It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by EliThebrave
Well there is a lot of good information here, people have been doing thier research. However, there is something in particular people i think are failing to mention. A lot of the jewish animosity goes back towards the end of WW1- actually ZIONIST.
Long story short, the war ended and the British and Germans met to formally end the war. The Zionists stepped in and asked for thier end of the bargain to be granted. The Germans sitting right there, saw this... and were pissed! Who wouldnt be. "why have our own citizens that weve given refuge to from russia sell us out like this." After the war- we all know how Germany was forced to pay MASSIVE reparations. Well, justified in my opinion, they left some of the burden of the reparations on the shoulders of the wealthy backstabbing Zionists who caused them to lose the war.
The Zionists however, as we all know, do not like to pay for thier crimes or serve any kind of punishment.
Another interesting fact about the holocaust however, it was only NON ETHNIC jews apparently that were rounded up to the camps.
Dont think that in any way am i trying to justify the actions of what took place in those camps, however i do agree with some, that we are being lied to about what really went on in those camps. And how it got there.
Originally posted by grover
BLAH BLAH BLAH....
... you holocaust deniers always ignore the testimonies of both the survivors and the rank and file troops who liberated the camps.
Originally posted by DisInfo
They deny it because the hearts of these people are racist against Jews or something.
I find it funny that one poster went out of their way to get angry because the Jews are always thinking of themselves in terms of the Holocaust.
While it is true that there were millions of other people that were not Jews that were killed, the Jews were targeted even before Hitler came to power.
Its no wonder that the Jews are worried that they are about to be snuffed out, because they damn near were 70 years ago.
Originally posted by queenannie38
The way I see it, the ultimate cause of WWII was WWI.
And WWI was fueled by slow communication, pettiness and rivalry among Europe's noble ruling class, and a tangle of national treaties that was like a domino effect! Sparked by the assassination of an Archduke and his wife who NO ONE liked - including his own family!
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Why would Churchill write of the Holocaust?
Why would Eisenhower? Or de Gaulle? None of them witnessed it first hand.
Is it just Auschwitz that you have a problem with, or is it just the Jews?
Do you deny the massacre at Lidice? Or Ordane-sur-Glane? Are they more probable in your mind because they do not include Jewish victims?
Perhaps you could explain what exactly it is about the Jewish experience that you have a problem with. Why do you think that is untrue when set against a period when race and nationalism were the means by which all lived and died?
The Germans were not unique.
That way you can develop an opinion of your own instead of prostituting yourself to theirs.
Originally posted by non-Jew
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge
In answer to your question about where are all the Jews -- I think they're all living in the St. Louis area. Please get them out of here - they're multiplying by the numbers -- I guess making up for those they lost. I find it interesting that the Jews never talk about anyone else being lost in the Holocaust - like 3 million Christians. Typical Jew thought - think only about themselves. Blaim it on their parents.
Originally posted by non-Jew
Jews have a tendency to set themselves apart from everyone else.
why is it that I've never met a poor Jew?
Last comment: Get over the Holocaust and get on with life!! We Christians don't go on and on about it. So get over it!!!
Originally posted by DisInfo
They deny it because the hearts of these people are racist against Jews or something.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
Originally posted by DisInfo
They deny it because the hearts of these people are racist against Jews or something.
You know, I really, really hate that kind of statement. It is fallacious & completely devoid of any form of intellectual reasoning.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
The notion that questioning whether some event in history occured or not, no matter how strongly you may feel about it, does not make the person asking the question a racist - the mere suggestion of racism is nothing more than a lazy & unqualified attempt to discredit & blacken the name of the person that it is aimed at.
The simple truth, whether you choose to accept it or not, is that no one really knows whether the holocaust occured or not, unless you personally were there.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
Documents claiming to show x or y are merely CLAIMING to show the truth, you either accept them at face value - not usually a wise thing to do, or you dismiss them - not necessarily a wise thing either.
The truth is that you can easily see that it might be desirable for the Allies to claim, falsley, that the holocaust happened in order to ensure the total destruction of Nazism, & so it is possible that that is what happened.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
We firebombed cities full of civilians - not military targets -
Originally posted by Power_Semi
I'm still not saying it didn't happen though, I don't know because I wasn't there.
Originally posted by Zealott
That is one of the most brilliant posts I've ever read. I feel it is worthy of it's own topic. So many people just don't get this one common sense idea. Why did so many of the germans hate the jews to such an extent.
Originally posted by Zealott
It isn't just because. Either you can beleive that the jews are an evil vampiric race like the poster non-jew claims. Or you can look at an organization that just so happens to be from jewish roots giving the rest at the time a very bad name.
Originally posted by Zealott
Not saying the jews had it coming
Originally posted by queenannie38
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Why would Churchill write of the Holocaust?
Because he was the only one left! And he had talked out of both sides of his mouth during the whole ordeal! So he worked hard to get his version established as HISTORICAL FACT. He had to cover up the things that he did with Hitler's atrocities! QUICKLY.
Originally posted by queenannie38
So now...the consensus view of the world is that Britain and the US were heroes that saved the world from Hitler's desire to RULE IT ALL.
Hitler NEVER said he wanted to rule the world! At least not that anyone recorded or wrote down
His goal was to lead Germany into a good life after WWI. He desired that Germans would live free of debt, fear, and hunger; he wanted them to have happy family lives and be satisfied in their work.
Originally posted by queenannie38
This I know because that is what his speeches were about for the first 5 years.
For us there are only two possiblities: either we remain German or we come under the thumb of the Jews. This latter must not occur; even if we are small, we are a force. A well-organized group can conquer a strong enemy. If you stick close together and keep bringing in new people, we will be victorious over the Jews.
The Jew has not grown poorer: he gradually gets bloated, and, if you don't believe me, I would ask you to go to one of our health-resorts; there you will find two sorts of visitors: the German who goes there, perhaps for the first time for a long while, to breathe a little fresh air and to recover his health, and the Jew who goes there to lose his fat. And if you go out to our mountains, whom do you find there in fine brand-new yellow boots with splendid rucksacks in which there is generally nothing that would really be of any use? And why are they there? They go up to the hotel, usually no further than the train can take them: where the train stops, they stop too. And then they sit about somewhere within a mile from the hotel, like blow-flies round a corpse.
Could the Freemasons perhaps stop the war? - this most noble of philanthropic institutions who foretold the good fortune of the people louder than anyone and who at the same time was the principal leader in promoting the war. Who, after all, are the Freemasons? You have to distinguish two grades. To the lower grade in Germany belong the ordinary citizens who through the claptrap which is served up to them can feel themselves to be 'somebodies,' but the responsible authorities are those many-sided folk who can stand any climate, those 300 Rathenaus who all know each other, who guide the history of the world over the heads of Kings and Presidents, those who will undertake any office without scruples, who know how brutally to enslave all peoples - once more the Jews!
Originally posted by queenannie38
But what's wrong with that? He was a German! He was their savior and the people loved him! The old people who still are living today still hide their little rooms, their Hitler-candy shrines, from the younger generations. They STILL love Hitler but cannot say so!
Originally posted by queenannie38
Germany recovered from WWI splendidly long before anyone else could hope to! Germany, to this day, is a lovely, well-ordered and efficiently run country!
EVERYONE should have just left Germany alone and worked on their own national recovery!
Originally posted by queenannie38
But instead jealousy got the best of Churchill and Stalin caught the Imperialism bug.
The US had NO BUSINESS, whatsoever, in the WAR IN EUROPE! We had a fight in the Pacific. Which we won. And we also fought Churchill's war in Europe. As well as financed it!
Originally posted by queenannie38
Why would Eisenhower? Or de Gaulle? None of them witnessed it first hand.
Surely you jest!
Eisenhower didn't witness the war first-hand? Perhaps you made a mistake?
DeGaulle was there, too.
Originally posted by queenannie38
Is it just Auschwitz that you have a problem with, or is it just the Jews?
I have a problem with opinions being considered as facts - not because my own opinion is different but because when I started to investigate, I discovered that our so-called modern HISTORY (at least most of it during those years) is actually MYTHOLOGY. What we know of Alexander the Great and even the Spartans and Persians is far more accurate than what we BELIEVE took place within the last century!
Originally posted by queenannie38
Do you deny the massacre at Lidice? Or Ordane-sur-Glane? Are they more probable in your mind because they do not include Jewish victims?
What about Saipan and Guam and Iwo Jima?
What about Ira Hayes?
Alejandro Ruiz? ( a local hero )
What about my own dad?
The war against the Japanese was the war that was ours to fight - the US of A!
Did you know that D-Day was not just in France?
Have you heard of the 27th infantry?
Originally posted by queenannie38
Perhaps you could explain what exactly it is about the Jewish experience that you have a problem with. Why do you think that is untrue when set against a period when race and nationalism were the means by which all lived and died?
We still do. Imperialism is no longer a problem and nationalism only causes problems when we try to take it beyond our own boundaries! What was wrong with Germany wanting to be proud of their country and to prosper and be happy? Why was it bad to be a Nazi? It was't a problem for anyone INSIDE of Germany....only those who were outside looking in!
Originally posted by queenannie38
The Germans were not unique.
Sure they are. So are Americans. And Italians. etc. Each country has strengths and weaknesses just as individuals do. The Germans EXCEL at technology! As well as efficiency! They always have and probably always will.
Originally posted by queenannie38
Part of what makes America what it is, originated in Hitler's Germany.
Such as safe and fair workplaces which do not exploit children or women.
Breast self-exams to prevent cancer.
Our highway system.
Our success in the race to the moon.
'Black box' technology to investigate public transportation disasters.
Originally posted by queenannie38
That way you can develop an opinion of your own instead of prostituting yourself to theirs.
I no longer have an opinion about any of it. I found out what happened and realized opinions are useless in history.
BUT yet...history IS OPINION. At least what we are taught in school is. And that isn't an opinion. It is what I found out when I looked FOR MYSELF.
Originally posted by queenannie38
If you had, then surely you would have known who had commanded the troops of the US and France!
Originally posted by queenannie38
You made NO reference to the other HALF of the war which was NOT in Europe - there were TWO main theaters in WWII: European & Pacific, plus a minor one in North Africa.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
That isn't what I said, I said you can't really know if it happened or not if you weren't there, I didn't say that it definitely didn't happen.
You either deliberately misrepresent what I said or you don't understand.
Originally posted by Power_Semi
Also, with regards to dropping bombs in WW2 - you know damned well where you're dropping firebombs when you're over a major city. They are designed to burn & destroy buildings, & inevitably that involved killing everyone who is there.
To try & excuse that just highlights my point - some people just have it in their heads that we're the "good guys" & therefore everything that we do is justified by one means or another, whilst any claims aimed at the "bad guys" must be true & they are inexcusable..