I was laughing from start to finish, who's responsible for this wonderful forgery? It's beyond hilarious. I especially enjoyed the clay being. It goes to show that the hoaxers of the whole Apollo 20 series are completely bonkers for play dough. When are they going to give it up? I also enjoyed the post production effects in the visual and sound departments. Gotta enjoy those cheesy sound effects.

Such an insult. There's absolutely no more mystery and effort put into making elaborate fakes. Not to mention the lack of imagination. If the hoaxers of this lame video are reading this, please, find some people with talent and give us folks with common sense and a staunch skepticism something to debate and discuss.

Thanks in advance.

What a load of BS. I'm not buying this stuff. Thierry certainly doesnt give up his hoax. And yes, this is an insult to viewer's intelligence.
As always, I wonder if he ever will stop. What a sad life.

It would be nice to find out if he is still alive? in the interview it is obvious that the interviewer wants to get hold of the footage, wouldn't be the first time someone has tampered with footage for entertainment purposes, there was so much more to the promises when the original video's came online, and he seems so genuine in the interview, answered all the questions ok as far as im concerned, but that is easily stage able, It would be a crime if one mans heroic act was made to look like a mockery by some small film company,

There was so much research done by many people when this all started last year, and the results if i remember remained inconclusive, this guy was pushing the age envelope then and you can hear his frailty in the interview, eve if this part of this story is fake, i believe there was some truth in the later military missions, and they were not carried out by NASA, you cant deny there are dozens of places a saturn v rocket could have been launched from without witnesses, and if it was a huge secret, one of the biggest in human history, then im certain they would have made sure nobody realised it was a saturn v,

If there was an Apollo 19 & 20 then these guys are hero's and deserve to be acknowledged IMO.

I cant put my finger on it but something is telling me to worry about William Rutledge, so im off on a quest when time permits to discover if he is still kicking, and to bring proof of such, this might take some time hehe.

adding F&S thank you OP


Just wanted to add something related but off topic in a way, recently at AREA 51 on google earth appeared what seems to be a launch tower, one of the recent threads on AREA51 by a supposed employee out there said this launch pad was being made ready to launch, i am saying this to show there are places to launch from, even though this may not even be a launch pad at all, How many places are there in the USA that are unknown like Area 51?

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This may help those that don't have a clue about video editing (like me). Starting around 1:25 to 1:28 in the video, the "mona lisa" character becomes 3D'ish as opposed to the background (control panels). Kind of like a bad rock video effect from the 1990's. Something you'd see on Beavis and Butthead


(a plus side would be that this post opened my eyes to yet another lunar mystery I knew nothing about...kudos!! )

I'm leaning toward the hoax side of the fence on this one.

My opinion comes mainly from the video interference that appears in what normally would be a random pattern. In this video it seems to have been used in a dramatic way.

The first time the body is seen video interference obscures the image very quickly after you see what it is. It happens again before the camera guy moves on to continue wandering around.

The second time the camera guy gets the body in the shot video interference once again obscures the image very very soon after you see it.

Finally when the camera guy moves in close and lets you get a really good look at the face there's a long period of time that's totally uninterrupted by interference.

These three things scream DIRECTOR. The video interference wasn't random. The director used the video interference to manipulate your emotions.

The first time you see a face and it's obscured right after you see and understand what it is. It comes back, but the camera guy wanders off leaving you wanting to see more. When he does come back you see just a glimpse of the head and once again right on cue the interference takes it away. The interference is being used to whet your appetite. A hunger which the director satisfies later on when he gives you a long uninterrupted look at the face.

I guess they took marijuana on Apollo 20. It's the only explanation I can think of for the bazaar behavior. One guy wandering around taking pictures of the instrument panel and other stuff while the other guys twirling his camera. Pretty weired.

By the way, the fingerprints of the director are also on the FILM camera the other guy is playing with. It's there to support the other video that's available.

[edit on 9-4-2008 by LazyGuy]

Originally posted by Breadfan
This video simply insults viewer's intelligence. Even a monkey could tell it's fake by just looking at the way the guy handles the camera and the bag. Last time I checked, Moon has a very small gravity and those things should be floating around.

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And the last time you were on the moon was when? Also your usage of the word "should" implies you are not certain? So stop trying to sound like an expert. Not saying this is real, but your authority on science and your 'absolutely everything is bunk' attitude on every single UFO post is really beginning to get on my nerves.

Thanks to the OP for footage I haven't seen before.I've seen most of the Rutledge stuff so this is new to me.
The only thing that turns me off of the thread is the condescending remarks made by the usual couple of members.
While I agree that the footage looks fake, I wouldn't go so far as to call people brain dead for not seeing it.
Apparently the "smart" folks don't have to back up their opinions with anything that would help out the "brain dead" folks.
Examples and or links to promote this opinion would probably be more constructive and lend credibility to the statements.

I'm sorry but it hurt so bad to watch that I stopped before it concluded. The looping shortwave radio sound - the wayward camera handling and canned video interference effects...just bad all the way around.

This didn't require a huge set. Some people don't realize that 2D imagery is easily mapped on poly surfaces and comped as a back plate. Based on the budget look/sound of it all - that was probably the technical high point of this production.

Definitely fake. There is actually a spot around 1m05s where the "alien" flashes in the off frame. like someone forgot to overlay the still in that short time frame. Because of this it is clearly added in after the fact. I have done this by accident using final cut(Forgot to anchor the two images so it essentially has "dropped frames, there, then gone, then there"). Besides, as someone said earlier, it really does look like clay. Almost like the only thing the artist cared about detail-wise is the face, the rest of the body is just a quick mock-up.

Just my thoughts...

That is one of the most fake and ridiculous things I have ever seen..

Front page! Top story, crazy springs to mind is this really what people want to see?

I cant beleive i have to log in and comment on this but really this is just rubbish, worthy of a place in a trashy paper (maybe the daily sport, along with the double decker bus found on the moon)

If people think stuff like this doesnt hurt the actual quest for the truth then so be it, but my humble opinion is that it does and reflects poorly on the members of this site who have made it front page stuff whilst other more important discussion worthy threads stay hidden!

Thats my rant

Have a nice day/night

Opinion; 1st, the man playing with the camera or device seems weird, He should know how to use it. 2nd I would not put this past the dis info groups.

Just an opinion