Ooops. Sorry, just got carried away from seeing that figure, that's all

jackinthebox: Excellent links and reading. Thanks

banyan: my reasoning exactly. Dissappearing is not that easy nowdays. Without I.D. you cant even book a motel let alone leave the country. I doubt many people are specialist in I.D. Fakery.

Andolin brought up the idea of people who might "jump" into our universe from elsewhere ending up in a psychiatry.

I think thats a really interesting idea and worth researching.

If there are any psych-ward employees reading this:

How many patients in your mental institution claim to be from another world?

[edit on 6-4-2008 by Skyfloating]

I just posted to you in another forum and someone brought this thread to my attention. They actually thought that I may have misposted because he saw a distinct tie to the two.
Anyway what I will say is this with 'all' of the missing persons yearly in the world and how the coverups work, is that yes we get daily amber alerts to warn people to be on the look out for missing people but then eventually the names fad into the abyss of lost souls never to be spoken of again in public domain, that is unless they fall into the minute category of those that have families desperately trying to raise public awareness through the media. They too usually end up on the forgotten list after so much time and you never hear of it again.
Now with all the missing people dont you think that by now we would see and hear people on every corner of the planet shouting out for their lost loved ones? Why is this conspiracy so deeply shadowed in the depths of secrecy that we are not faced with a huge out cry on a regular basis?
There is most certainly something so despicable, so evil that the public the general public is simply numb to its reality.
Have you heard of the children in Florida that were lost somehow in the Foster system? Their was one woman that spoke out not long ago about how she had worked in the system for many years and when she refused to turn a deaf ear to the situation and a nudge nudge wink wink, she was fired and not only fired but brought up on some trumped up charges to be made an example of. Now somehow she had one of her coworkers come forward as the sentance was being prepared, and it saved her butt. However it did not find the missing children or bring light to the situation, just served as a warnig to any that oppose. Where are the families? Why are they not pounding down the doors of the state capitol together? Big questions going unanswered here and it is hight ime someone brought this thread forward. Thanks Sky.

[edit on 6-4-2008 by antar]

Originally posted by antar
Have you heard of the children in Florida that were lost somehow in the Foster system?

No. More info please.

On December 1, 1949, Mr. Tetford vanished from a crowded bus. Tetford was on his way home to Bennington from a trip to St. Albans, Vermont. Tetford, an ex-soldier who lived in the Soldier's Home in Bennington, was sitting on the bus with 14 other passengers. They all testified to seeing him there, sleeping in his seat. When the bus reached its destination, however, Tetford was gone, although his belongings were still on the luggage rack and a bus timetable lay open on his empty seat. Tetford has never returned or been found.

This is from a source linked by Witness2008.

Apart from the dark dealings of kidnappings and child-abductions there also seems to be the relatively frequent phenomena of people falling asleep and then disappearing.

This might be, imo, linked to the phenomena of entering a parallel universe while in a lucid dream.

10,000,000 looks like a big number, but if you scatter that ten million throughout a big world with approaching 7 BILLION (that's 7,000,000,000.... or seven thousand million, 1 out of every 700 people on average), it's really simple to misplace 1 in 700 things.... but what about people, who all have separate paths in which they choose to follow? Let's say half of those people are found every year.... the remaining number you are left with is something like 1 in every 14,000 people go missing and stay missing every year. Let's take into consideration that maybe approx. half of those missing that stay missing are eventually either found dead or are alive and living a new identity (are explainable). That leaves us with 1 in every 28,000 people missing and never found again with no explanation worldwide.

Honestly, that's a pretty tame number, compared to other species death/dissapearance rates goes.

Given how big the world is, how wreckless humanity is, how hard people are willing to look for one single person lost on planet Earth, it could be any number of naturally occuring things. It could be unsolved crimes, unseen accidents, unaccounted for people, many many relatively mundane things that we all know happen.

With that number as high as it is, and as easy as it is to slip one in 28,000 people away without much effect on the community or the function of society, it's also very easy to imagine a clandestine operation scooping people up at random and taking them deep within the Earth (which is almost unexplored) to do very cruel and unusual things to them in the name of advancing knowledge for certain clandestine individuals.

Keep in mind these calculations were rough, as they came right off the top of my head... but people forget just how many of us are skittering around here on the surface of this planet, which is a very big size for a solid planetoid, compared to others. We're not even considering all the space there is underneath our feet, underneath our oceans, in our mountain ranges, all this potential space for people and creatures to hide and/or be hidden. You could hide the entire human population from sight in cave systems alone!

Don't underestimate the ability to keep things hidden.

This reminds me of the story of one of the earliest english settlements in the new world at Roanoke Island. The entire colony had dissapeared without a trace. No signs of battle were found and no provisions were taken from the colony. Pretty much everything was found in such a way that it appears as though everyone had just simply vanished while going about their everyday lives. To this day it has not yet been solved.

If I knew about the possibility of entering a parallel universe whilst dreaming lucidly, I would have been reluctant to make any effort exploring the dream realm. Now that the ability to enter the dream realm is hard wired into my subconscious, I will take caution. Come to think of it, how do I know that I still reside in my original reality if the difference between the realities are almost unnoticeable? Highly doubt it, but a scary thought indeed.

There may be a far more sinister angle. They may be being digested by creatures able to leap unseen into our world and back out again. There may be some that have been eaten (their molecules digested into energy). I can't reference this to any written works but it is a distinct possibility, based one some of the other concepts working together.

Not much anyone can do to stop it.

i wonder if people are simply missing because they are part of some blck project. I remember reading a thread few months back where this guy was claiming that a good friend of his was offered a "job" and pretty much overnight ass his belongings were sold and his debts payed off and he simply dissapeared. While this might be some of the usual hogwash that floats around ATS the idea itself might not be so far fetched. I've always wondered if people are taken offworld somewhere. Ive often wondered if all missing children were just taken by perverts or perhaps they were taken to be used in experimentation. Note that the census does not keep track of homeless people that go missing.

Come to think of it, how do I know that I still reside in my original reality if the difference between the realities are almost unnoticeable? Highly doubt it, but a scary thought indeed.

Here's a logical thought (whether our "logic" applies or not is a different question): the one on which (= on its premises and "facts") you base your observations, conclusions and decisions, the one into which your conscience wakes up every day (and from which you're now writing), is your primary residence.

But - and this is obviously a speculative thought - you may be able to create other realities and transfer your consciousness into the one that you like. To do so, you'll have to use your (subtle) heart, not your rational mind - your creative imagination, not your fantasy.

This is off-topic (or is it?), so I won't pursue this line of thought any further within this thread. I am sure there will be another, more appropriate occasion for such a discussion.



[edit on 6-4-2008 by Vanitas]

i wonder if people are simply missing because they are part of some blck project.

Even if that were so, it certainly wouldn't account for all, or even the majority, of cases. The beggar that my mother saw, for example, certainly wasn't the victim of any such project.
(There WAS a "project" going on at the time - namely, the disposal by the Nazi regime of all "asocial" and "antisocial elements"- i.e. beggars, severely handicapped people, the mentally ill, etc. - but at the time of the beggar's appearance/ disappearance there was nobody around. Not even the Gestapo could have been THAT fast. :-))





[edit on 6-4-2008 by Vanitas]

I'm pretty sure Roanoke was just a propaganda stunt to help boost the sales of ghost town merchants.

Because ya know, back then, people had a lot of time to take vacations and get caught in tourist traps. They had tin powered station wagons and kids screaming to go to the bathroom, and they just couldn't handle it anymore, so they snapped their fingers, spiralled out of existence, and turned their children into an abandoned ghost town with crappy souvenirs.

Their dog...... turned into George Washington and freed a nation.

God Bless Dogman...ton...ville.

Oh yeah and go USA. Woot, corporate monkeys... woot.