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Texas School Suspends Student for Answering Call in Class From Dad in Iraq

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posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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I AM an American. Everyones Dad might die today!!! Are soldiers the only ones to risk death? How many death notoces are announced nationwide every day? Hundreds of thousands, right? How many are soldiers? Maybe three or four IF they have a bad day over in oil land.

You never answered ONE point of mine....not one. All youy can do is wring your hands and call me out for believing as I do. I do not hate America, just the lies and nonsense. If 20 students have a parent in Iraq, etc, should all 20 be allowed to interrupt class with cell phones? Why not? I mean, if the rules are not for soldiers then throw then out and allow all kids of soldiers to disobey and and all rules as long as Daddy gets to talk to Jr. whenever he wants to.

If a trruck drivers Dad gets killed on the road today, how is that different? Why can't HE call and stop class as well? just because he is driving a truck over here and not over there? Give it a rest until you get some facts behind you...and logic. What is good for the goose....




posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 09:25 AM
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I agree that the school is in the right on this one.

The father should have done the right thing and called the school's office and asked his child to be pulled from class and go down to the office to take the call.

There is no reason for a parent to call their child while they are in class. Parents need to call the school, not the child.

And if that kid wasn't supposed to have their phone on, take the punishment and move on. You decided to break a pretty simple rule by having the phone on, take the heat when you get caught. It's not the end of the world.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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Ok just imagine if these soldiers actually had enough pride and self will to say, we are not going to fight. This war is pointless and is taking innocent lives, so were not fighting. If they did that than we wouldn't have this war, and this whole situation wouldn't have happened.

But were going to keep having these pointless wars and innocent people being killed for no reason until these soldiers actually have enough pride to stand up for whats right. There wouldn't be war if the people refused to fight for their corrupt leaders.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 11:14 AM
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As a teacher I don' take my calls unless its an emergency while I'm teaching. I remind friends and relatives not to call me at the times that I am teaching unless something is important that requires them to call me at a bad time.

If his dad wants a conversation with his son, call him at a time when his son is at home, not while in class. Don't want to send a message to the rest of the class and to the school that kids can now talk to their parents while teachers are trying to teach when there is no freaking emergency!

Unless his dad is about to die after getting hit by an IED and wants to call his son while bleeding to death, I won't take it as an excuse.

For example, I told one student to put her iphone away when she is suppose to be doing a project and she tells me that shes on the phone talking with her mom. WTH!! She tells me that she was talking to her mom about the project, I just ignore her excuse and tell her to put it away. Anyways I know she is lying because she was talking about something else that is not related to the project.



[edit on 14-4-2008 by deltaboy]



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by theendisnear69
Ok just imagine if these soldiers actually had enough pride and self will to say, we are not going to fight. This war is pointless and is taking innocent lives, so were not fighting. If they did that than we wouldn't have this war, and this whole situation wouldn't have happened.

But were going to keep having these pointless wars and innocent people being killed for no reason until these soldiers actually have enough pride to stand up for whats right. There wouldn't be war if the people refused to fight for their corrupt leaders.


You've got a point, however, you have to consider the consequences if we flat out refuse to fight. Did you know that by military regulations if you were to go AWOL or be a deserter or just plain refuse the fight the Military cangive you the death penalty since we are in a time of war? Althoughiadmit that is a bit extreme andmost likely wont happen, it could. But they would put us in jail and that as long as my fellow soldiers, marines, airman and sailors is something I am not willing to do. I am in the Army and hate this war and our president as much as anyone else does. But the military is taking care of me and my family. So Iam kinda stuck ya know? Not to mention how we wouldlook to the rest of the world if we flat out refuse. I could be wrong I admit, but if so please correct me.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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I understand that your doing it so you can put food on the table for your family. So let me rephrase what I was trying to say. People who aren't in the military should not sign up. If we the people keep giving the government fresh recruits they can stay in Iraq for as long as they want. So yeah it would be kinda stupid for the soldiers that are allready serving to just stop, because there would be serious repercussions. And it might be their only source of income.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by theendisnear69
reply to post by ccantey6204
 


I understand that your doing it so you can put food on the table for your family. So let me rephrase what I was trying to say. People who aren't in the military should not sign up. If we the people keep giving the government fresh recruits they can stay in Iraq for as long as they want. So yeah it would be kinda stupid for the soldiers that are allready serving to just stop, because there would be serious repercussions. And it might be their only source of income.



I definitely feel you on that one. I have one idea that may evenbe better than the military just stopping though. I am a big history buff and in times like these I like to look back on France with King Louis and Marie Antoinette. The people did not agree with their ways so had an uprising which ultimately got them both beheaded. Same thing during WW2 when the Italians hanged their tyrant leader Mussolini. I am not saying we should kill our goverment leaders,but could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if Amercans had an uprising in DC? What I want people from other countries to realize is that it is not the military that caused this war and not every soldier or american for that matter likes bush as so many British people have said on here ( nothing but love for you Brits though). Honestly most of us hate him with a passion. I dont like any of the candidates we have this year and I wish the ballots had a block for "None of the Above" Gore would have been great but after the Manbearpig episode of South Park I found it hard to not laugh everytime Isee him.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Yeah we definitley need some sort of revolution here in America. That's why I try to go to as many protests as I possibly can.

manbearpig that's hilarious
one of my more favorite episodes.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 12:09 PM
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man to think theres people in our country that think like you is scary.
your ideas are idiotic, everything youve said is straight out ignorant.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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if this war is still going on in a year when i getthe hell outta the Army I will be right there beside you protesting for sure. But until then I have to be a good little soldier or else ...yes you guessed it.....JAIL TIME!!!



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by ccantey6204
reply to post by theendisnear69
 


if this war is still going on in a year when i getthe hell outta the Army I will be right there beside you protesting for sure. But until then I have to be a good little soldier or else ...yes you guessed it.....JAIL TIME!!!


so your a soldier? yet you dont support the war? why?



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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Honestly??? Most of us have no idea what we are fighting for. Most soldiers want to go because they get paid alot more money and it is non taxable. We went to war over lies. If anywhere we should have 140000 boots on the ground in afghanistan not iraq. Just because I am a soldier doesnt mean Ihave to support the war. I think it is BS. Considering all of the militarys top brass EXCEPT Bush's lapdog Petraeus has said time and time again that it is time topack upand come home. Iraq can not be won militarily, it has to be Politically. We created the insurgents. There was no Al-Qaida in Iraq until we went in. And the longerwe are there the more insurgents will come. I meanlook at the Iraqi Army in Basra. Most of them refused to fight and in turn were released. Americans dont have that choice. We dont fight we go to jail, lose rank, and get a dishonorable discharge for failure to follow orders, and that follows you your whole life and you will havea hard time getting a job. But yea, I am a soldier and dont agree with the war.......and I am proud of it. Not many soldiers do agree with it, although there are some who do. But those who do were just some of the millions who were brainwashed.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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I for one supported the war when it first started, and I know that the majority of American's supported it to, they had alot of us fooled. So I can't say anything about the soldiers who joined, and don't support the war now, because I supported it at one time. We were all lied to and alot of people joined the military because the government got us really patriotic. The soldiers thought we were fighting for a just cause, and now that alot of soldiers know that's not true it's not like they can just get up and walk out. They could face serious jail time, and they have families to take care of.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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The funny thing about this whole case of the girl answering a call from her dad in Iraq and getting suspended for it, is that the government will strictly uphold the laws when it comes to us citizen's and their children but they look the other way when it comes to illegals residing in our country. All I see is a big sign saying " Free Health Care & Schooling Come And Get It!" Don't worry the American tax dollars will pay your way, come on over. Rules are rules and she broke the rules and will have to suffer the consequences while others get a free pass. So much for laws in this country anymore.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 06:01 PM
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I simply don't understand what the big deal is. Let the person talk to her dad outside of class for a short period of time. Maybe the dad was going on a particularly dangerous mission and this may be the last time he could talk to his daughter. Give the military personnel and their families a friggin break people !!! They die to keep you free SHOW SOME RESPECT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 08:03 PM
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My father died last year.

I am glad he never had to go away to war when I was a kid. But regardless of wherever I was at the time, I know that if he was and he called me, I could care less what anyone tried to do or say. There would be no one coming between me and answering a call from my father.
That's just the way it is. And if a school can't handle it, then that school's funding should be cut off and everyone fired. Pull all support.

When a man far away from home in a strange land only wishes to talk to his kid, no one must ever be allowed to thwart that wish. He could be killed tomorrow.

This government and the school system is an absolute disgrace.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 08:08 PM
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Please stay on topic and discuss the issue not each other.

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posted on Apr, 15 2008 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by jedimiller
rules are rules guys. No cellphones in class. Doesn't matter who it is. I think the school did the right thing. So the guy is in Iraq, who isn't? They could have emailed eachother. And why is the dad calling the kid in the middle of the night? shouldn't he be sleeping. I'm not a supporter of the war or the troops. So I don't feel for this story as others do.


Thanks jedimiller!
you've now made aware that I should never take anything you say seriously.

not a supporter of the troops eh?
so, you dont support regular people making a living and trying to raise a family.
you dont support the father, or mother, that is away from their child because they are serving some administration that even they dont agree with...
well, you must live a privileged life.
if only all of us had your patriotism... not for the war, or even America, but Americans themselves...

... wow dude... i hope you dont think of yourself as a humanitarian.

 


to stay on topic...

yeah, not only should the kid be allowed to take the call from a family member (because if a family member calls when your in school its obviously important), but this is an insult to the father putting his life on the line.
an insult...

[edit on 15-4-2008 by Odessy]



posted on Apr, 15 2008 @ 12:46 AM
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It's actually an insult to the american people and the youth of america to not take a call from a government employee at a government school.


Edit to say: Is a soldier a government employee?

[edit on 4/15/2008 by Solarskye]



posted on Apr, 15 2008 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by jedimiller
My last post for the night. Soldiers are not supposed to be making phone calls, surfing the internet and playing video games. I've heard from many friends talk about what they did in the military. Usually, they waste time sitting around playing poker and drinking. Soldiers at war don't have time to call their kids and make calls like these..and they shouldn't because it makes them weak.


wrong... it makes them human...
hopefully thats all our soldiers have to do over there instead of killing people or getting killed...
If we can let soldiers have some time with friends or on the internet playing games, great, enjoying life reminds them what they are trying to do... save life...
how can you say in one post that our soldiers are just killing innocent people, and then say in another post that all they are doing is playing video games and drinking?
good god man.
I am sooo happy not to know you in person, and very saddened that we ahre the same online community...
fortunately, most everyone on here, as from reading their replies, don't agree with you.
so I know I'm in the right place... are you?

 


to stay on topic to protect my thread from being deleted...

Many times in class my professor's phone would go off.
most of the time they would ignore it and apologize for the interruptions, but other times, if it was a family member they would answer, and sometimes even talk.

and from reading some other posts that agree with the rule unless its an emergency, well, I think you all forgetting the situation.
the dad was probably given only a limited amount of time to talk on the phone.
unlike us, they have a time frame to use their calls.
If he wants to talk to his kid, good for him.

I also saw a remark that its not an emergency unless hes dying or was hit by an IED...??? WHAT? so he should call after potential death than before?
So if I have something I want to say to my mom, I should wait until after I drive an get home, unless I get in a fatal accident on my way home.
Heck no man! I'll call them when I want despite what they are doing!
I've called my dad in board meetings before.
Adults understand that!
I don't see why the school doesn't.
family members should be allowed to talk to their child whenever they want.
If it disrupts the class, the kid should just walk out and take the call outside.

[edit on 15-4-2008 by Odessy]



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