WTC 7 Serious Proof of Controlled Demoltions

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
DID WTC7 HAVE ENOUGH MAJOR DAMAGE TO CAUSE A COLLAPSE OR NOT?

If the answer to that was simple, I'd imagine NIST would have released a report on it by now. Correct?

www.nist.gov...

The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:

An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, as the large floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7, that were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, resulting in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.





[edit on 9-4-2008 by fastfingersfunk]

[edit on 9-4-2008 by fastfingersfunk]

dang double posting on me.

[edit on 9-4-2008 by fastfingersfunk]

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

The WTC towers were constructed to withstand 3 simultaneous hits by large airplanes

Do you have a source for that?

The building fire alarm system [for WTC 7] was placed on TEST for a period of 8 h beginning at 6:47:03 a.m. on September 11, 2001. Ordinarily, this is requested when maintenance or other testing is being performed on the system, so that any alarms that are received from the system are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored.

NIST

After the initial blast [Flight 11 hitting WTC 1], Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said

READ MORE HEREHanging Around WTC 7





And for the clencher...

Explosions occurred in WTC 7 before either of the twin towers had collapsed.

Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven.

www.groundzerospirit.org...

Molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed [from WTCs 1 & 2],” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon

www.americanfreepress.net...

At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to "leave, and leave right away". Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings.

The interview has been cut off where they say how they made it to the lobby, but when they did make it down, Mr. Jennings found it destroyed and littered with dead bodies. He said it looked like, "King Kong had came through it and stepped on it, so destroyed, I didn't know where I was. So destroyed that they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, that I believe the fire department made to get me out." Shortly after he made it out, he was seen on several news channels telling his story.

What do you make of all these facts?

World trade Center 7 was without a doubt brought down with controlled demolitions. We all know that.


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Originally posted by IvanZana
World trade Center 7 was without a doubt brought down with controlled demolitions. We all know that.

No. You keep claiming that, but repeating it doesn't make it true.

Have you figured out who in the FDNY was involved yet?

The topic tite is not "Who in the Fdny is responsible?"



And to you.... Doesnt matter how many times you post the OVERLY DEBUNKED official story, your not going to convince anyone of your fantastic theories exspecially 7 years later.

The official story is the most rediculous conspiracy theory involving 911, thats why it has been debunked by Firemen, Police, Engineers, Scientists and anyone with an IQ over 80.

But you seem to be having a hard time excepting the truth and all the facts presented.

You seem to be ingnoring facts.....

Explosions occurred in WTC 7 before either of the twin towers had collapsed.

Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven.
www.groundzerospirit.org...

BEFORE......

and.....

On the morning of 911 Barry Jennings with Mr. Hess, one of Rudy Giuliani's highest ranking appointed officials, New York city's corporation counsel, (Hess is a Yale and Harvard graduate, a lawyer who has represented the United States in numerous major cases).

It was just after the first attack on the North tower, but before the second plane hit the South Tower, when Barry Jennings escorted Michael Hess to the World Trade Center Tower 7. Mr. Jennings recalls a large number of police officers in the lobby of WTC 7 when they arrived. The two men went up to the 23rd floor, but could not get in, so they went back to the lobby and the police took them up in the freight elevator for a second try. When they arrived on level 23, at the Office of Emergency Management they found it had been recently deserted, "coffee that was on the desk, smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half eaten sandwiches".

At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to "leave, and leave right away". Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings.

www.opednews.com...

Originally posted by IvanZana
You seem to be ingnoring facts.....

Explosions occurred in WTC 7 before either of the twin towers had collapsed.

Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven.
www.groundzerospirit.org...

BEFORE......

Are CD explosives the only thing that could create the sound of an explosion?

Originally posted by nicepants
Are CD explosives the only thing that could create the sound of an explosion?

Why would there be explosions before any tower collapsed to begin with? I think would be the pertinent question here.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by nicepants
Are CD explosives the only thing that could create the sound of an explosion?

Why would there be explosions before any tower collapsed to begin with? I think would be the pertinent question here.

A great question for a fire-fighter. There are lots of things that can go "boom" when you've got a large office building & 2 757s on fire.

Originally posted by nicepants
A great question for a fire-fighter. There are lots of things that can go "boom" when you've got a large office building & 2 757s on fire.

I wasn't aware of a large office fire and/or 2 757's on fire at WTC 7. That's news to me.

At least before any tower had collapsed.

[edit on 4/9/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by IvanZana

World trade Center 7 was without a doubt brought down with controlled demolitions. We all know that.

wrong. no evidence suggests it was brought down with a controlled demolition.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
It is clear to me that WTC 7 came down, not through some controlled demolitions -- but because it was overloaded with case files of ENRON, Haliburton, Carlyse Group, and about $17 Billion in a fraud charge against the Bush family on some phony bills that they were involved in -- I can't find the actual case right at the moment, but you should be able to find it on the web. But I was amazed that it wasn't front-page news how much they were going to be personally responsible for,... oh wait, no, since about 2002 I'm not amazed by anything anymore when it concerns our press in this country.

The number of cases against the NeoCons and their pet companies in that building, should have crushed it into dust years ago. We are lucky it lasted this long.

Do a search some time on the cases that were lost in that Building.

By the way, Guiliani was given about $100,000 in campaign donations to locate his Emergency headquarters in that building -- why would someone care that much that he put Emergency response in any particular building?

Do you really think the CIA, FBI, IRS, and other regulatory and investigative government agencies do not have backups, and many electronic records when they are conducting investigations? Especially on high profile people? You are saying that people like Bush and other crooked people were going to be in trouble so much that there only way out was to destroy 3 buildings and kill thousands of innocent people? And by doing so, they would destroy ALL evidence??

And nobody has provided a logical explanation to my last question of my first post on this thread...


Edit: My question:


One of the biggest questions I have regarding all the theories of our government being involved in 9/11 is due to simple human nature...What I mean is if 9/11 was an, "inside job," it would have HAD to have been a HUGE cover-up from many people with knowledge in the highest ranks of our government, to news media, law enforcement, etc.

Thousands of people would have either have to have been involved, or found out information after the fact that 100% would prove this. One of the traits of human nature is that many people like to talk and can't keep secrets, even with their life on the line.

If 9/11 was an inside job, nobody finds it odd that no people from all the people that would have had to be involved at some level have not come out to say, "o.k., I admit it. The government staged 9/11 and xyz was my role?" As far as I know this has not occurred. If 1 "legitimate" claim was made I would also think that others would feel encouraged to also disclose this information.

I am not trying to put down anybody's views here, so please no bashing. I am genuinely interested in the responses, especially to my last question.

How in the world could that many people hide a conspiracy of that magnitude? I mean even somebody telling their spouse>their spouse telling a friend>Their friend telling friends>on and on....???





[edit on 9-4-2008 by Comsence2075]

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About your question. Imagine if it wasn't our government but another government and our government is hiding the fact that they f'ed up and let it happen?

Would all the people involved in that other government be so willing to talk? Do we tell other nations what we've done?

I think you are focusing on our government and not encompassing another nation that doesn't give 2-sh*ts about our people. Why would they feel guilty and inclined to confess?

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by nicepants
A great question for a fire-fighter. There are lots of things that can go "boom" when you've got a large office building & 2 757s on fire.

I wasn't aware of a large office fire and/or 2 757's on fire at WTC 7. That's news to me.

At least before any tower had collapsed.

[edit on 4/9/2008 by Griff]

757s on fire in WTC 1 & 2. The collapse of those towers caused damage and started fires in WTC7. Are you saying people heard explosions in WTC7 prior to the collapse of either tower?

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it really helps to actually read the things that you yourself are quoting and responding to.

Originally posted by nicepants

Originally posted by IvanZana
You seem to be ingnoring facts.....

Explosions occurred in WTC 7 before either of the twin towers had collapsed.

Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven.
www.groundzerospirit.org...

BEFORE......

Are CD explosives the only thing that could create the sound of an explosion?

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by nicepants

 

it really helps to actually read the things that you yourself are quoting and responding to.

Originally posted by nicepants

Originally posted by IvanZana
You seem to be ingnoring facts.....

Explosions occurred in WTC 7 before either of the twin towers had collapsed.

Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven.
www.groundzerospirit.org...

BEFORE......

Are CD explosives the only thing that could create the sound of an explosion?

Post a link to the actual source URL, please.

reply to post by nicepants


Here's his own words.

youtube.com...

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by nicepants

 

Here's his own words.

youtube.com...

Your source is the Alex Jones Show? Why am I not surprised.

This guy's story isn't corroborated by anyone. Are his words alone how you concluded that there were explosions in WTC7 prior to either tower collapsing?