ok, so let's assume that it is entirely fake, everything from day one. What is the motivation? To make chump change from Revver? Was the cost of creating these forgeries low enough to get compensated a few pennies from this site? .
I haven't seen the obligatory DVD for sale yet, unless that's coming soon..

Is this someone with too much times on their hands? Are they doing this to fool a few of us gullible chumps?

Or perhaps, as s ome suspect, that the new videos were created to discredit Rutledge. Does that mean that the original videos on youtube were real? Aren't there easier ways to accomplish this as opposed to building a replica of the LM, a fake EBE, a look-alike Leonov yadda yadda..?

Don't get me wrong, I've seen hundreds of hoax videos and stories through the years, but I haven't seen one the elaborate, I mean most can just be attributed to cgi, not building sets, or the lunar surface in clay.

Wow....

Well, folks....if there's a lesson to be learned from all of this, it's that you should NEVER underestimate the human desire to believe..even when something is so obviously BS, people still want......no, strike that...NEED to believe..

Maybe it's vanity, or ego, or maybe they've just got mommy issues, and they're lonely...i dunno, and i don't particularly care...all i know for certain is that this is pure insanity. these videos...ALL of them are complete fabrications, yet some of you still sit here, trying to defend it. how much more evidence do y'all need?

Originally posted by Daedalus
Wow....Maybe it's vanity, or ego

Well look at my Self-Portrait...ummmm......I mean Avatar.
With a bid ole' head like mine and a single eye, I'm not very vain.

or maybe they've just got mommy issues

You could be on to something there.....I was never breast-fed as a child and hence have developed biting sarcasm as a defense mechanism

..all i know for certain is that this is pure insanity. these videos...ALL of them are complete fabrications, yet some of you still sit here, trying to defend it. how much more evidence do y'all need?

I think, for the most part, we all have agreed to this being faked. (Self included) Seems like we are now simply wondering...why? Who would go to such great lengths? Who benefits?

Seems like we are simply in the final "dissection and dismemberment" phase.

Now and forever.......Kurious.


edited to repair typos

[edit on 15-4-2008 by kinda kurious]

First up NEVER seen NO U.F.O's, had any (E.T) Alien contact physical or otherwise.
Having said that...
I will say that I'm firmly in the 'we ain't alone' community, I also know we are going to need some hard/concrete PROOF to convince most people (whereas mathematical statistics will suffice Me for now).
But ALAS... 'William Rutledge?' is at best an unreliable witness, at worst?
Who knows?
The footage is just as fraudulent as that Apollo 11 soap opera...
It also hampers the search for truth (and makes Me look like a loon amongst the masses, for even thinking there is life in the beyond).
By the by... anybody know what the hell is written on those little post-it notes/tags at the start of these videos? I can't see a damn thing.

Oh well!

kinda kurious

Thx for the photo shots- I stand corrected in my first post where i thought they did not look that similar. I was clearly wrong.
Good job doing the extra leg work.

There is a shrewd of truth to be found in all of this hogwash with the videos, in my opinion

A few years ago my father was diagnosed with inoperable cancer. We had been pretty distant throughout life given the nature of father's job. He worked for the government, I knew that much, and his work was classified so he could never speak about it. He often traveled and worked odd hours.

One day we talked and he told me that he had to tell me a secret he never revealed. He said that while he shouldn't tell me, and that I wouldn't believe, he just had to get it off of his chest.

There was an ultra-black project in the mid-70's that sent another mission to the moon to investigate a particularly provacative anomaly. Or at least he said so.

He worked for the NRO from the mid-60's to the early 1980's (retiring shortly after the Able Archer near disaster), which was a top secret department at the time. It was declassified in 1992 I believe. His job there was photograhpic interpretation of spy satellite photos. At that time, the NRO was perhaps the most important intelligence agency in the government, and such was tasked with this project.

My father said that the project was highly compartmentalized so he did not know the whole story, but a lot of it. He claimed to have been a member of mission control where he analyzed video data on the live feed, then later reviewed it. In summary, here are some of the things he told me that relate to this.

1. He did not mention anything about "Apollo 20" and never even gave a formal name. In addition, there were no markings on the rocket or spacecraft. This operation was entirely off the books. No one on the operation used their real names, that's how far it went.
2. Mission Control was located at Vandenburg AFB. The actual launch was on the island of Diego Garcia. This island was located in the Indian Ocean along the equator with virtually nothing around it. This site was chosen because if launched to the East, the rocket would have nearly 12,000 miles of unbroken water to help cover the tracks. It was accepted people would see the launch wherever it was, this site would limit that.
3. The project was initiated, by Nixon's orders, in late 1971. My father's work began on the project began in 1974. The actual mission took place in 1976. My father said that he underwent an intensive psychological exam before he was selected to join the program. He said he thought he was bought in mainly because he "could be trusted".
4. The actual mission consisted of 3 American astronauts whose names he would not mention. He said that these men had been trained for nearly 4 years specifically for this mission. He also said that in 1973 it was confirmed the object was in fact a derelict spacecraft. He reviewed this pictures personally when selected for the project.
5. The spacecraft was speculated to be roughly 1.5 million years old, although he was not allowed access to that exact information. The ship was badly decayed from meteor impacts and the ancient crash. The ship was cigar shaped, and massive, the section was roughly 1 mile. Evidence suggested it been explored before us. No alien remains were found. 300kg of artifacts were stripped and brought back. My father described what he called "strange hieroglyphs and markings" covering what was assumed to be the the "cockpit" of the craft.
6. At least 2 other governments were involved with the project. My father said he worked with a British analyst and he knew of a smaller team in Australia but wasn't sure the Australian government were exactly aware of what our men were doing.

Honestly, I thought my father had lost his mind when he told me this. I hadn't thought about it for years until my son showed me "proof of aliens" on You Tube that was one of these videos. He then directed me to this site for further "research".

I have no evidence to prove any of what I said here and don't care if no one believes it. Just thought it was interesting.