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The Coming War With Iran

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posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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The Coming War With Iran


www.opednews.com

If the Bush administration, the New York Times, and the Washington Post get their way, the US military will commence with missile and air strikes against Iranian targets before the November elections.

Articles this morning both the Washington Post and the New York Times reprised their roles in the run-up to the Iraq war by beating the drums for war against Iran. Al Qaeda is no longer their favorite bogeyman as their focus has shifted to the regime in Iraq's neighbor to the east.

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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Interesting read, with quite a few points that are becoming increasingly and transparently apparent...This endless fear and war-mongering admin, with the help of their mouthpieces, the MSM, are churning out the propeganda overtime, doing everything they can to villainize Iran and get everyone 'conditioned' for their next M.I.C. / Corp super-lotto jackpot...People need to be aware and take action, writing in to congress, and the MSM sites spewing their propeganda, and protesting at every corner, to make sure we are not bamboozled into the Next Iraq-Invasion-type debacle...We cannot afford any more of this crap--period.



Clearly, both the New York Times and the Washington Post understand full well that their unquestioning regurgitation of administration talking points in late 2002 and early 2003 were low points in their journalistic enterprises. As such, it is difficult to understand how both news organizations could be retracing the same journalistic mistakes they made before the Iraq war with highly unreliable reporting from the likes of Judy Miller.



www.opednews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 12-4-2008 by DimensionalDetective]



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 11:51 AM
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Below is something that has been quite apperent for some time now. This is the reason that 'winning' (whatever the hell that even means) is next to impossible anymore. These people (rightfully so) DON'T WANT US IN THEIR COUNTRY...We attacked them under completely FALSE PRETENSES, and leveled their country, killing tens of thousands of innocent people, all based on LIES from our Pinnochio-like administration....They are doing as any country under the same scenario would do, they are trying to expell the foreign invaders.


Let's be clear, we are not fighting Iranians or Al Qaeda in Iraq. We are fighting the Iraqis who are trying to gain control and drive out the US military occupation force. Any marginal influence by Al Qaeda or Iran is irrelevant compared to dealing with homegrown, Iraqi militias.

This is always the case with protracted military occupations of foreign countries. We tried to blame Cambodia for the problems in Vietnam, and began secretly bombing that country during the Vietnam War. As long as the US military occupies Iraq, and sows the seeds of civil war in that nation by our very presence, we will be fighting Iraqi militias on both sides of that civil war. A civil war made possible by US military intervention.


The below paragraph pretty much sums up the Bush method to a tee...Shoot first, ask questions later. Never mind the fact that your screw-ups destroy two nations at once, and we can't EVER get out of the messes you get us in...


Bombing Iran under the pretense that they are engaging in a proxy war in Iraq will not solve any problems, but will exacerbate all problems faced by the US military there. It is possible that the administration is bluffing in order to prod Iran to back down on a number of issues. But that does not seem to be the Bush administration’s style, which prefers riding in on horseback and shooting wildly in all directions. Don't even bother asking questions later.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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I thought this might interest you:

The US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has renewed allegations against Iran, claiming that Tehran's support for militias in Iraq has grown.

"I think that there is some sense of an increased level of supply of (Iranian) weapons and support to these groups," Gates claimed after a series of hearings on Capitol Hill on Friday.

"But whether it's a dramatic increase over recent weeks, I just don't know," AP quoted Gates as saying.

Asked what would be the response to the issue, Gates said the US will be as aggressive as possible to counter the increase in the Iranian activity in Iraq.
Gates and the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, repeated the same allegations made by the top US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, claiming that Iran was behind clashes between the Iraqi security forces and Shiite militias in Basra in late March.


Full Article

Here's my own thoughts on the matter - although things have moved on since then, and my "prophecy" only has a couple of months to fulifill itself



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Here's another one for ya DD,
an OP by Pat Buchanan:

Petraeus Points to War With Iran


news.yahoo.com

Ever since President Nouri al-Maliki ordered the attacks in Basra on the Mahdi Army, Gen. David Petraeus has been laying the predicate for U.S. air strikes on Iran and a wider war in the Middle East.

Iran, Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee, has "fueled the recent violence in a particularly damaging way through its lethal support of the special groups."

These "special groups" are "funded, trained, armed and directed by Iran's Quds Force with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq's seat of government (the Green Zone) ... causing loss of innocent life and fear in the capital."


It never seems to get any better. There's only more
and more signs that foreshadow the inevitable conflict.

It always seems imminent, but its been that way for years now,
it could happen tomorrow, or months after the elections.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Budski & aecreate--Terrific input!

What I find almost bizzarre is that in between these propegandized 'demonizations' of Iran, I have seen top officials say that 'Iran can be a positive influence in Iraq', and that an Iranian General was even RESPONSIBLE for the temporary cease-fire that took place not long ago! Now if this is the case, then how is it simultaniously possible that they "are the biggest threat in Iraq"? It makes absolutely no sense, and it seems as if they are all over the place...



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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I fail to see the logic when the New York Times and the Washington Post are diametrically opposed to the Bush administration.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 05:39 PM
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Reply to Riposte

The main stream media or MSM have a record of only reporting certain parts of the news deemed to be "clean" and fit for public consumption.

What we often get from the MSM is that party line which the government wants them to take.

Alternative news sources are often biased but give much more information.

As far as the MSM goes, the fox is now looking after the chicken coop.

Many ATS'ers think this and that's why you see the discussions you see - that MSM is not to be trusted.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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Well the 1982 Israeli plan of Oded Yinon... invade Iraq, break it in parts... kurds, shias and sunnis so that Israel can have supremacy over the middle-east... Just look what the Great Middle-East plan was when it was brought up by the Bush administration last year. It was exactly that.

Here it is... the future of the middle-east, according to the globalists, neo-cons and zionists.





posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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Take a look at this vid, and tell me if you think we have any business trying to distroy this country:

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 07:23 PM
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Israel is not going to launch nuclear missiles at Iran unless Iran strikes first or at least tries to. Bush has no political weight behind him to pull off any attack on Iran unless they attack something of ours first. Cant you see that we are not trying to start a war with them by our navy ships being so careful when the Iranian gun boats try to provoke them?



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by budski
The main stream media or MSM have a record of only reporting certain parts of the news deemed to be "clean" and fit for public consumption.

What we often get from the MSM is that party line which the government wants them to take.

Alternative news sources are often biased but give much more information.

As far as the MSM goes, the fox is now looking after the chicken coop.

Many ATS'ers think this and that's why you see the discussions you see - that MSM is not to be trusted.


You are undoubtedly correct on that point -- the MSM is a wholly untrustworthy and ridiculously biased source of information. But there are competing interests at stake, and there is nothing more that the NYT and WP want than to disrupt and stymie the Bush administration. Which is partly the reason why they are so biased and can't be trusted.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 08:46 PM
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This has been spammed on ATS.com along with other Iran Bull@#$@.

Just drop it and stop trying to scare everyone.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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Which is what makes the possibility of a false flag event ever more likely, IMHO.

"But them terrrists blew up our aircraft carrier, we have the authoritay to go after them bad guys, 'cause we know them Iranians did it! Heh heh heheheh. Now watch this shot."

 


Originally posted by Masisoar
Just drop it and stop trying to scare everyone.


Yeah, Bush/Cheney, knock it off!



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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I agree with you.

That said, everyone here at ATS has the right to post thoughts and responces to posts.

you need not agree with them and are welcome to show they are wrong with facts/links and proof.

But NO ONE has the right to say someone can't post their opinions in a post (of course following TAC).



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 11:24 PM
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This is war for the remaining Oil reserves in the ME if we go in does anyone think Russia and China won't join in against this invasion? this is utterly short-sighted and foolish but, not shocking the people runing our nation really think we are the second coming of the Roman empire.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 11:28 PM
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Considering there's about 3 Iran scaremongering threads a week, it's pretty ridiculous.


Pretty sure those who visit the site get the picture.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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Your map isn't anywhere near what the "Zionists" would want.

I mean are you kidding me? Israel with pre-67 borders and you think the zionists want that??

Oh to be so clueless.....



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:14 AM
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This guy is doing his fair share of fear-mongering himself in this article. He states that we are only fighting Iraqis and not outside sources. Wrong, there are people from all over the world in Iraq fighting the Americans. Where do these militias get their funding, equipment and training? Iran, and ex members of the Iraqi Army that do not approve of the US involvement.

I really do not like reporting like this. It is very very dishonorable in my eyes.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:53 AM
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Iran is fighting Israel and the US by their proxies. Come on now. Now they are using rockets everywhere. Lebanon (hezbollah), Gaza (hamas), Green zone (Sadr)...........I hope they get attacked soon by the US, Israel, France, Germany and Brittain.

www.crossfirewar.com




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