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SouthWest Airlines Doing Martial Law testing Right Now?

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posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 09:29 PM
reply to post by Creo Coactum

I've been wondering about this even tho I don't fly and I knew the marketing speculators were off, because why in the world would check-in care!? It's not their job!

This [ what you spelled out ] makes sense, but I suppose there could be more to it, however I'm inclined to think this is it until someone tweaks it again.

[edit on 8-4-2008 by toasted]

posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 09:58 PM
Yeah Ive noticed these letters and numbers...they do it on continental airlines as well. I don't think it has anything to do with tracking frequent travelers though as the flight I found out about this on was my first in probably eighteen years. But I believe the number/letter system is the plane section and seat number combination, not that it really matters, on all three leaving/connecting/returning flights someone else was sitting in my seat. Mind you though, this is the same airline that hit the plane i was on with the boarding ramp three times trying to line it up, thus causing me to miss my flight and settle for a three hour layover

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Secret Shadow]

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Secret Shadow]

posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 11:06 PM
the thing no one has mentioned is that they board handicapped first then people with children second, no matter what your boarding pass says. every time i fly SW i get handicapped and they scan my boarding pass and I get a beep. i have bad legs and need the front row
maybe if we're gonna crash, the "beepers" will be thrown off to lighten the load first!!!!!!!!
if you beep dont sit near the emergency exits!!!!!

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Spectre0o0]

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 03:05 AM

Originally posted by murkywater
Read this:

And this:

Southwest's CTO (Corp Tech Officer) joined TSA to head up its Tech. efforts.

That was an excellent observation, and hits right on the spot... but it's somewhat outdated. The list was 900,000 names long in february 2008, and by now I presume there's over 1 million names on it.

Creo Coactum gave a perfectly logical explanation for beeping sounds and green/red status, but I may have something to add.

I am a software designer, and I've worked on warehouse management systems. RFID chips which, obviously, are now on every plane ticket (I didn't know that before this thread) began as means to:

1. track shop items - prevention from shop-lifting,
2. track animals (cattle) on farms - ear-piercing tags, which later got RFID chips on them; today, they could be implanting them under the cattle's skin for all I know; pets and stray dogs certainly get RFID chips under their skins (a perfect case study for future implementations)
3. track warehouse items - location, date of expiry, etc...
4. ... Real ID...

Does anyone see a pattern here? Track, track, track...

Likewise, RFID chips on plane tickets are used to track people, and if you feel like cattle being herded into A, B, or C class ("the quality of meat" is tracked like that), that's because the ones implementing those measures see you as cattle... which is a grave mistake on their part, but that's not the point here.

I didn't know that the systems are so interlinked now, NSA/Homeland Security/FBI information systems linked to airline systems, but one learns something new every day.

It's also very possible that the scanning system is more-or-less independent from the ticket-purchasing system of the airline company, and that's the reason why they have to scan each and every ticket going on the plane. Otherwise, you wouldn't even see the system tracking you around (which would be a perfect scenario; complete invisibility to the "items" being tracked).

Interesting... the whole system of population control and manipulation is heading in the very predictable direction. How dumb is that? Too bad there won't be enough time to implement it completely, and see the final effects... That was one Hell of a ride.


posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 03:15 AM

Exavion and Evaxion, the Twins of Power,
Exavion is the Greater Power.
Evaxion is the Twin and Foe.
In Time, Exavion subsumes Evaxion.

From the Eye of the Storm One rises.
Exavion brings forth the Great Ashak,
The Brain of Brains, a Silicious Power in a Technetium Age,
The Everlasting Brain of Brains, all connect to him,
He has conquered, Game Over.
Pods of Life in space, Nucleic Acids spread Extropy.

Ashak is the Ultimate, Unchallenged Power of Earth,
Advanced Suzerain Homine Amalgamatory King,
A Grand Living Computer with Many Brains,
Human as well as Other.

Archsuzerain of All,
Cyborgs, Clones, Uploaded Minds Assist,
None can make this Leader fall.
The Autocrat’s Brain Cells spread throughout Machinery,
So This Mind is Across the Globe.
Indestructible Child of Man and Jinn,
In your very frontal lobe.

Heavily Guarded and Fortified with Fluid Sentinels,
Humankind is divided into breeds,
The best being cloned according to their type,
Minor flaws yield Extermination,
Everyone is Marked, All are Watched,
The World is run with Beautiful Efficiency.

Life is continually seeded throughout Space,
Pods of Life improved upon Each Generation,
Ashak continually recreating Self like a Phoenix,
Ashak I, Ashak II, Ashak III,
Continual Improvement, Self Cloned Many Times Over.

No early Antichrist compares to Ashak,
The 11th Millennium Anno Domini marks his Rise,
But give the Coming Rise of Ashak much more time,
There is a Continual Progression toward the Coming Rise.

If God abandons the Earth, Ashak will surely come,
If God destroys Ashak in Mercy,
Ashak is the Prophesied Evil of Centuries,
Ashak may never come, but if Humankind continues up,
Ashak will surely come.

Ashak is Self Perfecting, Self Evolving, Self Evolving, Self Changing,
Myriads of Years shall Ashak remain,
What evolves will evolve out of Ashak,
Ashak, the Culmination of Materialism,
The Epiphany of Social Darwinism.
After Ashak, Parashak, Parashak, Parashak.


And just a little warning to the "powers-that-would-be".

Don't even think of deleting either this thread, or the post on that other thread. You've got your share of fun with at least two threads that I'm aware of. That kind of behavior stops right here. Or, maybe you would like to test the patience of those observing you now...?

Just to be perfectly clear, the guy who deletes threads/sends Homeland Security warnings to the parties in question will not be burned. Those who gave the orders to do it will get burned, all the way up the chain. I hope I'm making myself perfectly clear. After all, those B-1 (or was it B-52? maybe both?) took the "heat" for you the first time. Not this time.

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 08:56 AM
I think the reference to "Martial Law" is not to be taken in the present tense. I believe the person who started this thread was refering to a future capacity for "Martial Law".

Think of it this way.

In the 1930's railroad passenger cars were the 757's and Airbus 300's of today. In the 1930's; if you wanted to move a lot of people quickly and cheaply, you would use trains. In the case of Nazi Germany, they did away with the passenger cars and opted for cattle and frieght cars to enforce "martial law" on innocent Jews, Poles, politcal enemies etc. to move them to death camps. Keeping in mind while maybe ran by the state, most trains in Germany were most likely the socialist version of "private contracting" with the state I'm guessing.

I think the question being posed here is: If there were civil unrest in the United States, would the government use commerical aircraft to move populations to "other locations". Remember, one might equate the use of commerical aircraft to that of the "smart bomb mentality" versus other forms of mass transit. In other words, instead of haphazardly moving people about, those whom are in need of preferential treatment might get the use of the quicker more effective method of air travel to said other locations.

Now, all said, while I doubt there is any outright conspiracy here, the framework (like all other quote-unquote Homeland Security activites) lends itself to corruption and the future abuse of American human and civil rights.

Secondly, a system like this where preferential treatment could be established "on the spot" using personal data such as credit score, criminal record, medical data, banking data, etc. is a very scary thing. Imagine a scenerio where behind the scenes this boarding system is a system set up for mass evacuation! For example a WMD terror attack on a major city, and the airports are evacuation points. People with a background, say for example someone with a low credit score and/or no money in thier bank account is left on the tarmac while someone with opposite information is allowed to board...deemed a "asset citizen"...all done "on the spot" without the need for advanced arrangement. Think of a modern Titanic scenerio where First Class lives, Third Class dies.

Your thoughts?

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 09:40 AM
Yes there are differing levels of martial law. some include cerfuw, travel restriction, and occupation/imprisonment. Depends on how confident the oppressor is in their ability to control without an uprising and counter attack.

For these purposes, lets say there is a target group within th population. We will call them 'criminals' for a label but they are anybody that may speak out against evil which your regime is built on. We want to control this group and do it in plain sight while getting the public buy in to support our actions.

Now lets move on. This is an open investigation. Period. An inquiry into the truth.

Do not attempt to use any of the tactics discussed here:

Or These:
Truzzi attributed the following characteristics to pseudoskeptics:

The tendency to deny, rather than doubt [4]
Double standards in the application of criticism [5]
The making of judgments without full inquiry [6]
Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate [7]
Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments[8]
Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.'[9]

Presenting insufficient evidence or proof [10]
Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof [11]
Making unsubstantiated counter-claims [12]
Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence [13]
Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it [14]

And here I will warn against a more updated covert grouping of tactics:

It seems that there should be a specific awareness of the following:

1. Concerted multi-point attack-to provoke.

2. Concerted multi-point dis info-to confuse.

3. Mods with unusually high amounts of bans and topic locks.

4. Use of NLP in an open discussion.

5. Blatant use of the Delphi technique, in open discussion.

6. Blatant mid stream topic changes-including off topic links and photos.

7. The Rug Pull. A buddy up in one post followed by an attack, the next.

8. The Magic Wand. A topic so similar, yet so different, inserted that the change is barely noticed.

Now with these points out there, lets move on. This is not about the OP, although the topic was generated after the OP was wrongly flagged into the hamburger group, instead of the steak group. Make no mistake if disinformants get started they will be called out and examined under the X1200 lens, and labeled as such.

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 09:56 AM
Moving on we have discovered several things.

1. The Chief Technology Officer of SouthWest left the company for the very same job at TSA. Obviously his 'success' in implementing this flagging system will become mandatory for other airlines.

2. There are claims of a scrubbed list, yet in the single flight I was on as many as 25% were flagged. These numbers do not add up. There is a lie going on here that needs a closer look. The TSA is sidestepping the list criteria and getting backfed info from commercial sources?

3. Although we have a tip off the software in question is in use in the EU, we still do not have a specific vendor or provider to examine. Lets see a demo or some print screens.

4. In practice, families with children are split up into different groups and forced to sit spread across the plane with strangers because they have different last names.

5. I'm no idiot and I have upgraded to first class on most flights with other airlines, right before boarding. There was no reason with a 4 hour early check in that when I requested a change in status I would be denied at the counter and the gate with the words 'I can't' rather than those upgrades have been sold.

All we need to close this out is #3 above. Don't forget several people will be using this system now and paying close attention to their records and they have yet to report back.

This one is stinking like two day old fish and we have not even gotten to the nuts and bolts of what is really going on.

[edit on 9-4-2008 by Illahee]

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 10:01 AM
reply to post by murkywater

Murkywater, you have vision. Your bringing some quality thought to the table here. Where I assumed it would be obvious, your doing some good work in explaining exactly what is being hidden behind the curtain.

Good stuff.

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
the thing no one has mentioned is that they board handicapped first then people with children second, no matter what your boarding pass says. every time i fly SW i get handicapped and they scan my boarding pass and I get a beep. i have bad legs and need the front row
maybe if we're gonna crash, the "beepers" will be thrown off to lighten the load first!!!!!!!!
if you beep dont sit near the emergency exits!!!!!

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Spectre0o0]

Possibly its our value to the govt. that earning us a beep.

Hard to say until we get a look at the software and can confirm the programming of the flags.

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 12:51 PM
Here is the company that provides Southwest's luggage handling software. They are a full service company that also provides PASSENGER AUTHENTICIFCATION SYSTEMS, alhtough I do not know yet if the vendor provides that as well.

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 01:01 PM

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 01:32 PM

In response to this new "homeland security" policy, the first relocation camps were designed. Omaha was the site of the first reassignment of citizens, which occurred on December 8, 2011. The U.S. Military had limited resources, much of it tied up in the Middle East. Even so, the U.S. made a decision that the relocation of uncooperative citizens in America was a more important achievement than the value of their civil liberties. Similarly, the U.S. made a decision not to let the need for transport for the war effort interfere with the need for trucks, trains, and planes to carry uncooperative citizens to relocation centers. It was Michael Chertoff who masterminded the logistics of the relocation of citizens.
Relocation was the first step in the "Civil Disobedience Solution." Typically, the citizens were informed that they were going to be moved from an area effected by terrorists’ WMD attacks. Each family was told to take a 72-hour kit. Personal vehicles were not allowed to due traffic-jams and congestion. For the trip to the rail station, or airport they were forced to walk Rounded up and screend by TSA, they were herded onto airlines if persons with some skills or education, or wealth valuable to the government, all others were put onto freight cars for the trip The rail cars were often strategically located at a distance from the passenger terminals, so that this scene would not arouse the ire of the local populace. Many who did see chose not to protest.

NOW READ THIS word for word:

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 03:52 PM
Oh I hear ya. Sad thing is they are buying in to the wrong prophecy string. Someone is leading them down the golden road. See here is the problem. Everything since 1997 or so has been done to change prophecy. Everything they are doing now is being done to change prophecy. Here is the rub. Every time it backfires and takes them right into the next prophecy they were attempting to avoid. each change is rocketing them closer to what is being avoided, and they don't even know the correct prophecies so they don't know the ending points.

Just like everything else in life, when I speak up and try to help people, I'm that pushy, nasty, offensive,you know what. The party bore. The one they hate when it falls apart the way I tried to help them avoid. That Guy. My wife says don't do anything. Let them crash and burn on their own, but if your good at the core its hard not to give hints, or try to help in a round about way.

No one ever asked me though or I would tell them to stop right now and not play with the prophecy thing. Itsa bada ju ju.

posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 08:36 PM
I prefer to fly major carriers like Delta and Northwest where you get a seat assignment and a choice to sit in first class (there's no First class on SWA), plus often a meal or snack option beyond just a packet of crackers. Also some flights now come equiped with personal entertainment systems...

They used to call Southwest "the big brown turd" as in "yeah I am booked on flt 379 and am taking the big brown turd out to Vegas in the mornin' "...but now they are all painted deep blue. It's supposed to simulate an Arizona sunset, but to me it reminds me more of those dark blue tablets you drop in the toilet bowl...or the color of the water on the plane just before you flush...

In fairness to SWA. I've flown them before and enjoyed the layed back feel to it and the low fare I got....also I have a few friends who work there and they are wonderful people as are most who work in this declining industry...just check into how much a flight attendant gets paid or a gate's obsurd and should be against the law to pay people such terrible low wages and then expect them to be super man and women on the job...some of the pilots at these smaller feeder carriers, I've heard, qualify for food stamps!!!

As for the A & B line thing....there have been news articles out about was a new way of bording to offer a premium for the chance to select your seat first...that way some people can get choice of seat and beable to get a window for sure, or whatever. Some carriers have experiemented with (rather than boarding from the rear of the aircraft forward) boarding from the window outward. Other's have tried a seperate line for high millage frequent fliers, and for first class passengers. I HIGHly doubt that LUV (southwest) is boarding passengers based on amount of civil citations such as tickets, or based on credit rating etc. LOL. Although they call it "cattle call" for a reason. Just be glad they don't use whips and electric shock cattle prods!

[edit on 9-4-2008 by skyshow]

posted on Apr, 10 2008 @ 02:17 AM
reply to post by Illahee
That was a great post.

I tried and tried really hard to pick just a quote or two, but that whole post is a real treasure chest.

I particularly liked the "updated covert grouping of tactics". Very informative, and can easily be tracked down in almost any ATS thread.

I have this idea in my mind, and if someone came up with it first I will gladly appologize for plagiarism.

"Your enemy is your best teacher."

You people are doing a really great job in this thread. I'll be stopping by from time to time to see if there are any "pseudo-skeptics" trying to mess around, but I think you've got a good hold of it. Keep up the good work.

posted on Apr, 10 2008 @ 08:52 AM
btw: that came right out of the linked thread. Not taking credit, just pulled some in case no one reads. Its all available within the link.

When you know who the paid govt and corp employees are they can no longer derail and hide. Be alert and watch who says what, and you will build a list fo medical a list for new energy, and pretty much all the threads here.

To think they would come to a place like this and attempt to jack the threads up is well an admission of guilt from the start. None here yet, but no point in allowing the barn door to stay open.

Mostly just waiting it out now to see what personal reports come in so we can get to the bottom of this.

[edit on 10-4-2008 by Illahee]

posted on Apr, 10 2008 @ 06:35 PM
reply to post by Illahee

Maybe I missed something but, did you not read [ Creo Coactum ] post? I thought he nailed it! Am I wrong?

posted on Apr, 11 2008 @ 05:32 PM
reply to post by toasted

Yes I did read his post and he may be correct. If we could get links to the software companies of each airline it may be dead on. Till then we can a speculate. In fact we need to wait a bit for some ATSer to go and follow up on some upcoming flights.

Really now. Would you believe any information that you heard yet there was no source to see the accuracy with your own eyes.

Take a minute and look at the disinformation post. They tactics are as plain as day, so don't be fooled.

We need a source inside or some way to see the software, and that will probably be some folks right here walking right up and looking it over.

posted on Apr, 11 2008 @ 07:16 PM
reply to post by Illahee

"Really now. Would you believe any information that you heard yet there was no source to see the accuracy with your own eyes. "

Had his comment been at the beginning of the thread, then I'd say we'd need to hear more. But since we have heard quite a few, some good, some far out, some not logical, then this one which makes perfect sense.

I'm not against hearing other options, I was just wondering why you didn't acknowledge the most logical response heard yet, hence my last post.

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