David Icke - Questions

Hello,

I am aware that there are many threads concerning David Icke. However, I do have some questions - and if anyone here considers themselves an expert on the man, I would appreciate the answer :

1. David Icke tells us that we exist within the Matrix, that is a personification of fear. This fear controls the Matrix. Therefore, what is the point of a charade involving the Illuminati and the conspiracy as a whole if the Matrix is virtually omnipotent to implements its rule on unsuspecting populations. There would be no need for thousands of years of conspiracy at all.

2. If one does not want to exist within the realm controlled by the Illuminati,then,given the creation of reality hypothesis, would it not be pragmatic to leave this reality and create a new one/join a new one where the Illuminati problem is simply obsolete.

3.If we are all consciousness , then how can anyone be human or reptilian. Therefore, what is the point of saying that repitilans are different from humans, when, in essence, they are not?

4.As far as I understand it, David Icke presents his view that the reptilian race needs to drink blood,etc, due to the fact that they need to maintain their human form. If this is so, then it is logical to assume that their inner form is ,indeed, reptilian. That said, it would be easy to find out by ,even literally, spilling their guts.

Again, I do not wish to start a discussion about the claims of this man, I am merely trying to understand his position on the above topics, as I was not able to find the answer in his books/lectures. If anyone here can answer it in an unbiased way/show me some links with answers to the above, I would be grateful.

its interesting to see that before the real matrix movies came out that word was so ambiguous. now it seems that when you want someone to notice what your saying you have to shove that word in there. i bet if the movie was called something really silly like the hamburger chronicles icke would use it.

as for icke. don't believe and read too much into what he says. he is a shock author and reporter and would sell his mother for $2.

reply to post by ghostryder21


Yeah, this is why I am asking these questions..I am not buying into anything, just curious what people that are 'pro-Icke' respond, that's all.

reply to post by onomatopoeia


It is my opinion that he said certain things about certain things like the anunaki in order to highlight just how childish the MSM can be.

That they would take it so seriously as to damn everything he says based on something that he hasn't tried to prove kinda makes a rather poignant statement, wouldn't you think?

[edit on 12-4-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]

reply to post by onomatopoeia

1. David Icke tells us that we exist within the Matrix, that is a personification of fear. This fear controls the Matrix. Therefore, what is the point of a charade involving the Illuminati and the conspiracy as a whole if the Matrix is virtually omnipotent to implements its rule on unsuspecting populations. There would be no need for thousands of years of conspiracy at all.

It's important to understand that the "matrix" he is talking about is not quite what was shown in the movie. He is using it as a metaphor, so that the concept he is presenting is easier to understand, to give it a sort of framework.

The "keepers" are not omnipotent. In fact, things will get worse the more they realize that humans are awakwening. Even prison wardens fear uprisings.

2. If one does not want to exist within the realm controlled by the Illuminati,then,given the creation of reality hypothesis, would it not be pragmatic to leave this reality and create a new one/join a new one where the Illuminati problem is simply obsolete.

This is the "awakening" I just mentioned. But it is also important to keep in mind that measures have been taken to keep us all isolated from other things in the universe that would be advantageous to our awakening and evolution. The Earth is a prison for the body, the mind, and our very souls.

3.If we are all consciousness , then how can anyone be human or reptilian. Therefore, what is the point of saying that repitilans are different from humans, when, in essence, they are not?

There are different energies that operate on different frequencies. Some are advantageous to people, some are not.

Are humans all the same? No. We are all unique. The same goes for physical life in general, and the comparison between reptilians and humans. You can't directly compare the microcosm with the macrocosm.

4.As far as I understand it, David Icke presents his view that the reptilian race needs to drink blood,etc, due to the fact that they need to maintain their human form. If this is so, then it is logical to assume that their inner form is ,indeed, reptilian. That said, it would be easy to find out by ,even literally, spilling their guts.

Indeed.


As a side note, here is what I think of Icke. There are a lot of haters out there, but Icke makes too much sense. At the very least, he will give you plenty of stuff to think about. He's no more perfect than the next person and he is not a messiah, but he's got great material. Other than that, who really knows the truth about everything anyway? You just have to take his stuff for what it is worth, keep it in mind, and hopefully be able to actually disprove it one day.







[edit on 4/12/0808 by jackinthebox]

Icke, Why didn't you reply to my email?

Here is part of the email I sent back in 2004.
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David,

On the subject of reptilians, I recently heard of something that may be worth looking into.

My brother, works for the Spanish television station in Nevada.
He told me about a program he was recently asked to participate in, that was to deal with the subject of UFO’s.
Don’t remember all of the minor details but it went something like this:

Having some knowledge in the subject, my brother was asked by the Program Director if he would like to participate in the production of this short program/special. My brother began to ask about details of the show, and he soon determined that it would basically involve interviews. It appeared this would be just another typical show about UFO’s, but he still agreed to be around for the shoot.

On the day of the shoot, he was called in to meet the person that was to be interviewed, former military personnel from Area 51, sorry don’t have his title or name.

After the shoot, the Program Director proceeded to introduce the ex-military man to my brother and announced that my bro had a few questions for him.

In a typical loud, commanding military voice, the military man asked “What would you like to know?”

My bro then asked two quick questions:

“What is the significance of the year 2012?

…and

“What can you tell me about the reptilians?

Mister Military then quickly blurted out, “HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE REPTILIANS?”

This immediately startled the Program Director as it appeared that my bro had somehow triggered a nerve, pissing off Mister Military.

Are we now that conditioned in thinking that we mustn’t piss off men in uniform?

His quick reaction caught everyone off guard, so Mr. Military continued by saying something like “I can tell you that the year 2012 marks the end of the Mayan calendar, I’m sure you know this already, but if want to know about the reptilians, talk to this guy.”

He then points to the person that was seated to his side, a person that appeared to be somewhat of an introvert.

So, Mister Military stepped away briefly with the Program Director while my brother proceeded to introduce himself to this individual.

His said his name is Oscar, and in a soft voice said, ”If you want to know about reptilians, we’ll talk later”.

Telephone numbers were exchanged and soon Oscar was able to say what he knew about the reptilians.

It seems Oscar is originally from Europe, and mentioned that a few years before he was to relocate to the US, he began to feel as if people were watching him.

This continued for some time but it was never anything serious. When the time finally arrived to travel to the US, he made his flight, however, upon his arrival in New York, he was approached by what he thought were Customs Officials. He naturally went along with what he thought was routine, when they said he would have to be escorted off the airport premises. Not knowing what was going on, he had no choice but to comply.

He said he was driven to some place in the heart of New York and taken inside a large room. This was where he got the scare of his life.



It was in this room where he claims to have come face to face with an extremely tall reptilian entity. Poor Oscar sh&t his pants.

This reptile proceeded to talk about subjects that had never even entered Oscar’s mind. No doubt all this was overwhelming.

My brother said Oscar was not able to reveal much about the reptilian secrets, for he too has reptilian blood, however not enough to permit shape shifting.

Oscar did demonstrate how, as it was explained to him, the reptilians are able to travel through space and time.

Using a sheet of paper, my brother explained what Oscar had shown him.

Take a sheet of paper and draw two circles about four inches apart.

To get from one circle (point A) to the second circle (point B), rather than draw a straight line from one to the other, it was explained that these entities are able to somehow fold space and/or time, to bring the source and destination together.

Just as you would fold the sheet paper in such a way as to allow one circle to gently come in contact with the other, these entities can fold space.

Are there any frequencies involved here, as you mention in your books?

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There you have it.

reply to post by Alxandro

Icke, Why didn't you reply to my email?

Did you really think he was going to reply to fan mail?

reply to post by jackinthebox


Fan mail is one thing but the mail above seems to be interesting enough to warrant Icke's attention. Especially that there is a person involved, namely Oscar, who could be ''verified'' by Icke's interviewing skills.

Originally posted by onomatopoeia... but the mail above seems to be interesting enough to warrant Icke's attention. Especially that there is a person involved, namely Oscar, who could be ''verified'' by Icke's interviewing skills.

Well there are other things that you would think he would answer...like the claim that Credo the Zulu Shaman said Icke would be offered a position in the Illumanati back in the summer of 2005. Time came and gone and only crickets were heard.

You wont be able to find this prophesy on the internet, it was made on his old site before it got revamped, and non of the current articles go past March 2005. (I have a post on this.)

But if you do want to get his attention, you may want to post on his forums on his website. I dont think he replies there, he may well read it though. And as for the original poster you would find more people their perhaps into Icke to take on your discussion.

I like Icke stuff...I think there is a lot of fear in there, which is kind of contrary to some of his latest work implying love is all you need - but it is as it is. Its a story and a game that we partake in and enjoy.

Peace

dAlen

reply to post by onomatopoeia


David Ike once claimed to be the Son of God here in the UK

Originally posted by drevill
David Ike once claimed to be the Son of God here in the UK

Thats not really a biggy depending on how you take it...even Jesus/Paul say we are sons of God.

Peace

dAlen

hello

Yeah, didn't think that one through did I? I cant recall if he said he was THE son of God or not.

He should have stuck to footie in my mind, of course it didnt pay as much

Good point though!

David

reply to post by onomatopoeia

Fan mail is one thing but the mail above seems to be interesting enough to warrant Icke's attention. Especially that there is a person involved, namely Oscar, who could be ''verified'' by Icke's interviewing skills.

Icke doesn't have to "verify" yet another example of Reptilians, unless of course maybe someone got their hands on a blood sample or something I suupose. He believes they're out there, strongly enough to dedicate his life to sharing his beliefs. So he needs no further convincing. There's nothing new in the letter. What are the chances of even finding "Oscar" again?

Then again too, maybe he thought he was being baited into a trap. I wonder what kind of security Icke has?