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Originally posted by ChilledVoodoo
Mountain of the Holy Cross�
Holy Cross Mountain is located in the Northern part of the Sawatch Mountain Range in Colorado, Elevation: 14,005 ft. Holy Cross was first photographed in the 1870�s. Due to erosion and a dryer climate, the cross shaped snowfield is not as distinctive today as it was in the 1800�s.
Originally posted by deadline527
Is it possible to sin while lucidly dreaming?
If you are full aware that you are dreaming and use this to your advantage to do as you please no matter what the action may be, is this wrong? If you knew for a fact, that there was no consequences at all from your actions, things you would never do in real life because it would be wrong, all become viable.
Does this equate to a sin
Originally posted by Res Ipsa
1) if you have free will in a dream my friend then you are on your way to immortality.
I have tried....and the moment I make a "choice" I start waking up. At that point I can create the setting for my next dream but as soon as I attempt to think or do any type of freewill movement, I wake up even more.
....I tell ya what... if you are interested in learning how to remember every single dream you have, every single night, respond to this post and I'll tell you how to start...otherwise if I have said the same thing as anyone else that has posted...then ignore...sorry I just didn't have the time to read this thread.
Originally posted by CA_Orot
Dreams are interesting. In my opinion, Lucid Dreams are dreams we have figured out how to control by unlocking some unconscious part of our brain. Not everyone Lucid Dreams. Just some people. Dreams with lots of color, sounds etc...
I do not Lucid Dream Often, but when I do, it usually involves me flying (in circles), breathing under water...etc.. I think Dreams are environments created by our brains, for our minds to play in, while the rest of the body is sleeping/rejuvinating. Afterall, while you're busy getting all of that sleep, your Mind needs SOMETHING to process. It needs to do something. It needs to be entertained.
So I think that if you do something in a Lucid Dream, the act hasn't "actually" been done, therefore, no Sin has been comitted. Some would suggest that impure thoughts are a "sin" and as such, a Lucid Dream acts upon an impure thought, which ultimately is a Sin... However, I believe that a Thought, is just a thought; It is not an action. Nothing has physically been done. You are still laying in your bed with the covers up under your chin.
Freud would suggest that dreams are our unconscious desires being fulfilled. If this is the case, for some, unconscious desires could be "sin". But that also brings up the question of Sin....What is "Sin". It depends on your own personal beliefs, as to how you define sin.
Originally posted by pavlovsdog
I'm not sure how far I want to take you into this rabbit hole that you are opening. But you are posed on the brink of diving into one that I dont think you are ready to experience
I'm not trying to be condescending in any way, but from your statements I can only deduce that you don't have a broad reaching spiritual education. This is not in and of itself a bad thing, only a sign of spiritual immaturity.
Lucid dreaming is an attempt to enter a transcendent state.
To be as brief as possibly, I'd like to point you in a particular direction and encourage you to do some research on your own. Consider this quote
The experience of being in a lucid dream clearly demonstrates the astonishing fact that the world we see is a construct of our minds. This concept, so elusive when sought in waking life, is the cornerstone of spiritual teachings. It forces us to look beyond everyday experience and ask, "If this is not real, what is?" Lucid dreaming, by so baldly baring a truth that many spend lives seeking, often triggers spiritual questioning in people who try it for far more mundane purposes. Not only does lucid dreaming lead to questioning the nature of reality, but for many it also has been a source of transcendent experience. Exalted and ecstatic states are common in lucid dreams.
The first statement of that paragraph is not reconcilable with Christian teachings.
Originally posted by deadline527
Originally posted by Res Ipsa
1) if you have free will in a dream my friend then you are on your way to immortality.
How do you figure that?
I have free will in some of my dreams, not all (wish I did) but a good portion of them I am able to lucidly do what I will. How does this equate to immortality? I will still die in the same amount of time as if I diddnt have lucid dreams...
As for your explanation, thats just like watching a movie. The next day, if someone mentions the movie, you remembered the whole 2 hours in less then a second. This actually goes into the whole "alien writing" subject but thats a whole nother can of worms, lol.
Originally posted by ATS4dummies
I am a regular lucid dreamer by using a device I purchased in 2002 called the NovaDreamer. It is a pair of goggles that flash lights when your eyes begin REM - Rapid Eye Movement.
That device has been instrumental in allowing me to take complete control of my dreams. I can honestly say I live a real "second life" as a result.
Here's what I want to say about the dream reality and ethics. Anyone who has learned to do this will completely agree with this statement: The dream world is *more* real than this reality. Because of that, I treat everyone in the thought/dream world with respect. THey are not cartoons, they are real entities, and they come up with and say things I would never say or even think about. Their intelligence is truley profound. Folks, all I can say is this reality in the meat world is only just one possibility. There are other realities out there and at least the one I explore every weeked is as real as this one. I can't do it during the week , however, because it makes me feel groogy.
Learning to lucid dream with that device is the most profound thing I have *ever* learned.
Originally posted by deadline527
But lets say I decide I want to be completely and utterly demonic in a dream.. It is still a dream and it carries no consequence and bears no weight in reality.
Originally posted by Res Ipsa
I am now 41 and I have stopped doing the dream thing since I was your age. I want to do it again but I want to know how to achieve that "freewill" stage. I am also in law school so I really can't have my wife waking me up every 30minutes.
How do you do it? I am of course still skeptical as hell because I really tried for those 3 months but I guess I wouldn't be on ATS if I wasn't trying to deny ignorance.
Convince me.