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Originally posted by bolshevik
bearing in mind any true form of socialism is somewhat unlikely, the ideal must be a form of social democracy, compassionate capitalism perhaps. the problem with that is that compassion and capitalism are incompatible.
if progression does occur, it wont be as final as giving up on the american dream, contemporary politics or whatever you want to call it. its simply a matter of learning from mistakes and moving on. that must surely be the definition of progression
anyways, im going to bed. its 1am here and ive got work tomorrow. and no i dont work for a big corporation. i work for oxfam like a good socialist.
Originally posted by John Nada
I don't know how to respond to this thread as I see no solution, it's quite depressing. It just brings that George Carlin line to mind:
"We're all fooked, it helps to remember that"
Originally posted by Agent47
Originally posted by John Nada
I don't know how to respond to this thread as I see no solution, it's quite depressing. It just brings that George Carlin line to mind:
"We're all fooked, it helps to remember that"
Well you could debate how we could theoretically stop our lives being taken away from us or you could help debate whos at fault for allowing it to happen. I just love the thread thats all.
Originally posted by John Nada
It looks like it's too late.
Originally posted by Agent47
Originally posted by John Nada
It looks like it's too late.
So what are you gonna do as it gets worse?
Originally posted by DeusEx
Imagine if Texaco jsut upped, left and went to Europe or Russia. There would be hundreds of thousands of jobs lost, and a huge shortage of petro products in the States.
Originally posted by Agent47
AAAh now your making me feel like theres no point in resisting. This is reminding me of THEY LIVE only there is no satellite I can destroy. Jeez.
Originally posted by BeingWatchedByThem
Corporations will rule above humans as long as the (law) definition of:
"person" includes; firms, corporations, or other organizations as well as flesh & blood people.
And not only natural persons, (blood & flesh humans), corporations are superior to regular people, because they have legal protections (asset protections, etc. ) that humans do not. As well as the rights (generally) that regular (flesh & blood) humans have.
Look at the different types of businesses, and you'll see what i mean.
[Edited on 2-24-2004 by BeingWatchedByThem]
Originally posted by DeltaChaos
Originally posted by DeusEx
Imagine if Texaco jsut upped, left and went to Europe or Russia. There would be hundreds of thousands of jobs lost, and a huge shortage of petro products in the States.
Gotta disagree with this one. If Texaco made the mistake of leaving the U.S., nay, if ANY oil company made the mistake - they would no longer be able to justify the expense of digging the stuff up. Oil companies are big BECAUSE of the U.S.
Originally posted by DeusEx
Let us begin with the above quote- there are HUGE markets for petroleum products all over the world, especially where there are shortages and it's expensive- places like China, Russia, and some eastern european nations. The US takes in the lion's share of oil, but that doesn't mean they are the most profitable place to sell oil products. There's killings to be made if you know where to look.
Back to the subject at hand- corporate security forces. I'm fairly sure Wackenhut could wage a small war if it wanted, as well as a number of other companies. A large worry is that other companies operating in third world countries are building up large paramilitary forces to protect assets, ei. private security armed with milspec gear. Corps exploiting people in SE asia have to occasionally deal with pirates, or the poor who become violent, or local gangs/syndicates/etc.
Bringing this up, what about organized crime as major corporations, as well as leeches on them. Ever hear of sokaiya?
DE
Originally posted by McGotti
man, I have so much to say on the discussion I dont know what to say.
We have to separate politics from corporations.Thats the first step IMO.
But thats easier said than done right?
Originally posted by DeusEx
Agent, agent, calm down. One problem at a time.
DE