Chemtrail upscale??? 3700 flights cancelled for "inspection issues"??

reply to post by spaceweaver

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I don't watch youtube videos - but unless they repeat what I've just posted above then those videos are spreading lies ..... Simple as that.

I still wonder what the agenda is behind the hoax?

some of the best videos i have ever seen have been from you tube (porn excluded) shame on you!

Essen, if you have a vested interest in remaining ignorant, I cannot help you.

If however, you would like to know what poisons you are breathing, please feel free to watch the video links posted.

Good luck with what you choose...education or ignorance? Tough choice.

In case you missed basic chemistry, gases expand, and so do particles floating around in them, say, ice crystals (like a contrail is made of). So there is no reason why, if the conditions are right, the contrail won't expand out. In fact, it is likely, since thats how it works, particularly when considering they are in the wake vortex of a jet, so it will expand, and over time, become very large.

Have you never seen a contrail that changes between short and long lived? It just depends on the conditions, not what's in it.

And no more ignorant comments, oh sorry for having knowledge about aviation, rather than speculation based on a simple observation of looking and thinking, wow, thats a big contrail. It must be that it's a chemtrail, not the atmospheric conditions, causing it to last.

And with the number of supposed chemtrails, most planes in the world must be spraying, and all the airlines, and their employees must be in on it, as well as all the manufacturers of the planes and engines in order to install the systems. And the powers that be must be paying a lot to the airlines too, as 1 kg extra systems, = 10kg less passengers. Add that up with the huge volume of said chemicals, they must be giving the airlines a hell of a lot of money.

Indeed. I don't use Youtube for my education so I guess I will always be ignorant of many, many things. Instead I fill my head with rubbish from books and scientific journals ...... how daft am I?


(As an aside, I sometimes wonder why I bother posting links to research papers and the like as I'm pretty sure no-one reads them)

reply to post by Essan

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oh ...essan ,

it seems like every day there is this debate going on, and it is always the same:

person A provides pics or vids of contrails that are spreading out or in grids.

person B provides fancifull un-supported claims of black projects etc etc

person C provides peer reviewed articles, scientific journals, offical reports

person D provides a lifetime of knowledge of working in the aviation industry.


Guess who most people seem to listen to ??

yep thats right person B !!!

it is a crazy ,crazy world.

snoopyuk

[edit on 16-4-2008 by snoopyuk]

IM AM REPOSTING THIS.... READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH CAREFULLY... (to all the guys with aviation and meteorology background) WW... You ignored me just to continue a mindless argument.



Dude... WeedWacker... I understand its not a really good pic.. but you seriously dont see that??? Come on.. I even outlined it in red. Well, I guess black isnt the exact correct word to use. Its semi-transparent dark gray.
Anyone else see what im talking about? And the main reason you can't see it is because they laid a white trail along it.. but, like I said, you can see it start and poke out a few times in the pics. Hopefully the pic my friend took today is better.

You said "Sometimes Nature makes cirrus clouds...or alto-cirrus, or alto-cumulus....but an airplane comes along and, only if the atmospheric conditions are just right, leaves a contrail."
But the thing is.. the sky is completely blue.. then the planes start coming by one by one and completely fill the sky with trails that spread out into an overall cloud cover.

Now.. if you remember my first post I completely understand what a contrail is and why it forms, the thing is that even if the government is not purposely making these trails persist and spread they know that it effects our environment negatively and needs to stop. NASA said it.. years ago.. they had kids document contrails for the sole reason of telling air traffic control what altitudes to tell the planes to fly so they don't form persistent spreading contrails. But the fact of the matter is that the trails are only getting worse.

There are NO REAL CLOUDS in this pic.. only trails. Each trail has spread to at least hundreds of feet wide and stayed there all day. I should be seeing a blue sky...


If you care about this topic so much why don't you do something productive. Even if this is just pure water vapor trails it is messing our planet up and it needs to be stopped. Why can't you at least support that and work to get NASA to follow through with what they said they were doing back in 04. If you are so versed in the field they will listen to you better. Instead of arguing with random people about whether or not there are chemicals in the trails. The thing is.. the trails are there and they are bad. Also, if they do cooperate with you to stop this and follow through.. then you would have 100% proof that they aren't doing anything because there would be no more trails.

Peace

Edit to add: I saw a friend I havent talked to in a while last night. Somehow these con/chemtrails came up. He said I was crazy and stupid for even "falling for it". Guess what... I get a voicemail from him this morning.. "Those trails you were talking about are everywhere!! There is even a black one!!"

[edit on 16-4-2008 by danman23]

I'm no professional on this topic, but it has bugged me for many years....

I read an earlier post, and here it said:

"Now Stellar, maybe you can answer the one question I have asked you in several of these thread which you have constantly ignored:

Do you honestly think that the US military is operating aircraft over South Africa, and all the other nations that people claim to see contrails?"

Firstly, may I say that I have lived in South Africa all my life (30years), until moving to Canada last April. I have NEVER seen Chemtrails in SA! NEVER!! Reason being, and this is my opinion, they don't have the 'program' in place.

Now people may want to argue that it is warmer there, and that the stratosphere etc is not as cold as in Canada, so therefore one might not see the effects. Granted, I don't deny that.

What I have seen here in Toronto the last 2 days however, has me scratching my head - big time!! We have had crystal clear blue skies. I am a sales rep, and I'm on the road all the time. I have noticed that aircraft don't leave chemtrails (contrails?) all day long....until a specific time period, and then all hell breaks loose.

I have read on this post it's because of different engines, from the 90's to late 90's etc etc....But I'm sorry, I don't buy that, and this is why: Do these planes with these specific engines all fly between 2 and 4pm the last 2 days? What's the odds? Let's get real. There is NO WAY that commercial airlines would all be flying these model planes at these specific times.

I have been watching planes in Canada since I got here, purely because we never saw this in South Africa, and it pricked my interest. Yesterday, whilst outside having a smoke with colleagues (just after 2pm), I inquired to them if they had ever seen two high altitude aircraft flying in formation together. There were two planes flying at a very high altitude, leaving behind a nice smoke screen, flying parallel in a manner that was FAR too close for commercial airlines. Well, I've never seen two aircraft fly within what would be a 1/2mile distance from each other, DIRECTLY next to each other.

That to me ruled out commercial, and says it must be military. Now, with all that I have seen in the past few days, I ask myself this:

- Commercial airlines all flying certain model engine airplanes at the same time?

- Commercial airlines flying parallel, so close they may have been at an air show, and this is accepted by Aviation authorities in Canada?

- Commercial airlines flying planes all over the world, and yet we only have this phenomenon over certain countries / areas? Is it that they are being fueled with certain fuels in these countries areas, etc?

- I see 1 plane fly in the same direction as another, within minues, and what seems to be the same altitude, yet there is NO Chemtrail from plane 2?

- They DO NOT fly on regular flight paths that I see. Plus, they fly equal distances parallel to one another....which begs the question: Are they planning to cover an area 'equally'?

As I said in the beginning, I'm no professional on any of this, just a concerned individual. Everything said here is my opinion (except for experience in SA), and not fact at all.

I would however like anyone here, who can answer my questions / wonderings, to please do so, and hopefully put my mind at rest.

Thanks ATS'ers

The flight paths help to create a covered sky. There are different chemicals, from Aluminum Oxide, Barium, Mycroplasms all designed to aid in the depopulation plan NSSM 200 by Kissinger. Some reduce a persons resistence to disease readying for the culling of the population, in short.



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reply to post by danman23

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Danman23 I was looking through my pictures to see if I took any of the "black line" that appears to show up, I have seen this a few times too. In the picture you posted I could not see the line as clearly as in mine. I really would like to know what it is as well.

The plan is to cull the worlds population in different ways to reduce the worlds population to 500,000,000 reference NSSM 200. It is leading to the one world government.



reply to post by Gerizo

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As much as I'd like to, I can stop people flying more and more and more. Though I should point out I never fly myself.

Also, people are trying to do something about it:

www.livescience.com...

But the point perhaps is: to get it stopped we must first educate people as to what they are seeing, what causes it and what the consequences are. Hence our responses in threads like this

As for NASA - what do you think The Langley Cloud and Radiation Research Group is for?

As layman all I can do is support and publicise the scientific research, educate my peers and hopefully increase the clamour for more to be done to stop persistent contrails.

just a point, in that image couldn't the 'black line' be the shadow of the contrail on the cloud below it? Just an idea since that makes sense in that image.



Poisoning everyone, most likely

[edit on 17-4-2008 by apex]

reply to post by apex

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Yes, it is a contrail shadow

contrailscience.com...

www.atoptics.co.uk...

www.weatherscapes.com...

reply to post by Gerizo

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This is in response to the reply with the pictures you posted.
Thank you.
I live in Tennessee and take my son to school at 7am I see this exact same thing going on here.My son and I watched the planes 2 of them going back and forth right in front of our eyes.It was a beautiful clear blue sky and those planes were completely covering up the rising sun.Big fat lines of CHEMTRAILS.
I also know many people that had mild allergies or asthma.That Are now carrying a inhaler including my mother.
I do think think the chemtrail are tearing down our immune system.
I also walk my dogs at night at all hours.I have seen the planes fly across a clear sky ,with a full moon leaving chemtrails.Like the last eclipse we had Chemtrails started when the eclipse did and covered it up.I only got to see the first part of it before they covered it up.That was the same night they shot down that military satellite.(there was more to that story too I think)
On youtube there are videos where a man collected ash like stuff that floated down after the chemtrails.They had it tested and it had all kinds of stuff in it.
There is too much positive information to be able to dismiss Chemtrails.

reply to post by sapphirearaidia

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Read through the thread.

Take note of those who rely on decades of scientific research rather than a Youtube video - you may find that your fears are unfounded (but also ask yourself why some people wish to spread such fears?)

Contrails (that some call chemtrails) are a worry. But not in the ways the evil disinformationists want you to believe.

contrails are normal....chemtrails are made up of different chemicals for different reasons. Al Oxide, Barium, Mycroplasms and many other reasons......preparing to cull the population by 75-80% attrition. Nssm 200 is in full operation by these cockroaches......however, Hell is waiting for them and they don't even know it yet.





reply to post by Essan

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Thought I would mention a connection to the chemtrails that I haven't seen on here just for those interested.
There are many doctors and scientist connecting the chemtrails to the disease Morgellons.I will try to leave a link to the video on youtube.This is the 1st link to a 6 part set of videos in the story.

www.youtube.com...

I am not very good on the computer so I hope I did this right.
In the beginning of this video it says "If it is something good for us why is no one claiming responsibility for chemtrails?" Like for weather modification ect.

I love to watch youtube videos myself.I know some of it is fantasy or fiction.
But I trust my instincts as to what sounds real or not.

I am hungry for knowledge and research ALL OF THE DATA THAT IS AVAILABLE.Youtube can be very educational.

I feel some people on this thread may think they are smarter than the doctors and scientist who are saying chemtrails are real.

To see them for yourself just look on youtube or google chemtrails.I can't make myself believe they are ALL making it up.

Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977
Names Chemtrails As
An 'Exotic Weapon'
By Lorie Kramer
seektress@ev1.net
1-10-2

After years of denial from government, military, and environmental agencies, the reality of the controversial issue regarding the covert programs known as Chemtrails has been acknowledged.

On October 2, 2001 Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Ohio introduced H. R. 2977 during the 1st Session of the 107th Congress of the United States. The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" seeks to "preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benfit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons."

In the bill Chemtrails are listed as an "exotic weapons system". Ironically in Section 7 - Definitions. The complete text of the bill may be found at Clifford Carnicom's website, "Chemtrail Crimes and Coverup Documented".

The bill also addresses such things as particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation, and mind-control as weapons. All of these areas have been researched and pondered by those investigating chemtrails and working to gain accountability for those programs.

They can't have it both ways. Water vapor is not a weapon.

This is a call to all those of conscience. This is a time when action is needed. It is time. The lies have gone on long enough. We can tell the Air Force and the Navy and the other agencies involved in this criminal activity, "No, You may NOT own the Weather ...Period!" We may not have another chance.

On behalf of the members of Chemtrail Tracking USA, Clifford Carnicom's Board, Chemtrail Central and the many other groups and individuals working diligently to get accountability, we urge your listeners to respond. Contact government and media, demand answers. If not now, when?

We know what we see. We did not consent. We want it stopped.

To see text of HR 2977:
www.carnicom.com...


Rep. Kucinich's Bill is also listed at this US Government site:

thomas.loc.gov...:./list/c107h.lst:2901


Note regarding particulars of HR 2977 -

The 'Space Preservation Act of 2001' deals mainly with space as defined by ALTITUDE. Granted, we don't receive reports of chemtrails or contrails in space.

The bill states "SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS. In this Act:

(1) The term 'space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space."

However, in Section 7, 2 (C) it states.

"The term 'exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or CLIMATE, WEATHER, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space." (emphasis added.)

This would definately include the altitude at which chemtrails are found.

In addition, in Section 7 - Definitions, it is stated in (2)(A) "The terms 'weapon' and 'weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following: (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person."

Here, of course, the word "vicinity" would need further definition. But chemtrails fit the bill (pun intended) as a weapons program that is threatening the biological life, bodily health, mental health, and the physical and economic well-being of millions of people.

HR 2977 has a lot to be desired as a bill in relation to chemtrails. This in no way negates the fact that chemtrails have been named as an exotic weapon in a congressional document.

For battle weary chemtrail researchers and activists, this is very important. Whether Rep. Kucinich intended it or not, he has handed us the can opener to the biggest can of worms he has probably ever seen. We intend, with our flags in hand, and as loud a voice as can be collectively gathered, to open the can. -LK


www.rense.com...

www.carnicom.com...

the 2002 version was changed completely......they removed the chemtrails.

www.fas.org...

There is not a single credible doctor that is making that connection because there is no way to show such a connection. No one has yet to produce any tangible proof of chemtrails or the supposed chemical that they are made with, so there is no way to correlate it with a disease. In fact, most credible doctors and scientists that work with Morgellons are correlating it with a plant disease. It seems that it is similar to a fungal infection due to the presence of cellulose in the fibers. Most likely it is a type of fungal infection that attacks those with a lowered immune system.