I have never posted anything on here , but I have a special interest in the IRS as I owe them money. I have found the IRs is seriously full of inconsistencies. As you see by this topic. So we just need to go back to the origin of the maker of that money that states it is legal tender and that it's value indeed printed on the coin itself is $1 dollar. So how can there be any question? Only the IRS knows I guess for sure . So My question is who is policing them? I wish I knew.
I don't like owing them money but with the compounded interest it is hard to pay them off and you can't choose which bill or year if you owe multiple years , which one to pay they use a little of each payment to apply to each bill so it goes on and on. More interest compuonding. Seems like it will never end. And I only owe less than 20.000.00 dollars but the way it is compounded keeps me in debt. Any way thanks for letting me spew

Ok, so if the guy is disputing being taxed for the market value of the silver and instead says that he should be taxed on the dollar amount printed on the coin--and if he succeeds--then cannot he be charged with violating federal minimum wage laws since he'd therefore only have been paying his workers like, I don't know, let's say, a few "dollars" per week?

Originally posted by SystemiK

Interestingly, he states in the interview posted above that he initiated a lawsuit against the IRS in 1993 and paid his filing fees with 240 of these same silver coins (even though the value of the coins was in excess of the $1 face value). The coins were accepted and he was not reimbursed in any way for the excess. Quite interesting that the gov will accept them just fine but takes great exception to them being used as wage re-imbursement.

I would say that the above sets the legal precedent. If he paid using silver dollars as dollar for dollar to the legal system the legal system has validated it's worth as a dollar.

Interesting thread, please do keep us informed as to how this moves along. I had never heard anything of this and it must be a can of worms.

Robert Kahre is a true hero and I DO NOT splash that word around. I read the articles and watched the whole video and it takes a guts to do what he is doing. It takes even more than that it takes the highest commitment and that is exactly what the ravenous, tyrannical Fed fears. It doesn't want you to know that it can be challenged. This man has balls the size of church bells and he is a true patriot. To oppose this kind of tyranny takes a special breed of man and we are short of their kind.

/salute

This all ties in nicely with Tom Cryers victory over the IRS.
Many of you may know the story, many more may not.
Either way feel free to research and/or join the movement at

www.truthattack.org

and

www.liefreezone.com

Our money is just an over glorified IOU.

If you look at the money it says NOTE and not certificate which
is what it used to say when it was backed by gold.

If our money is not backed by anything what is being stored
at Ft Knox?
Most probably it just dust and not gold.

Wing-Nut

Not enough states ratified the income tax law to make it legal.
period.
It goes on from there, but the bottom line is incometax is a scam....pure and simple.
The reason they get away with it is the cowardice of the people who suffer under its yoke.
Out of 350 million people, is there just one dissenter willing to put himself on the line for the good of all?
I am sure there must be more who would be willing to follow suit if assisted in doing so through an organised resistance movement.
The access to the media is what is making these things unheard of.
With 90% of American news controlled by the CFR we do not get a free independant press that the constitution expressly calls for.
It is patently obvious that the corporations are running everything now......
The goverment a mere rubber stamp for the big lobbies,and big grafters.
Its high time we stopped corporate CEOs and such from obtaining public office, or paid closer attention to the rewards they get when out of opffice.
I believe that the payoffs for services rendered come in the form of after term rewards so they cannot be detected as easily.
Retired politicos getting cushy private corporate positions which pay large for mere consulting etc.
The capitalist and the communist systems are both top hjeavy and corrupted through and through.
Nothing short of radical redistribution of the wealth (and morals)will fix this boggle up.

Why does the IRS work for the IMF and World Bank ?...

Excerpts from jailed Congressman James Traficants' speech to the House on March 1st, 1993:

"It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; Declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H. J. R. 192, 73rd. Congress in session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Government Offices, Officers and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only."

"...The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a defacto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now
dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States."

"This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H. R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?"

Interesting huh ?...

Starred/Flagged, Thanks

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The Constitution says: "The Congress shall have power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures." Also, "No State shall coin money, emit bills of credit, make anything but gold or silver coin a tender for payment of debts."


Yet...


Congress isn't creating money. The treasury is doing that under the direction of the Fed. Not to mention all the credit money created by commercial banks. (For some reason "credit" and "money" have become the same thing - a "dollar" - even though they are distinctly different entities, and not dollars anyway.)

A "dollar" is defined and standardized as 371.25 grains of silver (a grain being 1/480 th of an ounce).

We most certainly are not paying our debts with gold and silver coin...

Why has all this changed, how, and are the changes constitutional?





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NM




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Excellent thread!

I'll need to read up on this more, but from what I have already covered, it's very interesting. But, unfortunately, I feel that in the end the IRS will win.

They will change the laws to suit them. I can see it boiling down to this:

If the coin is not in circulation, you pay taxes on it as though it were an investment.

If the coin is in circulation, your taxes are based on what the metal value of the coin is, or the face value, which ever is greater. They will probably come up with some convoluted calculation to determine this, adding yet more pages and another form to an already bloated tax form.

But, sadly, I think we can agree that if the Government OWES you, it will be the face value.

I supported Huckabee for no greater reason than to take the IRS down.
...yeah, he probably would have failed but it would get the topic into the public forum. I normally don't give CT stuff much weight but this isn't CT stuff, it is a crappy truth.
I haven't taken any, and don't plan on, taking any tax law classes because it pisses me off so bad.
But if the Country declared Bankruptcy in 1933 (was it?) where is the discharge? Why didn't we go Chapter 7? Can't the President say, "yeah, our debt is done, we are going to start over with a gold, or silver, or oil standard" I don't know how any of this stuff works but I do know it doesn't work now.

Originally posted by ianr5741
The Constitution says: "The Congress shall have power to coin money,

I think how they get around this goes into the "it's not expressly forbidden" interpretation of the Constitution, as opposed to the "it's not expressly permitted" view.

The thing is, that our Founding Fathers could(should) have easily avoided misinterpretation by using the word 'Only' in place of 'The' in the quote above.

only Congress shall ...




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