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The Coming War With Iran

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posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 10:22 AM
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Mdv2 is a real riot. I like how he switched from giving credit for winning WWII to the Soviet Union in one post, but then retracted and began blaming the start of the war on Britain and PM Chamberlain.

WWII was extremely complex and much of the dynamic is still being researched and debated. But heres what we ignored in WWII: The Holocaust. There were reports about systematic gassing of Jews well before 1940. Because of anti-Semitic attitudes of the era, the entire world blindly let over 6 million people be executed.

Where Hitler was fairly quite about his genocide program, Iran on almost a weekly basis calls on the destruction of Israel and supporters of that country. Most anyone with a brain knows that the nuclear program is just a cover to have nuclear weapons. While Iran itself might not use one against any targets, its agents in Hamas and Hezbollah could easily be given a device. The great thing about nuclear weapons is that they only have to be near a target. A device inside say the Gaza Strip or West Bank near an Israeli military checkpoint would be enough for you know what to hit the fan.

The reality is that Iranians, Palestinians and all those people hate the Jews more than they love their children and would sacrifice them in a heartbeat. At the moment, Iran is teasing the world, sort of like Saddam did for 12 years. They are going to continue on their nuclear program just to see what happens to them. The worst they can hope for is the UN demanding inspections and passing useless resolutions. By the time Iran has a viable nuclear weapon, the world will be numb to the BS that is the UN, and no one will care.

As far as leaving the Europeans alone, Im all for it. If the continent as a whole wants to be a bunch of surrender-monkeys, let them. However, just take note of your immigration trends. Countries all over Europe are being overrun with immigrants from Muslim countries. Im not calling all of them evil, as most are probably leaving their home countries for a better life. However, Id be willing to bet that there are a few fundamentalists that wouldnt mind carrying out a 9/11 of their own. Lucky for countries like Denmark, Europeans are largely pacifists and would roll over in a second.




posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
You are clueless as to the real power the United States can bring to bear on any country.


The US is a fading superpower able to bring destruction upon others. However, it's economy is on the verdge of collapse and it will collapse in the near future. Once the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia was not able to pay the costs for its military and therefore, it lost its position as superpower.

The European Union is no superpower, it's a economic superpower and will only become a superpower once it has one military, which I don't hope.



Originally posted by Sky watcher
In Iraq we took the country in weeks, Now we are trying to build a nation.


You are funny, my friend. These days wars are not fought like they were in the second world war. Learn to live with it or rather, start to change your strategy. You are not there to build up Iraq, you are there to save the Dollar (Saddam started trading his oil in Euros, which would have caused a domino effect on other countries throughout the Middle East and OPEC). Apart from that, you are there to secure the oil. You don't care at all about the Iraqi people or democracy, otherwise you would have been in Sudan, where a genocide is taking place.



Originally posted by Sky watcher
If we hit Iran it will only be a punishing air operation, We are not going to invade them and we do not want their oil. We want them to stop using terrorism and not to build a nuclear weapon otherwise we have no problems.
If the United States wanted to invade Iran we would call up the draft and smash them six feet under. Look how our Navy is being so careful as to not sink any of their stupid little gun boats and cause a war.


You would not even be capable of invading Iraq, so that option is off the table for sure. The draft is not gonna help either. Let's take the Soviets as example when they invaded Afghanistan. Thousands of troops got killed without any positive result.


Originally posted by Sky watcher
That should show all you European spineless countries that we do not want a war with them, If we did Haliburton would be building an McDonald's in Tehran right now.


Your governments wants war, and very badly. They will get war and you know it. The US is not peace loving, they are selfish and fight wars to become richer.


Originally posted by Sky watcher
We are giving peace a chance and they keep using terrorist actions in Iraq and Lebanon, As well as keep working on their nuclear weapons and missile program.


Come up with facts. Not available aight? Doesn't matter, your government will create some facts like they did with Iraq.



Originally posted by Sky watcher
We are the ones who have done nothing to them and if they keep up their terrorist activities yes we will deal with them harshly and know one will do a darn thing to stop us.


Done nothing, poor Americans. Let me ask you once again who suggested to apply sanctions upon Iran? Let me ask you who says Iran is building the bomb?

I wish you good luck with your little war and I hope you enlist for the army to defend your peace loving country *sarcasm*



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by DisInfo

Mdv2 is a real riot. I like how he switched from giving credit for winning WWII to the Soviet Union in one post, but then retracted and began blaming the start of the war on Britain and PM Chamberlain.


Thanks. However, I do not blame Britain for the start of the war. It is ironic, however, that a Brit tells us that continental Europe is spineless and how grateful we should be that Britain saved us from naughty Hitler whereas their own PM is one of the most spineless politicians in history.


Originally posted by DisInfo
WWII was extremely complex and much of the dynamic is still being researched and debated. But heres what we ignored in WWII: The Holocaust. There were reports about systematic gassing of Jews well before 1940. Because of anti-Semitic attitudes of the era, the entire world blindly let over 6 million people be executed.


Gassing has never been proven, however, a genocide did take place and the possibility that gassing has been used is likely but controversial. We, Europeans are to blame for that.


Originally posted by DisInfo
Where Hitler was fairly quite about his genocide program, Iran on almost a weekly basis calls on the destruction of Israel and supporters of that country.


Let's stay factual then. The western media once suggested Ahmadinejad suggested the destruction of Israel, although, American professors said that that specific claim is unfounded. He never suggested it, instead, he said that the Israeli regime should be removed. Personally, I support that idea.



Originally posted by DisInfo
Most anyone with a brain knows that the nuclear program is just a cover to have nuclear weapons. While Iran itself might not use one against any targets,


So what? The US and France let Israel build a full arsenal of nuclear weapons without saying a word. Iran should be allowed too. A nuclear weapons is a political and defensive weapon. Nothing wrong with that.



Originally posted by DisInfo
its agents in Hamas and Hezbollah could easily be given a device. The great thing about nuclear weapons is that they only have to be near a target. A device inside say the Gaza Strip or West Bank near an Israeli military checkpoint would be enough for you know what to hit the fan.


As if Iran would do that... it would mean that total destruction would be brought upon them, they are not looking for that. It would solve, however, the conflict between Palestine and Israel, not in favor of Hamas and Hezbollah, though... so not plausible.


Originally posted by DisInfo
The reality is that Iranians, Palestinians and all those people hate the Jews more than they love their children and would sacrifice them in a heartbeat.


Goodness you really haven't been outside the Mac Donalds in the US right? Iranians are smart, proud and peaceful people. Palestinians are in a living hell of which Faux doesn't give you a little bit of understanding. Perhaps you should travel and get to know some other cultures. The Iranian regime is quite crazy yes, but not a reason to bomb Iran away. They have not been an aggressor for a long time, unlike Israel.



Originally posted by DisInfo
As far as leaving the Europeans alone, Im all for it. If the continent as a whole wants to be a bunch of surrender-monkeys, let them. However, just take note of your immigration trends. Countries all over Europe are being overrun with immigrants from Muslim countries. Im not calling all of them evil, as most are probably leaving their home countries for a better life. However, Id be willing to bet that there are a few fundamentalists that wouldnt mind carrying out a 9/11 of their own. Lucky for countries like Denmark, Europeans are largely pacifists and would roll over in a second.


You are really watching Faux News only right? It surprised me there are still people around believing in 9/11. You have no clue about Muslim immigration. Mind your own business, you have enough problems with illegal Mexicans.

Furthermore, I wish you good luck on the battlefield in Iran.

[edit on 13-4-2008 by Mdv2]



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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Al-Qaeda and the insurgents would LOVE us to spread our forces so thin as to attack Iran. They will launch all new strikes the minute we initiate a massive troop drawdown to keep us in Iraq and bleeding us dry.

Cowboy Bush and the Cardiac Kid, in league with Rogue Rumsfeld, have been suckered into a "no-win" situation in the Middle East and we, the people, are paying the price. We're paying in men, material, fuel, economy, etc.

A "war" or "pre-emptive strike" in Iran would be ideal for the insurgents who really want to pit the West against the Middle East in an ideologue war of blood and power. They can see the NWO coming and want to start their own.

"The guilt is in the cabinets, the innocence is in the streets."



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 11:51 AM
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The warmongering from the us and brits on this thread is pathetic and disgraceful. You don't like what's going on in Iraq, we are fighting an unwinnable battle so you figure, like a gambler, let's "double down" and hit Iran, take the focus off Iraq and the quagmire there...and supporting a draft?? Please, the spoiled little boys in this country addicted to computer games and porn would be nothing but cannon fodder, and those are the ones who might be willing to go, if they are clueless as to how it works...you see war is a racket, it exists only to make money for the top of the pyramid, anyone blind enough to fight in a foreign conflict deserves what they get. It is the responsibility of each one of us to "fight for our freedom" as you love to say. Sending young men across the ocean to fight people who never threatened my freedom is not appreciated. You are being manipulated.

War is a racket! Open your eyes!



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 11:56 AM
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The public morale for the war in Iraq is really low. I don't see how they would accept another, larger war in Iran. Something major would have to happen to get the general public to concede to another war.

I'm beginning to think that this war with Iran is just one big rumor - and that's all it ever will be.

Iran is a much stronger opponent than Iraq. They've got the ability to fight back, and fight back hard. In addition, Iran is also larger geographically. Trying to attack this country while mediating the mess in Iraq would be sheer madness. Our leaders are stupid, but not THAT stupid. However, they are smart enough to spread rumors.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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Mdv give up on this Euro attitude...... it stinks. The United States of America has the most brilliant economy the world has yet seen. Look at its top 100 hundred companies.............they will be new and of the moment. Emerging companies that direct and further the worlds economy. God bless this miracle that is the United States of America. Old Europe's will be those of yesteryear......steel this........engineering that. Old Europe is old, it is yesterday, it is part of the past. America drives the world, China knows it, Russia knows it, the whole god damn economy of the world knows it, and believe me Iran must me mad as a hatter if they don't know it too lol! That's coming from an English speaker from Great Britain. God Bless America.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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I don't think we will, But If we did we would get the job done rather quickly. The job would be removing the nuclear program and missile threat. I personally think that Bush and his Nazi brothers are working with Iran as they don't get attacked and they basically run Iraq. I think Bush is a Nazi and he is working with Iran to get total control over the mid-east.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
The United States of America has the most brilliant economy the world has yet seen. Look at its top 100 hundred companies.............


From now on I will just ignore you as you are spewing too much ignorance around here. You are either 12 or you have been living under a rock the last couple of months.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
The United States of America has the most brilliant economy the world has yet seen. Look at its top 100 hundred companies.............


From now on I will just ignore you as you are spewing too much ignorance around here. You are either 12 or you have been living under a rock the last couple of months.


Hilarious. First you accused me of never leaving the local McDonalds, now you think he lives under a rock.

Short of agreeing that the US is the reason for all evil in the world, this guy will never see another persons point.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Likewise I will ignore the Euro' joke' too. It means nothing, it matters for less. When this Euro 'joke' gets its act 'together' then I may listen. Until then i will listen to the powers that be.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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Here's a nice counterpart to the original post. Makes some good points of what we really need to do as a nation to stop these thugs from driving us down further into the abyss...


Can Americans Stop Bush / Cheney From Attacking Iran? The Answer is Yes!


Have we forgotten who we are - or how powerful we are when we speak as one? I am not a radical; I don’t believe that it takes violence to retrieve our democracy - but it does take all of us to work together, and the only way that it can be accomplished is if those that disseminate the news and commentary on the Internet band together and tell the people “how” we can force Congress to take action. Yes, I said force Congress to impeach Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi, a triple impeachment - and one that will send a message to the next President that believes that his will is more important than that of the people he is supposed to serve.!


Full Story:
www.opednews.com...



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 06:56 PM
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I guess for those who are on Irans side that we, the free world who have the right to actually call our leaders what we want are just selfish and want oil, hehe. What a joke. To all the peace nick pacifists on this site who are to spineless to confront tyranny, (saddam, iran, etc.) Turn the blind eye to dictators in this world....like I said before, why not move to iran and the re start this forum. See how long it takes before the islamic police come and beat down your door...In my opinion FREEDOM is worth fighting for.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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Heres the current proxy situation:

Night Watch: rfn=BASRA - As a result of the performance of its police and soldiers since heavy fighting began in Iraq’s south in late March against Shia militia groups the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has dismissed 1,300 soldiers and police due to their refusal to fight Shia groups. Xinhua reports in the Basra area, where some of the fighting was the heaviest, 421 police officers have been released and 500 soldiers including 37 senior officers. Four hundred were also removed from local security forces in the Shi’ite province of Wasit anther major base of the Mahdi Army. Spokesman for Iraq Interior Ministry Major-General Abdul Kareem Khalaf stated, “Those people showed sympathy with these outlawed people for sectarian or religious reasons. They did not do their duties in Basra and Kut as they supposed to.” Kut is where some of the fighting began, 100 miles southeast of the capital and just 40 miles from the Iranian border. Teheran has trained and armed these groups through Iran’s Revolutionary Guards making them an extension of Iran’s military like Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestinian territories. There was even a branch of Hezbollah fighting in Basra. Teheran is using this new eruption of fighting to prepare the way for its entry into the conflict.

rfn=Sadr City - The Gulf-Times/AFP report the Mahdi Army has rigged Sadr City with roadside bombs and booby traps to slow the advance of the U. S.-Iraq Army if they ever attempt to penetrate deep into Sadr City. Baghdad Military Command warned, “Groups of people have placed roadside bombs on the majority of the roads of Sadr City. For the protection of our citizens and media personnel, we are warning people to stay off the streets until they have been cleared by the security forces.” Placing these explosives by the Mahdi Army is obviously not the move of an organization about to disband.

rfn=Port of Beirut - Teheran is openly defying the arms embargo, imposed by the UN against Hezbollah in 2006, by sending weapons and arms to Hezbollah by ships which dock at Beirut’s port. Haaretz reports it is UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon) which has been mandated to enforce the embargo but it only has eleven ships in its command and its oversight of the shipping activity in the port of Beirut is not effective and cannot prevent the massive flow of weaponry. This has been discovered by government sources in Israel which have criticized, “The problem is that UNIFIL’s checks are not strict enough and are simply not serious. We are afraid that many ships registered in the port as carrying certain cargo are in fact carrying cargo of a totally different kind.” It is an open secret Iran has been shipping more rockets and missiles to Hezbollah in containers labled for civilian and humanitarian uses through Turkey and Syria so it is not surprising Teheran is doing so through Beirut. UNIFIL does not physically examine cargo in suspicious vessels and only compare the vessels name and registration number to the ships in the port.

I have often written the 12,000 European troops in Lebanon’s south were hardly more than a ceremonial presence, Europe’s suspicious way of staking a claim over the country, while at the same time determined to avoid any confrontation with Hezbollah. And that is why since Oct. 2006 of the 13,000 ships that were only given a preliminary check only 70 received a complete inspection. Consequently Hezbollah has been able to place two-thirds of its 40,000 missiles-rockets south of the Litani river, just twenty miles from Israel’s border, even though Hezbollah should not be permitted to operate there.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by jasonhb
I guess for those who are on Irans side that we, the free world who have the right to actually call our leaders what we want are just selfish and want oil, hehe. What a joke. To all the peace nick pacifists on this site who are to spineless to confront tyranny, (saddam, iran, etc.) Turn the blind eye to dictators in this world....like I said before, why not move to iran and the re start this forum. See how long it takes before the islamic police come and beat down your door...In my opinion FREEDOM is worth fighting for.


So freedom is worth fighting for overseas, but not here at home where it effects us most? Does the phrase 'enemies foreign or domestic' ring a bell? How is it you are so adept at spotting dictators where the MSM points them out, but are blind to the ones who are the 'deciders' here at home? Pull the beam out of your own eye, and maybe you'll be able to see well enough to remove the speck from another’s. Regime change begins at home.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by budski
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my own thoughts on the matter - although things have moved on since then, and my "prophecy" only has a couple of months to fulifill itself


Ok, I'll bite. What's your "prophecy"?


If this is too off-topic, U2u ME.


[edit on 13/4/08 by enigma77] to fix post - didn't post right.

and again. grrr


[edit on 13/4/08 by enigma77]



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Alpha-Omega
What we most need to remember is no good will come from these actions concerning Iran....If the United States is truly a superpower then it would deftly find a way to remove itself with some modicum of grace, let Iran come to the table and try and solve this conflict with their little brothers in Iraq. Bush does NOT speak for me. If anything he is the one person who is making us look like complete idiots. A real leader takes care of home, we have debts beyond belief and all he can say is, "They hate us for our freedom"...utter nonsense !



I cannot agree more.

They way this administration has us spread so thin, if anything happened here, we barely have anyone home left to protect us. The administration is more worried about spying on its own citizens than protecting the borders. Our economy is in the toilet and they keep spending more and more... of what we DON'T have. China practically owns us. Scary.

It almost makes you wonder if they (the administration) has purposely driven us to the state we are in. Ok, ok... NWO conspiracy stuff, I know. I'm not so sure that it is NWO to worry about though.

What I can't figure out is HOW he has not been impeached yet.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:40 PM
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Thank GOD for good people like GWB instead of the loony tunes like hillary or obama!



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:48 PM
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I really hope Bush & his fruitcake stringpullers leave Iran alone, and all other countries for that matter.

What exactly makes the US think they have say on how other nations choose to live their lives??? Oh yeah thats it, the
'War on Terror'.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:59 PM
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"I think that there is some sense of an increased level of supply of (Iranian) weapons and support to these groups," Gates claimed after a series of hearings on Capitol Hill on Friday.


Here's my 2 cents... I think everyone knows that Iranian weapons are showing up in the hands of certain anti-American factions in Iraq. But the question is, can we hold their gov't and country responsible for the actions of a minority of weapons smugglers? Can we link the influx of weapons to the top doggies in the Iranian government/military?[



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