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Apollo 20 update

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posted on Apr, 11 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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LOL! i hadn't even seen the one's you just linked to.....omg, those are SO CGI....

the one i was talking about was this one

www.youtube.com...

now when you compare it to this vid, you hear that the hoaxer just used clips from this vid to make it sound like comms between the module, and control...

www.youtube.com...




posted on Apr, 11 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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all i would like to say is i thinks its fake because,

if i found an alien body on the moon or anywhere i wouldn't want to touch it or be exposed to any part of it.

i also think that if they did find one they would not bring it inside the spacecraft and start an examination.

i am sure it would be in some kind of body bag and maybe brought back to earth ?



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 12:37 AM
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I know why you guys are hoping this on to be true. You notice that the "alien " girl is or was very attractive and you are wishing someday that you might be able to hook up with one. if this was an ugly Grey or reptile this thread would be much shorter.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 03:59 AM
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My goodness.
Am I the only one who does NOT think that the EBE is attractive?



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by johnjohn808
My goodness.
Am I the only one who does NOT think that the EBE is attractive?


No, you are not the only one who does NOT think that the EBE is attractive.

from Ziggystar60.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 04:53 AM
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I would love to see a still picture of the Mona Lisa, I cannot view Utube or any other video , only photo's from this computer. Darnit.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 05:06 AM
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I have been waiting to see if anyone else spotted this. But since I still haven't read a single comment about it, here it is:

Luca Scantamburlo,, the italian writer and journalist who interviewed William Rutledge in 2007, posted this letter to the public on his website. He talks about "difficult and sensitive matters", and wants to protect the serenity of his relatives and friends.

He wrote this just last month, and now we see those new and fake videos at Revver.com. I can't help thinking - was he told by someone to shut up? Has someone made sure that Luca Scantamburlo will keep well away from writing about the new videos and analyzing them? After all, this man has been in contact with the original Retiredafb, you know, the guy that has now disappeared completely. The guy that posted the original video of the spaceship and gave a lot of additional information in his interview with Luca Scantamburlo. Information we are supposed to forget all about now that we are busy debunking the new videos that (in my opinion) were made for one reason only - to convince us that William Rutledge as a hoaxer right from the start.

Anyway, here is Luca Scantamburlo' letter. Read it and make up your own mind:



"A LETTER TO THE PUBLIC:

BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES
I have decided not to write anymore about difficult and sensitive matters, as I did so far since year 2006. From now on, it is possible I will write something about ancient history, astronomy... but with a different approach. However, I will not expose myself anymore on difficult subjects. I realized that at the moment as reporter and writer I have not any future, above all under the economic and contractual point of view. And without a contract with a publisher, there are not the need guarantees to carry on a difficult work in the mass media world. But one of the most important things, is that I want to protect the serenity of my relatives and friends...

About me, there is another important question: if I want to live and survive, of course I need to work somewhere. And every firm has its own deontological aspect of the contract for its employees. It is mandatory to respect it, even after the end of any kind of contract if requested by the Law.

Maybe one day you will have the chance to read my unpublished essay; read about it at the following link: The Scientific Search for a Missing Planet.

I wish my achievements and the attention I have had so far - especially in North America - may help the decision makers and the general public to deal with the future.


© L. Scantamburlo
March 02, 2008"

Link to the letter: www.angelismarriti.it...


Best regards, Ziggystar60.


Mod Note Please Review: How to Quote External References


[edit on 12/4/2008 by Sauron]

[edit on 12-4-2008 by ziggystar60]



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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Since this thread is fast becoming a tad stale . . .
I noticed that there has been no mention (that I could find ) of the inclusion of some "document" in the 2nd video.

The camera operator seems to take great pains to include it.
( Sorry for the crummy screen grab, stuck at home with only MS Paint.)



Any thoughts? (Despite whether it is Fake or Real...what could it be?)

regards...........kk


[edit on 12-4-2008 by kinda kurious]



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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I remember that a video of something similar was on Retiredafb's site at YouTube for a while, but it was taken down again. I have never received any letters from outer space, so I have no idea if this is some kind of alien writing... A translation would be excellent.


Anyway, William Rutledge stated in his interview with Luca Scantamburlo:
"The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes."

You can go to "Spaceheroes" to see images from the video that once was on Retiredafb's site at YouTube. Scroll down to the bottom of the page:

spaceheroes.org...

Best regards, Ziggystar60.



Mod Note Please review: Quote the post immediately before yours



[edit on 12/4/2008 by Sauron]



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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Ah Ziggy old friend. I'm beginning to believe you are retiredafb or at least part of spaceheroes who by te way, are only making money out of this hoax by selling t-shirts and mugs (who the heck buys them anyway?). Be well and keep posting.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Well, I don't consider myself your friend, I am certainly not Retiredafb (not the original and real one or the new and bogus one), and I have nothing to do with Spaceheroes. My job is actually very well paid, far above average in my country, and I have absolutely no need for earning extra money by selling T-shirts and mugs. I posted the link to Spaceheroes as a reply to a specific question from a member called "kinda kurious".

The only interest I have in this Apollo 20 case is that I think it is important to all mankind. This case also has made me aware that we have not been told the truth about the moon and the Apollo missions.

Ziggystar60.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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I just discovered that Luca Scantamburlo also has written a message to Project Camelot. As I suspected, the italian journalist has been under pressure to stop writing about the Apollo 20 case;


Moreover, I have to protect my relatives and friends. As a matter of fact, during the last few months I have had a lot of pressure from unknown individuals...


Link to the whole message: projectcamelot.org...

And just for the record: I am not involved with or a part of Project Camelot. And I hope I have managed to do the quote from an external source right this time.


Best regards, Ziggystar60.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Rigel
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I think you underestimate the United State[s] of America.

Do you think that such a nation engaged in realizing the promise of J.F. Kennedy to walk on the moon before a decade would have stopped all exploration when have discovered this ?

I don't.

Edit : $pelling.

[edit on 11-4-2008 by Rigel]


www.lpi.usra.edu...

So, has the image from NASA cited below succesfully explained? Because all I see is some odd enormous artificial-like object over there. Until now, I don't buy the "a shadows game" version. And from that is where all the controversy started.



posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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I have been reading ATS for quite some time now, and until today - reading this thread- I never had a desire to register or post a reply.

Interesting thread. Real or fake - who knows. The first video seems quite diffentent from the follow up videos. I would like to believe this to be true. Bu at this time I can only say that at first glance the only thing that came to mind was that this did not look real. The back ground shots of the interior of the lunar module looked nice, but then again , I have never seen one before. Some did ask about the size of the lunar module and i didnt see a answer so i did a quick search and found this vid of apollo 11.

www.youtube.com...

The first thing i notices is that the console seems completely different. the apollo 11 shot seems to show 2 complete sets of instument panels on the left and right, but the apollo 20 looked like 1 set in the middle.

I am in no way debunking or trying to debunk these claims, I am just doing a little poking around and pondering the topic.

Great thread too btw.


[edit on 12-4-2008 by watchd0g]

[edit on 12-4-2008 by watchd0g]



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 02:12 PM
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This is a fake.
1) There is no zero-g effect, no matter how hard he tries.
2) The video static is a post-production effect
3) The sound is all post-production addition. The 'ping' sounds just like the 'ping' from the original Star Trek
4) The camera work is done in such a way to highlight the things the creators want to highlight. There is absolutely nothing 'candid' about any of this.
5) I won't even comment about the dummy.

I know there is real footage out there. This is nothing more than an obvious fake.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 03:34 PM
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It's worth noting that Revver is a website where user's generally post video's to make money.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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This has already been pointed out a couple of times in this thread, but I suppose it can't hurt to be reminded of it.


Best regards, Ziggystar60.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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Here is where the LEM for the cancelled Apollo 18 ended up... It about 10 miles west of where it was originally built by the Grumman Corporation in Bethpage, Long Island, New York...

www.cradleofaviation.org...

Now what about the LEM's for the Apollo 19 and 20 missions????



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by Hyde70
 


This has already been pointed out a couple of times in this thread, but I suppose it can't hurt to be reminded of it.


Best regards, Ziggystar60.


Yeah, I got this problem with not reading a thread in it's entire. Generally, because I get bored reading it and I have other post's to read. Still, that was my deciding factor in believing that this video was fake... And almost an automatic one. I don't take anything posted on Revver as being authentic. Nor am I a fan of the Youtube user's (like this guy) who move to Revver to make a tiny amount of cash.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Hyde70

Nor am I a fan of the Youtube user's (like this guy) who move to Revver to make a tiny amount of cash.


I just hope you don't think that the person (or persons) who moved the videos to Revver.com is the same guy who posted the first video of the alien spaceship on the moon. But to understand what I mean, I guess you just have to read the whole thread. Sorry about that.


Best regards, Ziggystar60.



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