Originally posted by Disclosed
Thats odd, it was evidence in the Moussaoui trial.
There is 1 photo and it is not sourced.
Explain these photos, page 7
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reply posted on 15-4-2008 @ 03:22 PM by fastfingersfunk
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by Disclosed
Thats odd, it was evidence in the Moussaoui trial.
There is 1 photo and it is not sourced.
govt exhibit = sourced
RB211 diagrams made by Rolls Royce = sourced.
case closed. and you haven't provided any sourced evidence to disprove it and you haven't provided anything to show engines, wheels and other non aluminum pieces would not have made it through to the exit hole. until then, EPIC FAIL.
reply posted on 15-4-2008 @ 06:16 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by ULTIMA1
Quite correct. Aluminum is sometimes used to make bullets. Some people like them for home defense because of the fact that they will fragment upon impact with anything, such as wall-board. The lack of penetration capability is preferable so you don't accidentally shoot your family hiding in the kitchen, when you spray rounds at a perp in your living room. The fragmentation is also highly lethal when it meets flesh.
On the other hand, military applications tend to favor penetration capability for obvious reasons. An armor piercing round, one that will penetrate a hardened target, consists of a pointed solid core enclosed in a softer metal. The core might be made of steel or tungsten, wrapped in an outer layer of lead, copper, or aluminum. Larger weapons, such as tank rounds, often use depleted uranium cores to penetrate.
In the case of an airplane hitting a building, there is virtually no penetration capability. The passenger cabin is hollow, surrounded by aluminum shell. If anyone want to test this out for themselves, go plug an aluminum hollow point round into a tree. Then try a tungsten-core lead round. You will see for yourself the world of difference.
No, it is not plausible for a aluminum airframe to make it through.
Quite correct. Aluminum is sometimes used to make bullets. Some people like them for home defense because of the fact that they will fragment upon impact with anything, such as wall-board. The lack of penetration capability is preferable so you don't accidentally shoot your family hiding in the kitchen, when you spray rounds at a perp in your living room. The fragmentation is also highly lethal when it meets flesh.
On the other hand, military applications tend to favor penetration capability for obvious reasons. An armor piercing round, one that will penetrate a hardened target, consists of a pointed solid core enclosed in a softer metal. The core might be made of steel or tungsten, wrapped in an outer layer of lead, copper, or aluminum. Larger weapons, such as tank rounds, often use depleted uranium cores to penetrate.
In the case of an airplane hitting a building, there is virtually no penetration capability. The passenger cabin is hollow, surrounded by aluminum shell. If anyone want to test this out for themselves, go plug an aluminum hollow point round into a tree. Then try a tungsten-core lead round. You will see for yourself the world of difference.
reply posted on 15-4-2008 @ 06:25 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by fastfingersfunk
When was the last time you saw an explosion shrink to a single concentrated point?
as any competent engineer would explain, the hole was caused by a clump of debris pushed by a combination of inertia of a 500MPH impact and the expolsion of the fuel, which would exactly explain the charred brick and debris shown...
When was the last time you saw an explosion shrink to a single concentrated point?
reply posted on 15-4-2008 @ 11:11 PM by talisman
reply to post by newgeneric
that was an excellent response to captainobvious. Its very interesting to see how different people interpret the visual data. I for one who does believe a plane crashed into the Pentagon, even I see a major problem with that hole and where it is and the circular shape of the hole.
This all could be settled if the gov had released a video of what happened, ( I personally don't believe that the military headquarters of the United States doesn't have that).
A video showing what hit and how would be most interesting.
[edit on 15-4-2008 by talisman]
that was an excellent response to captainobvious. Its very interesting to see how different people interpret the visual data. I for one who does believe a plane crashed into the Pentagon, even I see a major problem with that hole and where it is and the circular shape of the hole.
This all could be settled if the gov had released a video of what happened, ( I personally don't believe that the military headquarters of the United States doesn't have that).
A video showing what hit and how would be most interesting.
[edit on 15-4-2008 by talisman]
reply posted on 16-4-2008 @ 01:48 PM by beachnut
Originally posted by jackinthebox
No, it is not plausible for a aluminum airframe to make it through.
In the case of an airplane hitting a building, there is virtually no penetration capability. The passenger cabin is hollow, surrounded by aluminum shell.
You and others have made a false statement. Proven false by physics.
Ask your physics teacher.
Mass and velocity, you are ignoring the physics of the impact, and have made a mistake.
Those interested in the damage to the Pentagon, ASCE's Pentagon Building Performance Report is recommended.
[edit on 16-4-2008 by beachnut]
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