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Topic started on 8-4-2008 @ 11:44 AM by bakednutz

Obama and Guns: Two Different Views


www.foxnews.com
bama has consistently supported gun control legislation that came up while he was in the Illinois state legislature and the U.S. Senate.

For example, when Obama ran for the Illinois state senate the political group, Independent Voters of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a “ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns” and he responded “yes.”
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reply posted on 8-4-2008 @ 02:28 PM by Sublime620
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Are you talking about by his voting record?

I find voting record to be like that. Sometimes a politician will vote for, sometimes against, but it has more to do with pork-rolled bills than the issue.

Just wondering if you were going by voting or by words?


reply posted on 8-4-2008 @ 03:33 PM by Sublime620
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Honestly, don't let a thread sway your vote.

Go research it yourself and make that decision. I like ATS, but I'd hate to see one post and one opinion be the reason you decided NOT to or TO vote for someone.


reply posted on 8-4-2008 @ 05:32 PM by Roper
You can go here to check Obama out . www.ontheissues.org...

The Dem's will try to hide their position on firearms because they know it will beat them.

So unless you have a blue dog democrat to vote for, your firearms are in grave jeopardy.

Roper


reply posted on 9-4-2008 @ 12:48 PM by bakednutz
Originally posted by Sublime620
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post by Amaxium



Honestly, don't let a thread sway your vote.

Go research it yourself and make that decision. I like ATS, but I'd hate to see one post and one opinion be the reason you decided NOT to or TO vote for someone.


Why not let this thread sway your vote? It is more than a thread, it is a link to the facts about Obamas position on guns. Anyone or any candidate who wants to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens can go to hell. I cant believe that this is escaping most main stream media outlets though. Or maybe I can.



reply posted on 9-4-2008 @ 01:22 PM by Sublime620
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I just don't think it's a good idea to open a thread, read an opinion, click one link, and then change your vote.

There's too much information out there on each candidate to have votes being swung off of one link.

But that's just my opinion.


reply posted on 9-4-2008 @ 01:39 PM by thisguyrighthere
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Which is worse, reading facts like direct quotes and voting records found in a thread on some forum like this one or sitting in front of your TV and having your opinion shaped by some asinine commercial about how Obama is going to rescue the elderly from the jaws of death or how Clinton is going to be there when the phone rings asking for whatever she'll pick it up after 13 rings?

Hell, I'm sure there are people out there who'll pull the lever for whichever candidate has a hotter chick holding their campaign sign out in front of the polling place.


reply posted on 9-4-2008 @ 04:45 PM by bakednutz
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Normally I would agree. But with probably the most important issue only second to free speech I disagree. He mine as well say he wants to put a muzzle on the american people so they cannot criticize the government or anyone else, guns are Very important.


reply posted on 11-4-2008 @ 07:17 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by bakednutz


For example, when Obama ran for the Illinois state senate the political group, Independent Voters of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a “ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns” and he responded “yes.”



I don't even know what to believe about this. If you go to the original link (Faux News) and click it to read the above quote, the "yes" is a link that takes you to
here.

There, we find the following garble of a paragraph. Read it carefully. Anyone know what it means?


Both versions of the 1996 questionnaires provide answers his presidential campaign disavows to questions about whether Obama supports capital punishment and state legislation to “ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.”

He responded simply “No” and “Yes,” respectively, to those questions on both questionnaires.


And don't forget to read what his campaign actually says about it:


But a fact sheet provided by his campaign flatly denies Obama ever held those views,
...
On guns, the fact sheet says he “has consistently supported common-sense gun control, as well as the rights of law-abiding gun owners.”


Now, I don't expect Obama to join the NRA, but I do not believe that he supports a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of all handguns. There's nothing credible to support that statement.


[edit on 11-4-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]


reply posted on 12-4-2008 @ 11:25 PM by Sublime620
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I think you're both misreading my intentions.

This thread is informative and should certainly be thrown into the mix on deciding who to vote for. I'm just saying, one topic may not be worth changing a vote over. Especially since it would be fairly unlikely that Obama would ever get any bills passed to ban handguns.

Imagine how many people probably voted for Bush because they agreed with one issue he stood for. Oops?

**Edited to add:

Plus, it's just one side to the story. If he is really concerned with this issue, then he/she should go do some independent research, don't you think?

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