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Expert: "We're brainwashing our children" about global warming

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posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by zanthal

So let's get them rigs drillin', smoke stacks burnin', and let's start hunting and fishing every critter off the planet.

There won't be any consequences, all those scientists are just trying to give themselves something to do when they see the global temperature average rising steadily over the past 50 years in concordance to man's technological development.









70% of the earth is covered with water already, let's not melt the icecaps while calling it media propaganda ... I like going to the beach every now and again.




Typical response from a yank, when an issue on hand.

This I've seen before...



[edit on 13-4-2008 by mind is the universe]




posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 10:11 PM
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of course all this is coming out of america.
global warming is really a warm up for nibiru coming 2012/3
where on the globe is the hole in the ozone layer....yes over the southertn hemisphere from which direction nibiru is heading toward earth and where is most of the pollution spewing into the atmosphere come from of course fron the northern hemisp-here in america russia china european states etc etc.
gore was his only way of telling people it is global warming not to panic the multitudes all round.


Wandjina are coming back to visit us again.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by mind is the universeCan you tell me what America are going to do about their emissions and on global warming??
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Please tell me what Ireland are going to do about it?


Percent of electricty production by hydro:

Ire = 2.3%
US = 5.6%

Percent of electricity production by wind or solar:

Ire = 1.7%
US = 2.3%

Percent of electricity dericed from combustion of hydrocarbons (oil, gas, and coal)

Ire = 95.9
US = 71.4

Glass houses and stones and all that.....


Link to source of stats
Nation Master



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 04:24 PM
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When I was a child (Europe, after WW2) I was taught because of my parents' lack of money in a very restrictive way (only referred to things that could be obtained by money and consequently habits that meant spending too much water and electricity, for instance).

I've unfortunately failed to teach my children the same way I was taught, so they spend money in a very different way than I do. And my economy is considerably better than theirs. I'm not a mean person, it's only that I don't need it, even though I spend my money in good food and good wine.

I'm very pleased that my habits didn't change much as the years went by, so I think it twice before taking a bath instead of a shower, I don't like and I don't have any electric devices in my bedroom, I hate plastic bags and do what I can not to use them. In short, I think that if everybody acted the same way, things would be better for the Planet and for ourselves.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 05:37 PM
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Some have said that the poles will flip in the near future and that the north and south poles will relocate on this world. If that is a truth, then that would be a more logical explanation of global warming spectical that takes up so much of our lives right now.

the overwhelming numbers of scientists say that global warming as being told to us is not true. That I would believe. So let's here the truth about it. There has been said, there have been many ages of man on this planet and if that is true as the native indians would have us believe, then a pole shift just might be the real reasoning behind it all.

It would make sense cause if the actual poles were to relocate, then you would have to move all that water ice and water around and so letting it thaw out would make more sense prior to the event.

As for global warming with Gore and others, it is all just a ploy to make corporations money and to take away more of our rights and freedoms on a world wide basis. Just something more to think about!




posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Jonar

As for global warming with Gore and others, it is all just a ploy to make corporations money and to take away more of our rights and freedoms on a world wide basis. Just something more to think about!



I generally agree with you, but I think that what Gore and company are doing might be only as sinister as trying to make mad money out of a bad situation (as usual where there's money to be had there are vermin to try and suck it all up.)

Which is not to say that someone out there might recognize and try to take advantage of the potential to use such a development (or belief in it) to "take away more of our rights and freedoms on a world wide basis."

Just my .02 fiat cents!



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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If these people really cared about the earth and this so-called global warming why the HELL are they not looking at the garbage dump off the coast of California that is TWICE the size of the United States?
Do they not know that this crap is being eaten and absorbed by the ocean life and it is reaching our kitchen tables?
This whole world is under evil control.
They want us to die.
Mercury and alluminum in our shots, floride in our water and being sprayed on our food, chem trails of different chemicals that tear down our resistance, HMO foods that are changed forever into nondigesting junk, and 900 other life killing programs as well.
Hell, what is next the Alien invasion?



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 07:36 PM
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reply to post by budski
 


Can we tell them the government secretly nuked the atmosphere
over Antarctica to cause the warming at the poles.

Now its a pay check for the Illuminati in energy programs, taxes and
other ecolaws. Ever since Moses this stuff never ends with the law
making.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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reply to post by mind is the universe
 


im surprised that an irish person would be concerned about the climate. I would have thought all the Leprechaun's would love the climate change. maybe it would give them more rainbows to hide their pots of gold under.

see how ridiculous that sounds. please dont try to generalize aan entire country.



posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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When Nibiru enters the earths regions the great force exerted by its magnetic field will send the earth into a new polar position disrupting the earths crust as it does so. east will then become the new north and the earths crust will cause chaos to earths plates.
Nothing to do with money or al gore.



The Wantjina are getting closer



posted on Apr, 15 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by mind is the universe

Originally posted by zanthal

So let's get them rigs drillin', smoke stacks burnin', and let's start hunting and fishing every critter off the planet.

There won't be any consequences, all those scientists are just trying to give themselves something to do when they see the global temperature average rising steadily over the past 50 years in concordance to man's technological development.









70% of the earth is covered with water already, let's not melt the icecaps while calling it media propaganda ... I like going to the beach every now and again.




Typical response from a yank, when an issue on hand.

This I've seen before...



[edit on 13-4-2008 by mind is the universe]



so you agree there's an issue? that's good because my response was to the conspiracy-bent folks that think global warming doesn't exist.



posted on Apr, 15 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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You know, I don't remember anyone arguing that GW doesn't exist. I have argued that the Gorian description of, and response to, GW is a pack of snake oil, but somehow that always turns into someone saying that I claim it doesn't exist. Why is that?

(Z - I don't think you were referring to me specifically, but it happens so often that some takes the position as if those arguing the 'against' side are claiming GW is a fantasy. This just sort of brings the point home)



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Essan


A doubling of atmospheric CO2 will cause average global temps to rise by about 1c (according to the science).



sorry, that's false. According to my class at university of toronto, atmospheric CO2 doubling will cause average global temps to be 1.5 - 4.5 C



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by darkbluesky

Originally posted by mind is the universeCan you tell me what America are going to do about their emissions and on global warming??
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Please tell me what Ireland are going to do about it?


Percent of electricty production by hydro:

Ire = 2.3%
US = 5.6%

Percent of electricity production by wind or solar:

Ire = 1.7%
US = 2.3%

Percent of electricity dericed from combustion of hydrocarbons (oil, gas, and coal)

Ire = 95.9
US = 71.4

Glass houses and stones and all that.....


Link to source of stats
Nation Master


because you're using percentages, you disregard the fact how LARGE US is compared to Ire. geographic diversity of US makes the US have more alternatives to energy use.



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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Are you sure you understood the question/point?

It made perfect sense to me


No offense, but I've seen a lot of question being mis-understood - I've also done it myself



[edit on 18/4/2008 by budski]



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:39 PM
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No, I wasn't replying to your question. i'm replying to the guy who answered your questions because he just took some statistics in percentages to obscure the reality of it all.

on another note,

I think that explaining ALL the different scales evidence that is available to convince you that global warming is occuring and that humans plays a part in it is time consuming. There is a course at the University of Toronto that deals specifically to global warming. Having attended this course for half a year, the evidence that is presented all the way from 20-30 years ago... is just daunting. You will most likely fall asleep before the lecture ends. However, I must say that the evidence is there. You just need to absorb it.

if you are in post secondary school, then I must encourage you to attend one of these courses and feel for yourself whether the evidence is out there.

I understand that we are all busy people (some with children) and we are all concerned about being "brainwashed", but I think that those who read the little bits of information from this controversial site, then come up with the idea that the government (especially the US government) is all a big scam without actually looking into and considering ALL the evidence provided by the scientific community, nor having taken any official lectures that discusses the issues with global warming that sometimes offer group discussions, then going online to ATS and preaching to us about all the scams that you just fabricated in your own controversial-enthusiastic-mind is just PLAIN wrong.

I just want to discourage people from coming onto the board with no prior knowledge and trying to seek knowledge through it because more than 50% of this board provides inaccurate information. If you want TRUE source of information from the scientific community, to go pubmed, search for keywords and VOILA.
- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

If you really want a good discussion of facts, then I would recommend that you invite a prominent scientist in the field of global warming, and discuss your side of the story ("follow the money", "corruption of the government", "scientists trying to secure their livelihood" and all the ideas with absolutely NO evidence) and see who will win the argument. credited scientist vs. no one.

Schools are providing short movies that illustrate prominent evidence of global warming because it covers a lot in very little time, but don't think of this as "brainwashing", because it's a matter of resources. None of the local teachers are actually specialists in the area of climate change, nor can they invite specialists from universities to talk about it.

if you're a teacher and you really want to encourage your students to ask questions on the issues that are presented to them, it would be NICE to try the answers those questions by looking at appropriate scientific journals at a University library (or pubmed) rather than having open ended questions. See, most teachers are too busy and not enthusiastic enough to do this, that leaves questions unanswered and students discouraged to ask more questions because they know it will be unanswered and they're going to waste their breath. Not only should teachers encourage the questioning of students, teachers should also be able to answer their questions intelligently and resourcefully (with appropriate references) and direct students to websites such as pubmed to find more relevant resources.



[edit on 18-4-2008 by yuwing]



posted on Apr, 18 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by yuwing

I just want to discourage people from coming onto the board with no prior knowledge and trying to seek knowledge through it because more than 50% of this board provides inaccurate information. If you want TRUE source of information from the scientific community, to go pubmed, search for keywords and VOILA.
- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

[edit on 18-4-2008 by yuwing]


It's always a little dangerous to presume what others may or may not know.

This sounds like only your arguments should be presented for discussion, and that's against everything that ATS stands for.

Reasonable link though


[edit on 18/4/2008 by budski]



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
... isnt it a good thing?

'' now jimmy, turn off the lights, global warming ''

'' now jimmy, close the fridge door, global warming ''

'' Dont get a V6-8 Car jimmy, get a 4 cylnder, ride your bike ''

Arent these good things to be brain washing
?


Umm... NO!

Telling your kids, "Turn off the lights, you are wasting electricity and costing us money" is one thing, you can pull out the electric bill and show them just how much you spend a month on electricity and teach them something positive!

However! To say, "Jimmy turn off the lights, you are contributing to global warming!" Is instead fear mongering, and buying in to the line of the globalists who want to kill "useless eaters", and hog all the worlds resources for themselves! The environment has become the new tool for the socialists and communists! They just took off the red and put on the green!

There is no "consensus" on whether man is increasing "global warming"! And there is still no consensus that global warming would be bad for the environment! CO2 emissions are not bad for the environment, plants eat the stuff up! History has shown that the world has been a warmer place in the past! Greenland was not always ice! There have been old settlements found there that date back about 1200 years ago! In Antarctica, there are also signs there, that it had a tropical climate at one time! And for the last 10 years, we've been in a global cooling trend!

Heck, they don't even know what forms oil! They are still finding huge deposits of the stuff, and find that even in capped wells oil has started replenishing itself!

To tell your child "close the door, or global warming is going to get you" is is like telling your child a superstititious story to get them to obey you! Might as well tell them, "be good, or Santa Clause won't give you a present this year!"



posted on Apr, 20 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox



Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. Do you feel the contention that GW is a man-made phenomenon is valid?



I do. Not that it's the 100% cause, but, think about it. We are destroying the world's natural respiration - shredding down the forests and disrupting the plaknton of shallow water with runoff - while at the same time we are increasing emissions of greenhouse gasses. Do you believe this has no effect? The laws of physics tell us that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. To pretend humankind has no impact on the world isn't just to deny climate change, it's to throw away some of the basic building blocks of science as a whole.



I just wanted to say that this statement is beautiful.




[edit on 20-4-2008 by Animal]



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 09:40 PM
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walking fox , yes we are raping and polluting the enviornment.

and yes that surely has effects, especially on eco-systems.

but GW? This (to me) seems like something CLEVERLY cooked up to get gov't grants, awards, and as a reason to create GLOBAL solutions to ( exagerrated global problems) which give rise to organizations who can circumvent the national gov'ts (with the populations ok) . (scientists who toe the line get grants) and those that are enviornmentalists know G.W is too big of an issue for them not to have on their side to get people to stop polluting, wether or not the pollution has anything at all to do with the always changing temperature of the earth.

let me ask you Walking Fox 2 questions. (with all respect)


Would you believe it is ok to mislead people about the changes caused by pollution, because they wouldn't care enough about a purely enviornmental issue to change, so that it would be necessary to scare/alarm people into caring using greedy, naive, or (the ends = the means minded) scientists thru using and manipulating the authority/trust people may have in their "credentials" while trying to silence a growing body of scientists/meteorologists who disagree, hypothetically speaking?

would you still be ok if the people funding this issue actually cared less about pollution as well, and were using it to push people's buttons and gain support for an agenda, who's aim MAY be to gather politicans and bribe scientists into garnering support for a worldsolution and subsequent powerful world governing groups to override national soverignty and the few politicians who may still care about their own country's as well as gain some pitiful nobel prizes and make some quick money thru govt. contracts.

[edit on 29-4-2008 by cpdaman]



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