reply to post by LDragonFire
I will also give you a list of liberals:Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Payne, Hamilton. Most of the founding fathers of this country! Liberalism is
why you have the freedoms you enjoy today. Liberalism was the mindset that rebelled from England. Conservatives never would have done this.
I have always heard that in 18th and 19th century England, Liberalism meant NO governmental interference with private entrepreneurs. In other words,
the conduct of the business of the East India Company was not to be interfered with by Parliament. Conservatives in Parliament at that same time felt
no hesitation interfering with the private companies that abounded in the 1700s.
I don’t recall reading that ANYONE argued about the size of government per se as it was apparently accepted by all you would have the size of
government that was needed to accomplish the goals or objectives of the state. Change in and of itself was not an issue raised by either Liberals or
Conservatives in Parliament. Like some bodily functions I won’t mention here, change happens.
So where did 20th and 21st century Liberals originate? I’d say the liberal impulse has always existed. One poster above remarked he was either a
conservative liberal or a liberal conservative. And I offer that is the reality of our political debates. America had a strong central government in
its first 12 years. Then a weak central government until 1933 with brief interludes, in 1861, 1898, and 1917. The 1933 era ended in 1974 with the
forced resignation of Richard Nixon. We are back in a era of weak central government.
Today's SIZE of government debate is a moniker liberals and conservatives try to hang on the other. Pejoratively. I believe the SIZE of government is
not a positive indicator of its conservatism or liberalism. The privatization of the Federal government began with the Postal Reorganization Act
signed by President Nixon on August 12, 1970, replaced the cabinet-level Post Office Department with the independent United States Postal Service. The
Act took effect on July 1, 1971. Wikipedia lists 800,000 as the number of employees for USPS. en.wikipedia.org...
For comparisons of
other employers by size, see www.fool.com...
See also Note 1.
So when did modern liberalism - pro interventionists - come onto the political scene? I have seen a list of “Liberals” which included the first
TWO presidents. Actually, GW and John Adams favored a STRONG central government but were probably very conservative in all other aspects of their
political philosophy. They were after all, GREAT entrepreneurs. Especially Washington. He was the LARGEST distiller of whiskey in the 13 colonies. He
was a major EXPORTER of grain to Europe. He was an early practitioner of scientific farming. I'm sure (as I can be) GW did not want CLOSE control of
his personal affairs by any outsiders even though he believed in the cause of a strong central government. There is a real disconnect here we need to
Jefferson and his Democratic-Republican successors - the Federalist died out soon after the 1800 election having briefly morphed into Whigs - were
advocates of a WEAK central government. Their motives may have been more the protection of slavery than any deep philosophical reason. Recall the US
Con slavery compromise of 1787 gave Congress power to HALT the future importation of slaves AFTER 1808. The 21 year pro-slavery hiatus was close to
expiring! Abolitionists were salivating!
You can see that the omnipresent impulse of Americans to OWN the continent from sea to shining sea was almost always a factor in what was done
publicly. Jefferson, supposedly a strident STATES RIGHTS man, jumped at the chance to UNILATERALLY commit the US to the Louisiana Purchase thereby
doubling the area of the country. If anyone doubts Jefferson was looking at the Pacific Coast, remember he sent Lewis and Clark as a MILITARY
expedition to find a route to the Pacific Ocean. States rights when is served his purpose, strong central government when that served his purpose. But
an American Expansionist in any case.
Bush43 may have wrecked the economy so severely that we will be forced as a country to return to a strong central government to prevent RADICALISM
from raising its dangerous head! Which I welcome.
America’s 10 largest private employers:
1. *McDonald's: 1.5 million employees globally
2. * Wal-Mart: 1.5 million
3. *General Motors (GMAC and Hughes): 341,000
4. *United Parcel Service: 359,000
5. *Ford Motor Company: 350,000
6. *IBM: 316,000
7. *General Electric: 315,000
8. *Kroger: 312,000
9. *Sears: 275,000, not counting seasonal workers
10. *J.C. Penney: 250,000
For more, see nyjobsource.com...
[edit on 4/16/2008 by donwhite]