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Topic started on 7-4-2008 @ 03:35 PM by DimensionalDetective

The Emerging Surveillance State:Ron Paul


www.house.gov
The new FISA bill allows the federal government to compel many more types of companies and individuals to grant the government access to our communications without a warrant. The provisions in the legislation designed to protect Americans from warrantless surveillance are full of loopholes and ambiguities. There is no blanket prohibition against listening in on all American citizens without a warrant.

We have been told that this power to listen in on communications is legal and only targets terrorists. But if what these companies are being compelled to do is legal, why is it necessary to grant them immunity? If what they did in the past was legal and proper, why is it necessary to grant them retroactive immunity?

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reply posted on 7-4-2008 @ 04:15 PM by biggie smalls
Well the police/surveillance state is already upon us, it just depends what definition you use for either.

Warrantless wiretaps, speed cameras, passports/ID cards being microchipped, etc etc.

Where do you draw the line between "security" and fascism? I'd say we've crossed it years ago, ever since 9/11.

How about invading 2 sovereign nations, is that enough? Does that classify a country as a 'rogue' state? Countless human rights violations, mercenary forces, etc etc...

I mean seriously, unless you're completely asleep at the wheel, how can any of this not upset you?

How about the Patriot Act 1 & 2, Violent Homegrown terrorism bill, all of Bush's cronies resigning because of scandals.

Its a sad sad world we live in where criminals can run a country into the ground and people still back them up.

I do not have to support the President to be patriotic. I did not vote for him (not to mention he lost both elections) nor did I pledge allegiance to Mr. Bush.

I pledge allegiance to God almighty, not some nation that's fallen from its values and ideals.

DD, you might appreciate this
thread on quantum surveillance and this: Fingerprint Scanners Help Companies Track Workers and there's more I just can't find them right now.

The police state has already begun.

I would also recommend checking out privacyinternational.org

Check out these two maps, one from 2006 and the latter from 2007:









The US is now a surveillance state. It wasn't a few years ago probably because they didn't do enough research, but now it is.

Don't worry NSA/CIA I know you're listening. I'm caught on candid camera and I don't give a *&^#@*&$#

[edit on 4/7/2008 by biggie smalls]



reply posted on 8-4-2008 @ 12:38 AM by LostNemesis
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



This makes me sad. It is already too late, as the people and media have already sworn off Ron Paul. Even on this forum, the ex Ron Paul supporters are talking about voting Obama as the "lesser of the evils". Makes me sick on a forum where "Deny Ignorance" seems to be the big thing, that members here are ignorant.

Obama will save us from this police state! He will give every illegal free medical! He will give us "change" !! Obama, Obama, Obama....

Depressing.
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