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Originally posted by Gazrok
There seem to be some scriptures that imply just that, just as Cain and one other (the Roman soldier that stuck the spear into Christ...creating the Spear of Destiny), are rumored to be cursed with walking the world forever...
Interestingly enough, I've even seen this idea exploited in two different films, Seventh Sign, and the latest Dracula spin....
Originally posted by worldwatcher
Come on, Judas must be in Heaven, if JESUS Can't FORGIVE him, what's the point of the religion then????
Plus the fact that it was to have been pre-ordained already by GOD.
Originally posted by Leveller
Jesus HAD to be betrayed by Judas as the prophesies demanded it. Without Judas there could have been no crucifixion.
Judas was't stupid, he was a trusted disciple. He knew the prophesies and was almost certainly a willing participant. It goes against logic to believe that Judas acted for money alone - fulfilling the prophesies was what the whole story was about. As a disciple, Judas didn't need money (thier were many rich benefactors to the group) and although the Bible tells you that he stole, he was more than likely just the treasurer for Jesus' group. Money going missing was added later to make Judas look as if he was fully playing the part required of him.
It's highly likely that the betrayal of Jesus by Judas was planned between the pair of them. Jesus certainly knew of it and Judas was also aware that he was expected to fulfill his part.