org...

the role of the American corporate socialists, otherwise known as the Wall Street financial elite or the Eastern Liberal Establishment, in three significant twentieth-century historical events: the 1917 Lenin-Trotsky Revolution in Russia, the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States, and the 1933 seizure of power by Adolf Hitler in Germany.



CHAPTER TWELVE
Conclusions

We have demonstrated with documentary evidence a number of critical associations between Wall Street international bankers and the rise of Hitler and Nazism in Germany.

First: that Wall Street financed the German cartels in the mid-1920s which in turn proceeded to bring Hitler to power.
Second: that the financing for Hitler and his S.S. street thugs came in part from affiliates or subsidiaries of U.S. firms, including Henry Ford in 1922, payments by I.G. Farben and General Electric in 1933, followed by the Standard Oil of New Jersey and I.T.T. subsidiary payments to Heinrich Himmler up to 1944.

Third: that U.S. multi-nationals under the control of Wall Street profited handsomely from Hitler's military construction program in the 1930s and at least until 1942.

Fourth: that these same international bankers used political influence in the U.S. to cover up their wartime collaboration and to do this infiltrated the U.S. Control Commission for Germany.

Our evidence for these four major assertions can be summarized as follows:


Introduction, ‘Unexplored Facets of Nazism’ www.reformation.org...

Chapter 1 Wall Street Paves the Way for Hitler www.reformation.org...

In Chapter One we presented evidence that the Dawes and Young Plans for German reparations were formulated by Wall Streeters, temporarily wearing the hats of statesmen, and these loans generated a rain of profits for these international bankers. Owen Young of General Electric, Hjalmar Schacht, A. Voegler, and others intimately connected with Hitler's accession to power had earlier been the negotiators for the U.S. and German sides, respectively. Three Wall Street houses — Dillon, Read; Harris, Forbes; and, National City Company — handled three-quarters of the reparations loans used to create the German cartel system, including the dominant I.G. Farben and Vereinigte Stahlwerke, which together produced 95 percent of the explosives for the Nazi side in World War II.


Chapter 2 The Empire of I. G. Farben www.reformation.org...

The central role of I.G. Farben in Hitler's coup d' état was reviewed in Chapter Two. The directors of American I.G. (Farben) were identified as prominent American businessmen: Walter Teagle, a close Roosevelt associate and backer and an NRA administrator; banker Paul Warburg (his brother Max Warburg was on the board of I.G. Farben in Germany); and Edsel Ford. Farben contributed 400,000 RM directly to Schacht and Hess for use in the crucial 1933 elections and Farben was subsequently in the forefront of military development in Nazi Germany.


same folks that funded WWI & WWII fund(ed) al Qaeda (cont)

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posted on Aug, 9 2008 @ 04:16 PM
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(cont) Antony Sutton’s, ‘Wall St. & the Rise of Hitler’ – my premise is that the same folks that funded WWI & WWII fund(ed) al Qaeda

Chapter 3 General Electric Funds Hitler www.reformation.org...

A donation of 60,000 RM was made to Hitler by German General Electric (A.E.G.), which had four directors and a 25-30 percent interest held by the U.S. General Electric parent company. This role was described in Chapter Three, and we found that Gerard Swope, an originator of Roosevelt's New Deal (its National Recovery Administration segment), together with Owen Young of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and Clark Minor of International General Electric, were the dominant Wall Streeters in A.E.G. and the most significant single influence.

We also found no evidence to indict the German electrical firm Siemens, which was not under Wall Street control. In contrast, there is documentary evidence that both A.E.G. and Osram, the other units of the German electrical industry — both of which had U.S. participation and control — did finance Hitler. In fact, almost all directors of German General Electric were Hitler backers, either directly through A.E.G. or indirectly through other German firms, G.E. rounded out its Hitler support by technical cooperation with Krupp, aimed at restricting U.S. development of tungsten carbide, which worked to the detriment of the U.S. in World War II. We concluded that A.E.G. plants in Germany managed, by a yet unknown maneuver, to avoid bombing by the Allies.


NOTE: HERE is evidence to include Siemens:
www.abovetopsecret.com... & www.abovetopsecret.com...

Chapter 4 Standard Oil Fuels World War II www.reformation.org...

An examination of the role of Standard Oil of New Jersey (which was and is controlled by the Rockefeller interests) was undertaken in Chapter Four. Standard Oil apparently did not finance Hitler's accession to power in 1933 (that part of the "myth of Sidney Warburg" is not proven). On the other hand, payments were made up to 1944 by Standard Oil of New Jersey, to develop synthetic gasoline for war purposes on behalf of the Nazis and, through its wholly owned subsidiary, to Heinrich Himmler's S.S. Circle of Friends for political purposes.

Standard Oil's role was technical aid to Nazi development of synthetic rubber and gasoline through a U.S. research company under the management control of Standard Oil. The Ethyl Gasoline Company, jointly owned by Standard Oil of New Jersey and General Motors, was instrumental in supplying vital ethyl lead to Nazi Germany — over the written protests of the U.S. War Department — with the clear knowledge that the ethyl lead was for Nazi military purposes.


Chapter 5 I.T.T Works Both Sides of the War www.reformation.org...

In Chapter Five we demonstrated that International Telephone and Telegraph Company, one of the more notorious multi-nationals, worked both sides of World War II through Baron Kurt von Schroder, of the Schroder banking group. I.T.T. also held a 28-percent interest in Focke-Wolfe aircraft, which manufactured excellent German fighter planes. We also found that Texaco (Texas Oil Company) was involved in Nazi endeavors through German attorney Westrick, but dropped its chairman of the board Rieber when these endeavors were publicized.



ITT Directors (1933)
Arthur M. Anderson – partner, J.P. MORGAN & New York Trust Co.
Hernand Behn – affiliated with Bank of America
Sosthenes Behn –afiliated with NATIONAL CITY BANK
F. Wilder Bellamy – partner in Dominick & Dominicik
John W. Cutler – GRACE NATIONAL BANK
George H. Gardiner –partner in Davis, Polk, Wardwell, Gardiner & Reed
Allen G. Hoyt – NATIONAL CITY BANK
Russell C. Leffingwell – partner, J.P. MORGAN & CARNEGIE CORP.
Bradley W. Palmer – Chairman, Exec. Committee, UNITED FRUIT
Lansing P. Reed – partner, Davis Polk, Wardwell, Gardiner & Reed


Chapter 6 Henry Ford and the Nazis www.reformation.org...

Henry Ford was an early (1922) Hitler backer and Edsel Ford continued the family tradition in 1942 by encouraging French Ford to profit from arming the German Wehrmacht, Subsequently, these Ford-produced vehicles were used against American soldiers as they landed in France in 1944. For his early recognition of, and timely assistance to, the Nazis, Henry Ford received a Nazi medal in 1938. The records of French Ford suggest Ford Motor received kid glove treatment from the Nazis after 1940.


Chapter 7 Who Financed Adolf Hitler? www.reformation.org...

The provable threads of Hitler financing are drawn together in Chapter Seven and answer with precise names and figures the question, who financed Adolf Hitler? This chapter indicts Wall Street and, incidentally, no one else of consequence in the United States except the Ford family. The Ford family is not normally associated with Wall Street but is certainly a part of the "power elite."


Chapter 8 Putzi: Friend of Hitler and Roosevelt www.reformation.org...

In earlier chapters we cited several Roosevelt associates, including Teagle of Standard Oil, the Warburg family, and Gerard Swope. In Chapter Eight the role of Putzi Hanfstaengl, another Roosevelt friend and a participant in the Reichstag fire, is traced.


Chapter 9 Wall Street and the Nazi Inner Circle www.reformation.org...

The composition of the Nazi inner circle during World War II, and the financial contributions of Standard Oil of New Jersey and I.T.T. subsidiaries, are traced in Chapter Nine. Documentary proof of these monetary contributions is presented. Kurt von Schroder is identified as the key intermediary in this S.S. "slush fund."


Chapter 10 The Myth of "Sidney Warburg" www.reformation.org...

Finally, in Chapter Ten we reviewed a book suppressed in 1934 and the "myth of 'Sidney Warburg.'" The suppressed book accused the Rockefellers, the Warburgs, and the major oil companies of financing Hitler. While the name "Sidney Warburg" was no doubt an invention, the extraordinary fact remains that the argument in the suppressed "Sidney Warburg" book is remarkably close to the evidence presented now. It also remains a puzzle why James Paul Warburg, fifteen years later, would want to attempt, in a rather transparently slipshod manner, to refute the contents of the "Warburg" book, a book he claims not to have seen. It is perhaps even more of a puzzle why Warburg would choose Nazi von Papen's Memoirs as the vehicle to present his refutation.


Chapter 11 Wall Street Nazi Collaboration in World
War II www.reformation.org...

Finally, in Chapter Eleven we examined the roles of the Morgan and Chase Banks in World War II, specifically their collaboration with the Nazis in France while a major war was raging.

In other words, as in our two previous examinations of the links between New York international bankers and major historical events, we find a provable pattern of subsidy and political manipulation.


Antony Sutton’s, ‘Wall St. & the Rise of Hitler’ – my premise is that the same folks that funded WWI & WWII fund(ed) al Qaeda (cont)


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posted on Aug, 9 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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I've done a separate post, called, 'same folks that funded WWI&II fund(ed) al Qaeda & should be tried for treason', based on the work of Antony Sutton & Eustace Mullins, at www.abovetopsecret.com...

Next we'll be looking in depth at the people who simultaneously handled Roosevelt and Hitler.

Before doing so, please review:
'coincidence or conspiracy? …reign of Hitler & Roosevelt the same …March 1933 to April 1945'--www.abovetopsecret.com...
&
'Roosevelt and Hitler Unmasked at Last'--www.reformation.org...
&
'Mainland China financed by Rockefeller & linked to al Qaeda & Dafur genocide'--www.abovetopsecret.com...
&
'the Nazi/neo-Nazi/Fascist NWO organizations mentioned below in this post play prominently in WTC/911'--www.abovetopsecret.com...

I watched the opening ceremonies of the Olympics last night and it reeked of totalitarianism -- and the announcer mentioned George H.W. Bush had been active in China since 1975 (I believe first as Ambassador and then as CIA station chief and then as vice president and then as president).

...therefore, we can assume, since the Bush dynasty represents the 4th & 5th Reichs of the NWO (the interlocking directorate of City of London, Bank of England, Fed, Bundesbank -- which are, as well along w/the Bush dynasty, the major drug dealers and money launderers -- that Bush and NWO ARE HEAVILY INVESTED IN CHINA -- along with Bechtel (founded by the Fed) ... and, we can assume, Halliburton, Kroll, Deutche Bank, Rockefeller, Chase and so on.

I'm going to review the above posts then come back and we'll take an in-depth view of:

Putzi: Friend of Hitler and Roosevelt--www.reformation.org...
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from Sutton:

In earlier chapters we cited several Roosevelt associates, including Teagle of Standard Oil, the Warburg family, and Gerard Swope. In Chapter Eight the role of Putzi Hanfstaengl, another Roosevelt friend and a participant in the Reichstag fire, is traced.



posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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Ernst Sedgewiek Hanfstaengl (or Hanfy or Putzi) like Hjalmar Horace Greeley Sehacht, was another German-American at core of rise of Hitlerism.

Putzi helped Hitler then did ‘psy-ops’ for Roosevelt – sounds like a double-agent to me.

from www.reformation.org...
In Oct 1929, Great Depression was co-engineered where Fed was located, at 120 Broadway in Wall Street area of Manhattan, New York.

Roosevelt had an office there & was director of at least 11 companies w/ties to Hitler.


Okay, we’re going to start w/this excerpt, from www.abovetopsecret.com...:

-- power behind scenes, hidden influence on Washington — [is] financial establishment in New York: private international bankers, more specifically financial houses of J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller-controlled Chase Manhattan Bank, & in earlier days (before amalgamation of their Manhattan Bank w/the former Chase Bank), Warburgs.

(remember, Paul Warburg is running Fed & controlling U.S. & [and most likely] advising U.S. intelligence, & his brother Max is running German central bank & controlling Germany & ‘officially’ advising German intelligence.) – see Sutton’s, ‘Secrets of Federal Reserve’- www.whale.to...




Caption:
(1)-Roosevelt's Inauguration on March 4, 1933.
(2)-Hitler became Dictator of Germany in March, 1933. Hitler was actually "elected" Chancellor in Jan. 1933, but it was Reichstag fire that sealed fate of freedom in Germany.
(3)-Hitler & Ernst (Putzi) Hanfstaengl. Putzi was Hitler's press agent & piano player. He was very close friends w/FDR from their Harvard days. FDR had him released from a Canadian POW camp & transferred to Wash, D.C. to advise him on conduct of war!
(4)-Hitler listens attentively as Ernst Hanfstaengl plays Harvard football marches.
(5)- Hanfstaengl w/Unity Mitford, English Nazi, in 1934.
(6)- Hitler presents an award to a Nazi youth in Sportpalast in Berlin
(7)- Hitler & Hanfstaengl see eye to eye!!
(8)- Hanfstaengl w/his son Egon—a sergeant in U.S. army—advising President Roosevelt on running of war!!
(9)- Hanfstaengl as advisor to President Roosevelt in Bush Hill on July 15, 1944.
(10)- “Hitler’s banker”, Horace Greeley Schacht (1877-1970) w/Hitler in 1934, at laying of foundation stone of new Reichsbank building
(11)- Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht (left next to Roosevelt) was Hitler's Banker & another good friend of Roosevelt.
(12)- Hanfstaengl w/Schact (Hitler's banker)
(13)- Hjalmar Schacht awaiting trial at Nuremburg in 1946. His friends in very high places saw that he was acquitted.
(14)- Reichstag Fire in Feb. 1933. -- O-bankers attack on Reightslag bldg used to put Hitler into power & grow 3rd Reich.
(15) Pearl Harbor attack on Dec. 7, 1941 was engineered to get U.S. into World War II so central banker could rape U.S. -WO-bankers attack on Japan to bring U.S. citizens into war as German ‘machine’ escapes to South America for Bormann to build 4th Reich/NWO
(16)-NWO-bankers attack on WTC to activate 5th Reich.

Antony Sutton & his , ‘Wall Street & Rise of Hitler’ : www.reformation.org... – Chapter 8: Putzi: Friend of Hitler & Roosevelt www.reformation.org...


Putzi: Friend of Hitler & Roosevelt

Ernst Sedgewiek Hanfstaengl (or Hanfy or Putzi, as he was more usually called), like Hjalmar Horace Greeley Sehacht, was another German-American at core of rise of Hitlerism. Hanfstaengl was born into a well-known New England family;



By coincidence, S.S. leader Heinrich Himmler's father was also Putzi's form master at Royal Bavarian Wilhelms gymnasium.



In brief, Putzi was an American citizen at heart of Hitler entourage from early 1920s to late 1930s. In 1943, after falling out of favor w/the Nazis & interned by Allies, Putzi was bailed out of miseries of a Canadian prisoner of war camp by his friend & protector President Franklin D. Roosevelt. When FDR's actions threatened to become an internal political problem in United States, Putzi was re-interned in England. As if it is not surprising enough to find both Heinrich Himmler & Franklin D. Roosevelt prominent in Putzi's life, we also discover that Nazi Stormtrooper marching songs were composed by Hanfstaengl, "including one that was played by brownshirt columns as they marched through Brandenburger Tor on day Hitler took over power.5 To top this eye-opener, Putzi averred that genesis of Nazi chant "Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil," used in Nazi mass rallies, was none other than "Harvard, Harvard, Harvard, rah, rah, rah."

When Hitler came to power in March 1933, simultaneously w/Franklin Delano Roosevelt in Washington, a private "emissary" was sent from Roosevelt in Washington, D.C. to Hanfstaengl in Berlin, w/a message to effect that as it appeared Hitler would soon achieve power in Germany, Roosevelt hoped, in view of their long acquaintance, that Putzi would do his best to prevent any rashness & hot-headedness. "Think of your piano playing & try & use soft pedal if things get too loud," was FDR's message.



Was Hanfstaengl an agent for Liberal Establishment in U.S.? We can probably rule out this possibility because, according to Ladislas Farago, it was Putzi who blew whistle on top-level British penetration of Hitler command. Farago reports that Baron William S. de Ropp had penetrated highest Nazi echelons in pre-World War II days & Hitler used de Ropp "... as his confidential consultant about British affairs.10 De Ropp was suspected as being a double agent only by Putzi. According to Farago:
The only person ... who ever suspected him of such duplicity & cautioned Fuehrer about him was erratic Putzi Hanfstaengl, Harvard educated chief of Hitler's office dealing w/the foreign press.

By 1941 Putzi was out of favor w/Hitler & Nazis, fled Germany, & was interned in a Canadian prisoner of war camp. W/Germany & United States now at war Putzi re-calculated odds & concluded, "Now I knew for certain that Germany would be defeated."13 Putzi's release from POW camp came w/the personal intervention of old friend President Roosevelt:
One day a correspondent of Hearst press named Kehoe obtained permission to visit Fort Hens. I managed to have a few words w/him in a corner. "I know your boss well," I told him. "Will you do me a small service?" Fortunately he recognized my name.

I gave him a letter, which he slipped into his pocket. It was addressed to American Secretary of State, Cordell Hull. A few days later it was on desk of my Harvard Club friend, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In it I offered to act as a political & psychological warfare adviser in war against Germany.14
The response & offer to "work" for American side was accepted. Putzi was installed in comfortable surroundings w/his son, U.S. Army Sergeant Egon Hanfstaengl, also there as a personal aide. In 1944, under pressure of a Republican threat to blow whistle on Roosevelt's favoritism for a former Nazi, Egon was shipped out to New Guinea & Putzi hustled off to England, where British promptly interned him for duration of war, Roosevelt or no Roosevelt,



Putzi's Role in Reichstag Fire
Putzi's friendships & political manipulations may or may not be of any great consequence, but his role in Reichstag fire is significant. firing of Reichstag on February 27, 1933 is one of key events of modern times. fire was used by Adolf Hitler to claim imminent Communist revolution, suspend constitutional rights, & seize totalitarian power. From that point on there was no turning back for Germany; world was set upon course to World War II.

At time firing of Reichstag was blamed on Communists, but there is little question in historical perspective that fire was deliberately set by Nazis to provide an excuse to seize political power. Fritz Thyssen commented in post-war Dustbin interrogations:
When Reichstag was burned, everyone was sure it had been done by communists. I later learned in Switzerland that it was all a lie.15

Schacht states quite emphatically:
Nowadays it would be quite clear that this action could not be fastened on Communist Party. To what extent individual National Socialists co-operated in planning & execution of deed will be difficult to establish, but in view of all that has been revealed in meantime, fact must be accepted that Goebbels & Goering each played a leading part, one in planning, other in carrying out plan.16

The Reichstag fire was deliberately set, probably utilizing a flammable liquid, by a group of experts. This is where Putzi Hanfstaengl comes into picture. key question is how did this group, bent on arson, gain access to Reichstag to do job? After 8 p.m. only one door in main building was unlocked & this door was guarded. Just before 9 p.m. a tour of building by watchmen indicated all was well; no flammable liquids were noticed & nothing was out of ordinary in Sessions Chamber where fire started. Apparently no one could have gained access to Reichstag building after 9 p.m., & no one was seen to enter or leave between 9 p.m. & start of fire.

There was only one way a group w/flammable materials could have entered Reichstag — through a tunnel that ran between Reichstag & Palace of Reichstag President. Hermann Goering was president of Reichstag & lived in Palace, & numerous S.A. & S.S. men were known to be in Palace.

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posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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Ernst Sedgewiek Hanfstaengl (or Hanfy or Putzi) helped Hitler then did ‘psy-ops’ for Roosevelt – sounds like a double-agent to me.


Putzi — by his own admission — was in Palace room at other end of tunnel leading to Reichstag. & according to Reichstag Fire Trial, Putzi Hanfstaengl was actually in Palace itself during fire:
propaganda apparatus stood ready, & leaders of Storm Troopers were in their places. W/the official bulletins planned in advance, orders of arrest prepared, Karwahne, Frey & Kroyer waiting patiently in their cafe, preparations were complete, scheme almost perfect.18



Roosevelt's New Deal & Hitler's New Order
Hjalmar Schacht challenged his post-war Nuremberg interrogators w/the observation that Hitler's New Order program was same as Roosevelt's New Deal program in United States. interrogators understandably snorted & rejected observation. However, a little research suggests [the] two programs [are] quite similar in content,




New Deal or "new economic order" was not a creature of classical liberalism. It was a creature of corporate socialism. Big business as reflected in Wall Street strived for a state order in which they could control industry & eliminate competition, & this was heart of FDR's New Deal. General Electric, for example, is prominent in both Nazi Germany & New Deal. German General Electric was a prominent financier of Hitler & Nazi Party, & A.E.G. also financed Hitler both directly & indirectly through Osram. International General Electric in New York was a major participant in ownership & direction of both A.E.G. & Osram. Gerard Swope, Owen Young, & A. Baldwin of General Electric in United States were directors of A.E.G. However, story does not stop at General Electric & financing of Hitler in 1933.

In a previous book, Wall Street & Bolshevik Revolution, author identified role of General Electric in Bolshevik Revolution & geographic location of American participants as at 120 Broadway, New York City; executive offices of General Electric were also at 120 Broadway. When Franklin Delano Roosevelt was working in Wall Street, his address was also 120 Broadway.

In fact, Georgia Warm Springs Foundation, FDR Foundation, was located at 120 Broadway. prominent financial backer of an early Roosevelt Wall Street venture from 120 Broadway was Gerard Swope of General Electric. & it was "Swope's Plan" that became Roosevelt's New Deal — fascist plan that Herbert Hoover was unwilling to foist on United States.

In brief, both Hitler's New Order & Roosevelt's New Deal were backed by same industrialists & in content were quite similar — i.e., they were both plans for a corporate state.




There were then both corporate & individual bridges between FDR,s America & Hitler's Germany. first bridge was American I.G. Farben, American affiliate of I.G. Farben, largest German corporation. On board of American I.G. sat Paul Warburg, of Bank of Manhattan & Federal Reserve Bank of New York. second bridge was between International General' Electric, a wholly owned subsidiary of General Electric Company & its partly owned affiliate in Germany, A.E.G. Gerard Swope, who formulated FDR's New Deal, was chairman of I.G.E. & on board of A.E.G. third "bridge" was between Standard Oil of New Jersey & Vacuum Oil & its wholly owned German subsidiary, Deutsche-Amerikanisehe Gesellschaft. chairman of Standard Oil of New Jersey was Walter Teagle, of Federal Reserve Bank of New York. He was a trustee of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Georgia Warm Springs Foundation & appointed by FDR to a key administrative post in National Recovery Administration.

These corporations were deeply involved in both promotion of Roosevelt's New Deal & construction of military power of Nazi Germany. Putzi Hanfstaengl's role in early days, up to mid-1930s anyway, was an informal link between Nazi elite & White House. After mid-1930s, when world was set on course for war, Putzis importance declined — while American Big Business continued to be represented through such intermediaries as Baron Kurt von Schroder attorney Westrick, & membership in Himmler's Circle of Friends.



Then, note this, from www.reformation.org... & from www.abovetopsecret.com...:

Great Depression beginning in October 1929, caused collapse of world financial system. Millions of people throughout world were thrown out of work & faced prospect of starvation.... This "Federal" Reserve Bank engineered financial collapse [Great Depression] gave Roosevelt opportunity to usurp power in U.S....and Hitler used same crisis to become Führer in Germany.


Then, from www.reformation.org... :

President Roosevelt was poisoned on April 12, 1945 at Warm Springs, Georgia. reason for his timely demise was this: He was about to meet a delegation of atomic scientists from Los Alamos & he had agreed w/Joseph Stalin that Russians should conquer Berlin after their appalling losses in defeating Third Reich. Hitler died on April 30, 1945 by taking poison & then shooting himself w/a pistol.
[note: it’s also contested Hitler committed suicide, but instead escaped by plane: www.abovetopsecret.com... -specifically: M57-‘Flight of Wolf: Escape of Adolf Hitler’, miscsummary.blogspot.com... ]

(incidently, Roosevelt’s son is convinced Roosevelt was poisoned by two White Russians visiting him. This, from my historical novel:

President Roosevelt sent Joint Chiefs of Staff top secret copies of Donovan’s intelligence agency creation proposal, & a draft of an executive order to implement it. Jan. 1, 1945, Joint Chiefs of Staff said plan to exclude military intelligence from intelligence agency was not acceptable. The plan leaked to four newspapers, attacking it …newspaper headlines accused Roosevelt & Wild Bill of trying to create a super Gestapo in United States. Donovan put plan … to implement civilian intelligence agency made up of Wall Street Fed majority stockholder, ruling family representatives, like in OSS … on hold. Apr. 12, 1945 Roosevelt died ...and, w/it ...that version of plan for a super intelligence agency run by Wall Street. Roosevelt’s son said, his father was assassinated. At time of death, Roosevelt was posing for two White Russians taking his photograph ...they all had refreshments …then, Roosevelt fell to floor. When two White Russians were contacted later, they said they heard news on their car radio. Roosevelt’s son was convinced anti-communist, anti-Democracy, Czarist Russian pair poisoned his father.


Here are Sutton youtube videos: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sutton online: Wall Street & Bolshevik Revolution
www.reformation.org...

Sutton online: Wall Street & Rise of Hitler
www.reformation.org...

Sutton online: Wall Street & FDR
www.reformation.org...

‘Wall Street & Bolshevik Revolution: How western capitalists funded Lenin, Bolsheviks, & Soviet Union-- by Antony C. Sutton, 1974’, Chapter 4—Wall Street & World Revolution at reformed-theology.org... & w/hyperlinks, same text at

www.modernhistoryproject.org...
& also (scroll to bottom for free online version)

oneheartbooks.com...

& reformed-theology.org...

also www.reformation.org...

from ‘Wall Street & Bolshevik Revolution: at reformed-theology.org...

& also (scroll to bottom for free online version) oneheartbooks.com...

& ONLINE AT reformed-theology.org...



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posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 12:28 AM
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Today's sad holocaust tale comes from Manya and Major Kornblit.

Manya and major were teenage sweethearts when the Germans invaded. They were almost captured by the Nazi's, but they hid in a haystack that was 3 stories high. Good thing, because the Nazi's machine gunned everyone else.

But then they got hungry, so they went to work for the germans who had just finished machine gunning everyone in their town.

The Nazi's took Manya to the Auschwitz death camp. Manya heard people scream in the gas chambers. She can still hear them screaming.

Then the Nazi's needed laborers in Czechslovakia, so Manya volunteered. Lucky for her, because the Nazi's killed all the jews who saw the gas chambers, so they would remain a secret.

Miraculously, Major also survived the death camps. Manya and Major found one another in Poland. They had survived a combined 13 death camps.

Miraculously, Manya's brother also survived the death camps.

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posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by ADisbeliever
Today's sad holocaust tale comes from Manya and Major Kornblit.


Their tale makes no sense whatsoever and seems to be an obvious fantasy.


Originally posted by ADisbeliever
Manya and major were teenage sweethearts when the Germans invaded. They were almost captured by the Nazi's, but they hid in a haystack that was 3 stories high. Good thing, because the Nazi's machine gunned everyone else.

But then they got hungry, so they went to work for the germans who had just finished machine gunning everyone in their town.


A hadstack of three stories high?

Anyway, why would they go to the Germans for work after they just killed everyone in her village? Surely if that were true, they would have gone to look for work for anyone but the Germans.


Originally posted by ADisbeliever
The Nazi's took Manya to the Auschwitz death camp. Manya heard people scream in the gas chambers. She can still hear them screaming.


Assuming she did hear people scream, how did she know where the screams came from?


Originally posted by ADisbeliever
[...] Nazi's killed all the jews who saw the gas chambers, so they would remain a secret.


So there is no evidence these gas chambers existed in the first place?


Originally posted by ADisbeliever
Miraculously, Major also survived the death camps. Manya and Major found one another in Poland. They had survived a combined 13 death camps.

Miraculously, Manya's brother also survived the death camps.


Even according to official history there were only about 5 death camps. All the other camps are currently labeled as work camps or transit camps.

Anyway, it's not so miraculous that they survived if none of the camps actually were death camps.



posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by ADisbeliever
Today's sad holocaust tale comes from Manya and Major Kornblit.
newsok.com...


Thanks for the info. Do you have additional stories?



It's from, Sunday, May 27, 2007

Sixty-five years ago, in the belly of Hitler's Third Reich, Major and Manya Kornblit virtually gave up hope of ever regaining their freedom.
All they cared about then were bread crumbs and living another day.

The Kornblits, then teenage sweethearts, were prisoners in Nazi Germany's death camps.

"Now I'm here,” said Manya, 82 and living in Ponca City. As her eyes glazed with tears, she added with a gentle smile, "If I'm still here talking to you, it's not because of one miracle, it's because of a thousand miracles.”

Manya and Major Kornblit's survival of the Holocaust is a testament to their own courage and the courage of millions who sacrificed their lives during World War II in the sacred honor of freedom.



Their story is one that swept them from the Jewish ghetto of Hrubieszow, Poland, and into hiding like animals, and then through the hell of a combined 13 Nazi concentration camps.

Today, they stand proud as the benefactors of the American Dream and keepers of the Holocaust story.

Yet their journey came at a horrific cost.

"We didn't just lose our families,” stressed Major, now 82. "We lost entire families — mother, father, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins. ...

"Memorial Day to us is everything. People risked their lives to save us.”

In return, the Kornblits willingly subject themselves to reliving the nightmares of the past. They tell of what they witnessed for those who no longer can.

Trying to stay alive
Some details admittedly have grown blurrier through the years, while others remain vivid and haunting.
"Who kept track of things like that back then?” Manya often mused when asked about years and dates and much smaller details. "We were just trying to stay alive.”

What will likely never stray from the memory of the Kornblits is the first time they avoided death at the hands of the Gestapo.

A police chief in their hometown, a highway commissioner and a farmer risked execution by hiding the young lovers in a three-story haystack, which sat atop a hand-dug crater.


Aside from Manya and Major, the handful of people included Manya's younger brother, Chaim. He was told he could go along if he vowed to remain quiet.

For weeks, they hid within the darkness of the haystack and ventured out only late at night.


The stakes became painfully evident one day when they heard a long, intense chain of gunfire from their hiding place. They would later learn that the Germans had ordered townspeople to line up next to freshly dug pits.

The townspeople then were executed and rolled into their waiting graves.


"All I was told was that my parents had been killed,” Manya said solemnly.

Eventually, hunger and the Germans' need for labor lured Manya, Major and Chaim from their hiding place. Then one day, a Gestapo squad rolled into their Jewish ghetto.

Manya, Major and Chaim were scattered in different directions. Before being separated, Major told his sweetheart, "If we live through this, we will meet again back home.”

They spent the next 2½ years on the verge of death.

Sometime after May 1944, Manya was transported to the Auschwitz death camp, where an estimated 1.5 million prisoners either died from starvation or the gas chambers.

A faded blue tattoo on Manya's forearm is evidence of her life at the notorious camp. The tattoo was her serial number: A-21321.

"I remember hearing the screams from the people in the gas chamber's," said Manya, closing her eyes. "I can still hear them screami”g."

A fateful decision
In retrospect, Manya credits her survival at the camp to one fortunate decision.

The Nazis needed laborers in Czechlosvakia. Manya volunteered.
Manya's weight would plummet to 67 pounds by the time she was liberated by the Russian army.


Major, meanwhile, spent his final days of captivity in the German concentration camp of Dachau.

One day, the sound of heavy gunfire rocked the camp. Prisoners were marched into the woods by gun-toting guards, who then scattered.

The American forces had come to liberate them.

Journey back to Poland
Major soon found himself living in American-occupied Munich, thinking everyone he had known and loved was dead. He was wrong.
A young man from his hometown mentioned that he had seen his girlfriend alive and living in a house in Poland. Major stood in disbelief.

He secured a passport from a government office in Munich.

Major found the house, and when the door opened his eyes locked on Manya.


"We just squeezed each other so hard," Manya recalled. "We hugged for the longest time."


The two were married a short time later.

A true story of love
Life eventually carried them to the United States, where in 1951 they were taken by train from New Orleans to Oklahoma City and finally to a job at a junkyard in Ponca City. The Kornblits had $20.
The Kornblits raised two children - Sam, 60, and Michael, 56.

In 1983, Michael co-authored a book about the Holocaust experience of his parents titled, "Until We Meet Again: A True Story of Love and War, Separation and Reunion."

A year before its publication, Manya learned that her little brother, Chaim, also had survived the Holocaust.

They reunited after 40 years in a much-publicized media event at Chaim's new home in Britain.

Manya bear-hugged her brother and whispered, "We made it."








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posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by ADisbeliever
Today's sad holocaust tale comes from Manya and Major Kornblit.


Their tale makes no sense whatsoever and seems to be an obvious fantasy.


Originally posted by ADisbeliever
Manya heard people scream in the gas chambers. She can still hear them screaming.


Assuming she did hear people scream, how did she know where the screams came from?


neo-Nazi holocaust denial version of the concentration camps: www.abovetopsecret.com...

what it was really like: www.abovetopsecret.com...

for muslim demonizers (photos): muslim conspiracy to have fun, worship god & write poetry? www.abovetopsecret.com...

'God Bless Hitler' Al Qaeda-Muslim Brotherhood demonstration: www.abovetopsecret.com...

videos & sources: The ‘great’ REAL Hitler was a speed-freak & smack junkie: www.abovetopsecret.com...

beware the Bormann conspiracy … Organization Der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen ... now called 2012, formerly called Odessa & World Order & NWO: www.abovetopsecret.com...

demon shape-shifter Janus-Bifrons-Baphomet & Hitler’s occult roots & Martin Bormann & the Fourth Reich: www.abovetopsecret.com...







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posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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..."I remember hearing the screams from the people in the gas chamber's," said Manya, closing her eyes. "I can still hear them screami”g."
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Odd. You'd think that in an airtight space the screaming would have been quite muffled.



posted on Aug, 12 2008 @ 07:21 PM
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Thanks for the info. Do you have additional stories?



Today's sad holocaust tale comes from Ebi Gabor.

Ebi was only 16 years old when the evil Nazi's captured her in Hungary. The Nazi's put 80 jews into each box car, and sent them to the death camp of Auschwitz. There was no food or water, and only a single poop bucket in the middle of the cattle car. The jews would drink their own pee just to survive.

When a jew died in the cattle car, the other jews would fight to sleep on the body.

At Auschwitz, Ebi saw people gassed or tortured to death, and killed by dogs. The female jews at auschwitz were marched into a room filled with bunk beds 3 stories high, and the nazis forced 6 women to sleep in a single bunk designed for 1 person!

The jews had no food for breakfast - only coffee. The coffee was laced with medicine to stop the jews from menstruating. 5 jews had to share a single bowl of soup for lunch. For dinner the jews only got a piece of bread.

Miraculously, Ebi survived because her future husband used to throw cheese and sausage to her over the fence. Her future husband somehow got the cheese and sausage to throw to her, even though the jews only got 1 bowl of soup for 5 people. It's even more remarkable that her future husband managed to get the sausage and cheese while they were both in the death camp.

Ebi survived 3 other death camps. Below is a picture of Ebi, 3 months after she was liberated from the death camp where she only had a single piece of bread to eat all day.




source
hopelutheranchurch.net...
www.toacorn.com...







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posted on Aug, 13 2008 @ 04:33 AM
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Which Jews do -you- think are the biggest liars, the ones who Hitler worshipped or the ones who Hitler put into the concentration/extermination camps?

By the way, what's your profession? What level of education have you had in school? ...college? ...are you a neo-Nazi?

I know you wouldn't be ashamed to admit it, would you?


Originally posted by sir_chancealot

..."I remember hearing the screams from the people in the gas chambers," said Manya, closing her eyes. "I can still hear them screaming."
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Odd. You'd think that in an airtight space the screaming would have been quite muffled.



And, you think Hitler and Himmler and Kalterbrunner were liars?



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