Life on mars this is it! no doubt!, page 1

What wonderfully evocative images. Nicely done, johndoeknows.

Whilst these have been presented before on ATS, and mainly lifted from this site:

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

I've never seen them in such detail before. They're almost too good to be true...

Whilst they do suggest either living, or long deceased (fossilised?) arboreal specimins, I agree with skept!cal's statement, in that we absolutely cannot decide upon what these images depict until NASA astronauts, or independant explorers, make it to Mars.

And therein is the problem. We're in for a long wait, and even when Man finally sets foot up there, there is no guarantee that any or all findings will be released. If these are "trees" that are still growing, then NASA has an awful lot of back-pedalling and explaining to do. It's just a matter as to whether they're willing to bite the bullet and admit to making mistakes, or there truly is something to the theory of suppresion of Martian ecology and history.

Of course, all we could be looking at are truly "alien" rockforms. Even if that is the case, then they are of immense interest, and no less thought provoking.

And at the end of the day, where better to find them?



[edit on 8-4-2008 by Beamish]

reply to post by Beamish

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Yes I agree but until then we have to do it with what we got.
And to be honest they use sonar of poorer quality to find ships on the bottom of the oceans. this is something that cant be a rock or dust devil.


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As stated, this has been discussed before, and there is an explanation, and no, they are not trees or any other sort of plant life...

What causes the black dots on dunes on Mars? As spring dawned on the Northern Hemisphere of Mars in 2004, dunes of sand near the poles begin to defrost. Thinner regions of ice typically thaw first revealing sand whose darkness soaks in sunlight and accelerates the thaw. The process might involve sandy jets exploding through the thinning ice. By summer, the spots expanded to encompass the entire dunes that were then completely thawed and dark. The carbon dioxide and water ice actually sublime in the thin atmosphere directly to gas. Taken in mid-July, the above image shows a field of spotted polar dunes spanning about 3 kilometers near the Martian North Pole. Today, the future of Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity remains unknown windy dust storms continue to starve them of needed sunlight.

from APOD

reply to post by beastamerica

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Spirt and Opportunity were launched...have been doing research on the red planet for some years now even when the rovers were expected i think to roam the red planet for bout 6 months..so yeah we have landed rovers there..

Good Day
Skept!cal

reply to post by johndoeknows

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No. Without wishing to sound rude, that is not proof of anything, other than your willingness to see what you want to see, and ignore all other evidence that demonstrates your assertions are nothing more than wishful thinking.

The pictures are stunning johndoeknows and good find, sensfan. That was exactly my first impression when I saw these photos, some sort of sand jet or spray (for lack of better words).

And yes, the rovers are still plucking away. There is some talk that nasa may have to temporarily shut one down because of budget cuts, but last word was that they may not have to do that...

Budget Cuts Could Shut Down Mars Rover

and an update...

Mixed signals from NASA about fate of Mars rover

reply to post by dave420

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I think that's taking it a bit too far Dave.

If you actually want to examine the evidence, what I see in this image is a 3-dimensional object casting a shadow.



Now, granted, we can't state with certainty it's a tree. But I personally think that NASA's 'stained sand' hypothesis fits the observed evidence much less than 'tree' at this point. Wet sand doesn't cast a shadow. It certainly doesn't cast shadows on many dunes at once, that are laid out in accordance with the angle of the sun in the picture.

I think it's important for us ALL to keep from proclaiming 'what we're seeing is (Fill in the blank)'. Even the skeptics, even NASA.

Especially Dave, in absence of a better theory, which I've not seen you provide. I'm not just talking in this thread either. You have a tendency to call something 'bunk' without offering an alternative explanation, and you add to these posts (regularly) an insult to the poster you're speaking to.

If you've got something to say, an analysis of the evidence that shows some sort of results maybe? I'm all ears. Otherwise, we should all keep in mind that it has yet to be determined what these pictures are actually showing. And the Original Poster's guess is at this point not refuted by the evidence, especially when combined with evidence of ample surface water in both liquid and solid forms on Mars (that's NASA data).

-WFA

While I greatly respect both your viewpoint and your willingness to cite sources, I respectfully disagree that this and other tree-like features are 'case-closed' stains on the sand.

The shadows cast are but one reason.

For NASA to argue against the possibility of life in one breath, while proudly proclaiming the discovery of all of the necessary requirements for life in the same breath, also makes me highly suspicious.

Arthur C. Clarke's 'trees' have not been explained properly either.


I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be rude. I just don't believe NASA when their explanations don't make any sense. I'll wait until someone can show me a 'from the ground' image of the same location before I'm calling this one 'case closed' one way or the other.

-WFA

Much love by the way, I always enjoy reading your posts.

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