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Texas School Suspends Student for Answering Call in Class From Dad in Iraq

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posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by jfj123
 


Too bad these "bullets" have FREE WILL .


What a poor argument..



So you don't blame the administration for lying and starting the war but the soldiers who are just doing their jobs?

So if the company that loads your dads truck, puts illegal cargo in it, your dad should go to jail regardless of whether or not he knows the cargo is illegal.


YES my father is responsible for checking his own load . That means going over everything and looking for possible things out of place and accounting for every package before he leaves. So the company at the other end cant claim something wasn't shipped.
That IS his job ya know..


Excellent so if the company hides something that he didn't find, he goes to jail and too bad for him because he was the driver and it's all his fault so prison time belongs to him WITHOUT MERCY or EXCUSE. He gets to rot in a cell.
Well if that's how you feel, fair enough. I hope for your dads sake, something like that never happens to him as you will have no compassion for him and you will say he volunteered so he deserves what he gets.


The company pays for everything . Tickets fines lawyers. ect. If he makes a mistake and or gets duped . I guess thats what his union lawyer is for .
It wont be hard to prove he never touched the package . And besides if a trailer is sealed before he gets it . How could he put something inside the trailer?




posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by brill
I'm with Jedimiller on this. The school has rules and like it or not those rules need to be adhered to. I don't buy the argument that just because its a soldier calling his son from the battlefield that those rules should be relaxed. If memory serves the father signed up/volunteered for service. Take your lumps. The school can't just look the other way because then you've drawn a new line in the sand for other violations of school policy. Where does it end? I don't think the military would take too kindly to having their families calling their soldiers ad-hock regardless of the plausibility. Rules are rules.

brill

[edit on 13-4-2008 by brill]


There are many, many military families that are apart for LONG periods of time and it is VERY common. Schools can easily implement a policy to allow short conversations with loved ones serving overseas. It's called supported the troops and giving back to them a little of what they've given for us.


That is why I think there is something more than just the "rules" at play here. They don't support the troops, the kids or families in general... This wasn't about some kid talking to his father. It was about the left wing of this country chipping away at the normal family structure in this country.

If its abnormal it is accepted and celebrated. If its traditional and therefore normal it is demonized. That is the real "rule" that was broken here and it is unspoken but very well understood. There is an attack on the normal family structure and the left wing is in full battle mode.

They lost this one big time. Yes, the kid got punished but I think the school got punished a lot more and rightfully so...



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Who is this "left wing" guy you speak of ? I didn't see his posts in this thread. I dont have anyone on ignore yet . Did i miss something ?

Ohhh the blame game.. Shift the blame to the "leftists" i see . Well . I suppose if there trying to destroy your precious values they have to be out to get you .

[edit on 13-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by jfj123


No the war comes from the Bush administration. The troops are like a bullet in a gun. Do you blame the bullet when someone pulls the trigger or do you blame the person that pulled the trigger?


Except these soliders have a brain and free will. Bullets don't.

But your right about one thing both the bullets and the soldiers are slaves to their owners.

[edit on 13-4-2008 by _Phoenix_]


Soldiers can think for themselves but violating the rules has consequences. If you violate the rules at your job, you might get fired. If a soldier violates the rules they will go to jail or worse. Soldiers trust that the orders they are given are moral and just. If all soldiers questioned all orders, there would be no functioning army and nobody to protect you and I.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by Perplexed
 


HE seals the trailer... Do you know anything at all about the trucking industry?

He also loads it . He NEVER gets an already sealed trailer.


Once the trailer is sealed at pick-up, the shipment remains undisturbed until delivered

From YOUR source . Lol did you even read it?
www.roadway.com...

[edit on 13-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


Not all truckers load their own trailers
Not all truckers inspect their own cargo
Not all truckers seal their own trailers



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by jfj123
 


Too bad these "bullets" have FREE WILL .


What a poor argument..



So you don't blame the administration for lying and starting the war but the soldiers who are just doing their jobs?

So if the company that loads your dads truck, puts illegal cargo in it, your dad should go to jail regardless of whether or not he knows the cargo is illegal.


YES my father is responsible for checking his own load . That means going over everything and looking for possible things out of place and accounting for every package before he leaves. So the company at the other end cant claim something wasn't shipped.
That IS his job ya know..


Excellent so if the company hides something that he didn't find, he goes to jail and too bad for him because he was the driver and it's all his fault so prison time belongs to him WITHOUT MERCY or EXCUSE. He gets to rot in a cell.
Well if that's how you feel, fair enough. I hope for your dads sake, something like that never happens to him as you will have no compassion for him and you will say he volunteered so he deserves what he gets.


The company pays for everything . Tickets fines lawyers. ect. If he makes a mistake and or gets duped . I guess thats what his union lawyer is for .
It wont be hard to prove he never touched the package . And besides if a trailer is sealed before he gets it . How could he put something inside the trailer?


But by your sense of the rules he should pay no matter what... Black and white remember. No common sense... Just toss him in jail. It doesn't matter that there were mitigating circumstances as is the case with this kid and his father. Nope, your dad is guilty. He is at fault and he must go to jail for life...



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by jfj123


No the war comes from the Bush administration. The troops are like a bullet in a gun. Do you blame the bullet when someone pulls the trigger or do you blame the person that pulled the trigger?


Except these soliders have a brain and free will. Bullets don't.

But your right about one thing both the bullets and the soldiers are slaves to their owners.

[edit on 13-4-2008 by _Phoenix_]


Soldiers can think for themselves but violating the rules has consequences. If you violate the rules at your job, you might get fired. If a soldier violates the rules they will go to jail or worse. Soldiers trust that the orders they are given are moral and just. If all soldiers questioned all orders, there would be no functioning army and nobody to protect you and I.


Just as if a kid violates the rules at school he gets suspended? Wow thanks for turning o the "dark side" and proving our points. Didnt expect that one.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by Perplexed
 


HE seals the trailer... Do you know anything at all about the trucking industry?

He also loads it . He NEVER gets an already sealed trailer.


Once the trailer is sealed at pick-up, the shipment remains undisturbed until delivered

From YOUR source . Lol did you even read it?
www.roadway.com...

[edit on 13-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


Not all truckers load their own trailers
Not all truckers inspect their own cargo
Not all truckers seal their own trailers



How many truckers are we talking about here ? I thought only the one. wow i must miss allot.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by Perplexed
 


Who is this "left wing" guy you speak of ? I didn't see his posts in this thread. I dont have anyone on ignore yet . Did i miss something ?

Ohhh the blame game.. Shift the blame to the "leftists" i see . Well . I suppose if there trying to destroy your precious values they have to be out to get you .

[edit on 13-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


They were out to get this kid and his father. It did back fire though didn't it? The kid is vindicated through the support of many more than the likes of you that that despise the love for a father and son that is for sure.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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But by your sense of the rules he should pay no matter what... Black and white remember. No common sense... Just toss him in jail. It doesn't matter that there were mitigating circumstances as is the case with this kid and his father. Nope, your dad is guilty. He is at fault and he must go to jail for life...


Where in "the rules" does it say that? Theres a court system to decide these things .



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Perplexed

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by Perplexed
 


Who is this "left wing" guy you speak of ? I didn't see his posts in this thread. I dont have anyone on ignore yet . Did i miss something ?

Ohhh the blame game.. Shift the blame to the "leftists" i see . Well . I suppose if there trying to destroy your precious values they have to be out to get you .

[edit on 13-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


They were out to get this kid and his father. It did back fire though didn't it? The kid is vindicated through the support of many more than the likes of you that that despise the love for a father and son that is for sure.


Who is "they" ? And how the heck do you know what "they" think or want . I didn't read ANYTHING in that article that implied that at all . Your just making stuff up now.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by jfj123
 


I promote peace and love and good will to all man kind.

Originally posted by jfj123
Not based on your posts.

Please point out where im spreading hate or anything like it?

My opinion. I calls em as I sees em.


And your just promoting hate murder violence

Originally posted by jfj123
I have never said or implied that here in any way. I personally believe the Iraq war is illegal and the current administration should be jailed for violating constitutional lawS.

Good then you should see every death as a murder . exactly what it is .
You said every death is murder. Soldiers died so they were murdered so why are you not OUTRAGED about fellow countryman being MURDERED?


and think that soldiers kids are special cause there daddy are off murdering people somewhere . boo hoo

Originally posted by jfj123
How sad people actually think as you do.


Its really sad more dont..
I'm thankful more don't or I would need to find a real country to live in.


I'm the bad guy ?


Originally posted by jfj123YES !!!

Says you..
Just my opinion but based on posts, I'm in the majority



I ASK the world to think . I dont tell them or even think they will listen . Especially not with all these murders happening all day every day .

Originally posted by jfj123
Even someone is shooting at you and you shoot back, are you a murderer or are you defending yourself. If someone is shooting at innocent people and you shoot them to save those people, are you a murderer or a hero?


If im illegally invading there country and killing there familys . I say murder. Same as if you broke into a house and killed the people that had a gun to defend there home.
No you said all killing is murder so the soldiers were murdered too.


Bring the troops home . Problem solved..

Originally posted by jfj123
This is the ONLY thing you've said that I agree with. Bring our BRAVE soldiers home NOW.


Glad we agree on something i suppose.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by jfj123


No the war comes from the Bush administration. The troops are like a bullet in a gun. Do you blame the bullet when someone pulls the trigger or do you blame the person that pulled the trigger?


Except these soliders have a brain and free will. Bullets don't.

But your right about one thing both the bullets and the soldiers are slaves to their owners.

[edit on 13-4-2008 by _Phoenix_]


Soldiers can think for themselves but violating the rules has consequences. If you violate the rules at your job, you might get fired. If a soldier violates the rules they will go to jail or worse. Soldiers trust that the orders they are given are moral and just. If all soldiers questioned all orders, there would be no functioning army and nobody to protect you and I.


Just as if a kid violates the rules at school he gets suspended? Wow thanks for turning o the "dark side" and proving our points. Didnt expect that one.


There's a difference between wanting to speak to a loved one in harms way and committing treason. Hopefully once you get into college, a few ethics classes will help you clear up your misunderstandings.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by Perplexed
 


HE seals the trailer... Do you know anything at all about the trucking industry?

He also loads it . He NEVER gets an already sealed trailer.


Once the trailer is sealed at pick-up, the shipment remains undisturbed until delivered

From YOUR source . Lol did you even read it?
www.roadway.com...

[edit on 13-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


Not all truckers load their own trailers
Not all truckers inspect their own cargo
Not all truckers seal their own trailers



How many truckers are we talking about here ? I thought only the one. wow i must miss allot.


We are talking about your father. He is a trucker and you have no idea how he gets his job done. If he did it the way you say he does it he wouldn't have a job. You are living in a fantasy world.

I woudl bet 9 loads out of 10 your dad doesn't watch. The one he does watch he is probably board from waiting. It has nothing to do with whats on the load. It's all about how its loaded and getting it delivered and picking up the next load. That's what truckers do to make a living. They don't inspect every crate or box as you would have us believe.

Your dad probably breaks a ton of DOT rules to get his job done. I don't blame him for it. If he didn't he would be like you and get no where in life. Do you know how may DOT rules there are for trukers? Your dad breaks more rules every day on the job than you think.... Is your dad really a trucker or are you fibbing us here?

[edit on 01/01/2008 by Perplexed]



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
My opinion. I calls em as I sees em.

Thats nice ..

Originally posted by jfj123
No you said all killing is murder so the soldiers were murdered too.

No you said i said it . Please show me the quote.

The soldiers were INVADING.. Not DEFENDING.. Little bit of a difference there . Are you saying you would just stand there as someone ravaged your home country?



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by Perplexed
 


HE seals the trailer... Do you know anything at all about the trucking industry?

He also loads it . He NEVER gets an already sealed trailer.


Once the trailer is sealed at pick-up, the shipment remains undisturbed until delivered

From YOUR source . Lol did you even read it?
www.roadway.com...

[edit on 13-4-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


Not all truckers load their own trailers
Not all truckers inspect their own cargo
Not all truckers seal their own trailers



How many truckers are we talking about here ? I thought only the one. wow i must miss allot.


OK I highly doubt that your dad knows what is inside every little package that goes into his truck, every time. I doubt that he watches the loading process so closely that one dishonest loader couldn't hide one little illegal package in his truck, under his truck, somewhere in the cab, etc..

And if someone does, based on your logic, it's too bad for your dad and you won't care if he goes to jail because it's his problem. I'm sure he'd be upset to know you would refuse to support him even though he is innocent.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by jfj123


No the war comes from the Bush administration. The troops are like a bullet in a gun. Do you blame the bullet when someone pulls the trigger or do you blame the person that pulled the trigger?


Except these soliders have a brain and free will. Bullets don't.

But your right about one thing both the bullets and the soldiers are slaves to their owners.

[edit on 13-4-2008 by _Phoenix_]


Soldiers can think for themselves but violating the rules has consequences. If you violate the rules at your job, you might get fired. If a soldier violates the rules they will go to jail or worse. Soldiers trust that the orders they are given are moral and just. If all soldiers questioned all orders, there would be no functioning army and nobody to protect you and I.


Just as if a kid violates the rules at school he gets suspended? Wow thanks for turning o the "dark side" and proving our points. Didnt expect that one.


There's a difference between wanting to speak to a loved one in harms way and committing treason. Hopefully once you get into college, a few ethics classes will help you clear up your misunderstandings.


Thanks . But i graduated in "96" Why are you trying to get involved in my life? Lets get on the topic here . Mods asked to keep this non personal . You guys just don't like rules at all eh?



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posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
OK I highly doubt that your dad knows what is inside every little package that goes into his truck, every time. I doubt that he watches the loading process so closely that one dishonest loader couldn't hide one little illegal package in his truck, under his truck, somewhere in the cab, etc..

And if someone does, based on your logic, it's too bad for your dad and you won't care if he goes to jail because it's his problem. I'm sure he'd be upset to know you would refuse to support him even though he is innocent.


Yeah cause this is sooo relative to the topic. Was this kid FRAMED? NO
He broke the rules KNOWINGLY .

Your tactics are weak at best.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05

Originally posted by jfj123
My opinion. I calls em as I sees em.

Thats nice ..

Originally posted by jfj123
No you said all killing is murder so the soldiers were murdered too.

No you said i said it . Please show me the quote.

Ok here's your quote

Good then you should see every death as a murder . exactly what it is .

EVERY DEATH AS A MURDER. EVERY... DEATH...




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