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Posted by: Richard Parker (IP Logged)
Date: April 7, 2008 05:44AM
Greenland Eskimos count in exactly the same way as the natives of New Caledonia, by counting fingers to 'one hand'.
Their word for 5 is tûdlemût. It's the same at Point Barrow, Alaska.
A New Caledonia (Bierebo) word for the same number is also 'hand' - chima.
The Maori word is e rima (also hand).
The Australian aborigine (Wik-Mungan, Cape York) word is ima (also hand).
The Papua New Guinea word (Weliki) is meme bisuk, meaning handful.
In my Filipino town the word for 5 is lima, and the word for full (after a meal) is bisuq.
The very obvious similarity of word sounds shows that Greenland was settled by New Zealanders, by way of Australia, New Guinea, the Philippines, and Alaska.
Everything above the last sentence is fact, and the last sentence is only a proven hypothesis, so it's also declared a fact.
The Akkadian word for 5 was hamish, and the modern Arabic is xamsah, Hebrew xamesh, but I feel that suggesting that New Zealanders went all the way to Mesopotamia before proceeding to Greenland might be ridiculed, so I'll shut up now.
regards
Richard
Since most of the physical evidence for ancient civ found so far (there is lots) has, in the eyes of most people, been shown to be false/inconclusive, I see evidence of a likely coverup.
Originally posted by diablomonic
1) is it real? do you agree these are real places/people etc, is there something missing from this description that explains it all
2) if real, do you therefore consider them to be all just coincidence? what other explanation that doesn't include Atlantis existing do you have?
“The Atlantis story was preserved at the Canary Islands perhaps in far greater detail than even Plato’s account before the imposition of Christianity, which affected Guanche culture like a blight. Perhaps the most revealing of all surviving material connecting the Canary Islanders to Atlantis is found in the Tois Aethiopikes by Marcellus. In 45 A.D., he recorded that ‘the inhabitants of the Atlantic island of Poseidon preserve a tradition handed down to them by their ancestors of the existence of an Atlantic island of immense size of not less than a thousand stadia [about 115 miles], which had really existed in those seas, and which, during a long period of time, governed all the islands of the Atlantic Ocean.’ Pliny the Elder seconded Marcellus, writing that the Guanches were in fact the direct descendants of the disaster that sank Atlantis. Proclus reported that they still told the story of Atlantis in his day, circa 410 A.D.” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (130)
“Marcellus, in a work on the Ethiopians, speaks of seven islands lying in the Atlantic Ocean - probably the Canaries - and the inhabitants of these islands, he says, preserve the memory of a much greater island, Atlantis, ‘which had for a long time exercised dominion over the smaller ones.’" -Didot Müller, "Fragmenta Historicorum Græcorum," vol. IV (443)
“The Maya have much in common with the Indians as well. As to the similarities between the Mayan and Hindu religion and language, Hinduism Today says, ‘Chacla in Mayan refers to force centers of the body similar to the chakras of Hinduism. K’ultanlilni in Mayan refers to the power of God within man which is controlled by the breath, similar in meaning to kundalini. Mayan chilambalam refers to a sacred space, as does Tamil Chidambaram. Yok’hah in Maya means ‘on top of truth,’ similar to yoga in Sanskrit.’ The Maya also had the same goddess Maya, mother of the gods and man, as in India. Furthermore, the legendary founder of the Maya was the god Votan or Wotan, a name identical to the god of Teutonic tribes. There are many such correspondences between the Old and New Worlds.” -Acharya S., “The Christ Conspiracy” (276)
“The tree sacred to Atlas; its branches, like his arms, supported the heavens. The oak’s association with Atlas implies a primeval tree cult or pillar cult, a memory
of it surviving in Kritias, Plato’s Atlantis account, when he described a ceremonial
column at the very midpoint of the Temple of Poseidon, itself located at the center
of Atlantis. The Atlanteans’ oldest, most hallowed laws were inscribed on its
exterior and sacrificial bull’s blood was shed over it by all 10 kings of Atlantis in
that civilization’s premiere ritual.” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (208)
“Bulls were associated with divine regents in Sumer, Egypt, Assyria, Minoan
Crete, Greece, Rome, Iberia, and Ireland. All of these cultures featured traditions
of a great deluge from which their ancestors came with all the accoutrements of a
high civilization, including, most importantly, matters of kingship. In each people,
their king was ritually identified with a sacred bull, because it was important for a
leader to identify with the tremendous strength and aggressiveness epitomized by
such an animal. In pre-Celtic Ireland, the new monarch had to undergo a ceremonial
bath of bull’s broth, which he then drank from an Atlantean-like golden cup.
The Egyptian Hape, better remembered by his Greek name, Apis, was the sacred
bull of Memphis. Like the bulls at the Temple of Poseidon, he was allowed to roam
free in a courtyard of the temple.” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (78)
“In this West African version of the flood, Obatala is the Yoruba version of the
Greco-Atlantean Atlas: Oba denotes kingship, while atala means ‘white.’ Yoruba
priests wear only white robes while worshipping him, and images of the god are
offered only white food. Among these sacrifices are white kola and goats, recalling
the Atlantean goat cults known to the ancient Canary Islanders, off the coast
of northwest Africa, and the Iberian Basque. Obatala’s chief title is ‘King of
Whiteness,’ because he is revered as the white-skinned ‘Ancient Ruler’ and
‘Father’ of the Yoruba race by a native woman, Oduduwa. Like Atlas, Obatala
was a giant in the middle of the sea, and the ‘seven chains’ which signal the end of
the Deluge may coincide with the seven Pleiades, associated throughout much of
world myth with the Flood’s conclusion. Directly across the Atlantic Ocean, in the
west, the Aztec version of Atlantis – Aztlan - was referred to as the ‘White Island.’
In the opposite direction, in the east, Hindu traditions in India described ancestral
origins from Attala, likewise known as the ‘White Island.’” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (209)
“‘The White Island’ described in the great Indian epic Mahabharata and in
the epic poems, the Puranas, as the mountainous homeland of a powerful and
highly civilized race located in ‘the Western Sea’ on the other side of the world
from India … Atala itself sank in a violent storm.” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (33)
“The nations on the west of the Atlantic look to the 'east' for their place of origin; while on the east of the Atlantic they look to the 'west': thus all the lines of tradition converge upon Atlantis. But here is the same testimony that in the Garden of Eden there were four rivers radiating from one parent stream. And these four rivers, as we have seen, we find in the Scandinavian traditions, and in the legends of the Chinese, the Tartars, the Singhalese, the Thibetians, the Buddhists, the Hebrews, and the Brahmans. And not only do we find this tradition of the Garden of Eden in the Old World, but it meets us also among the civilized races of America. The elder Montezuma said to Cortez, "Our fathers dwelt in that happy and prosperous place which they called Aztlan, which means 'whiteness.’” –Ignatius Donnelly, “Atlantis: The Antediluvian World”
“The history of the old testament is the history of Atlantis.” -Comyns Beaumont
“The American Tree of Life - The Toltec legends speak of a garden, a tree, a serpent and a woman that was the mother of all mankind. They also speak of a race of giants that were in the world from the earliest times.” -Ignatius Donnelly, “Atlantis and the Antediluvian World”
“(The) Tree of Life (is) a mythic allusion to the human spinal column as the bearer of seven major energy centers known as chakras, or spiritual ‘wheels’ in Indian kundalini yoga. The concept originated in Atlantis, with its seven Hesperides, daughters of Atlas, and the golden apples of eternal life they guarded.” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (272)
"Mythology often appears to be describing body sensations when it speaks of serpents, as well as describing the human spine, which can be symbolized as the tree or twin trees or the serpent or twin serpents. The serpent image connected with the spine has its best-known representation in the Indian Kundalini mythology. Chetwynd (1982) describes body symbolism that is related to the serpent as ‘connected with the spinal column, which joins the physical nature (the genitals) to the spiritual nature (the head).’” -Gerry Anne Lenhart, “The Genesis Model”
Originally posted by freight tomsen
. . . I give you Charles Berlitz, speaker of 32 languages, whose research leads him to belief in Atlantis and one human mother-tongue. . . .
“A new center – presently dormant in the average man or woman – has to be activated and a more powerful stream of psychic energy must rise into the head from the base of the spine to enable the human consciousness to transcend the normal limits. This is the final phase of the present evolutionary impulse in man. The cerebrospinal system of man has to undergo a radical change, enabling consciousness to transcend the limits of the highest intellect. Here reason yields to intuition and revelation appears to guide the steps of humankind. This mechanism, known as Kundalini, is the real cause of all so-called spiritual and psychic phenomena, the biological basis of evolution and development of personality, the secret origin of all esoteric and occult doctrines, the master key to the unsolved mystery of creation, the inexhaustible source of philosophy, art, and science, and the fountainhead of all religious faiths, past, present and future.” -Dr. Lee Sanella, “The Kundalini Experience”
“So what is meant by the term Kundalini experience? Kundalini is a Sanskrit word that can be translated as ‘coiled up.’ Kundalini is represented in many Tantrik illustrations as a sleeping serpent, coiled 3 ½ times, at the base of the spinal cord. The popular view of Kundalini is that it is a dormant power that lies waiting to be unleashed, by means of various practices. The ‘serpent power,’ once awakened, is coaxed up the central channel of the spine, entering the chakras (psychic energy centres) until it reaches the Crown chakra - and the yogi achieves ‘illumination.’” -Phil Hine, “Kundalini, A Personal Approach”
“The caduceus symbol of coiling snakes is thought to be an ancient symbolic representation of Kundalini physiology. The concept of Kundalini comes from yogic philosophy of ancient India and refers to the mothering intelligence behind yogic awakening and spiritual maturation. It might be regarded by yogis as a sort of deity, hence the occasional capitalization of the term. Within a western frame of understanding it is often associated with the practice of contemplative or religious practices that might induce an altered state of consciousness, either brought about spontaneously, through a type of yoga, through psychedelic drugs, or through a near-death experience …According to the yogic tradition Kundalini is curled up in the back part of the root chakra in three and one-half turns around the sacrum. Yogic phenomenology states that kundalini awakening is associated with the appearance of bio-energetic phenomena that are said to be experienced somatically by the yogi. This appearance is also referred to as ‘pranic awakening’. Prana is interpreted as the vital, life-sustaining force in the body. Uplifted or intensified life-energy is called pranotthana and is supposed to originate from an apparent reservoir of subtle bio-energy at the base of the spine. This energy is also interpreted as a vibrational phenomena that initiates a period, or a process of vibrational spiritual development … Kundalini is mainly associated with Hinduism. However, Kundalini as a spiritual experience is thought to have parallels in many of the mystical and Gnostic traditions of the world's great religions. Many factors point to the universality of the phenomenon. The early Christians might have referred to the concept as 'pneuma', and there are some recent parallels in contemporary Christian Charismatic 'Holy Ghost' phenomena. Religious studies also note parallels in Quakerism, Shakerism, Judaic Shuckling (torso-rocking prayer), the swaying zikr and whirling dervish of Islam, the quiverings of the Eastern Orthodox hesychast, the flowing movements of tai chi, the ecstatic shamanic dance, the ntum trance dance of the Bushman, Tibetan Buddhist tummo heat as practiced by Milarepa, and the Indically-derived Andalusian flamenco (Sovatsky, 1998). Kundalini practice is centerfold in Japan's Aum Shinrikyo group and Kundalini-yoga is also one of the stages the practitioner is able to achieve.” -Crystalinks, “Kundalini” (www.crystalinks.com...)
“The ancient yogis and sages who developed Kundalini Yoga had a deep respect for the Creator of this human body. They knew, in their profound devotion and worship, that so perfect a Creator could only have created perfection in design, function and potential. Based on this respect, they sought knowledge of the totality of the human being. They researched the human ability to maintain good health, increase vitality, open consciousness and expand the experience of the excellence of human life. Their research gave them a great understanding of the nervous system, glandular system, organ system, energy system, and brain. They learned how blood, nerves, muscles, organds, and glands all work together. They investigated the seen and the unseen, and the inter-relationships between the physical and the subtle. From this research they developed Kundalini Yoga. Kundalini Yoga is a highly evolved technology based on a through understanding of the ecology of the human body, how the breath affects the thinking, how the angle of a finger affects the pituitary gland. This technology works with the systems of the human body using the body’s own means. Hand position, breath, posture, sound, and motion are employed in various ways to create the optimum balance among all the body’s components … until recent times these techniques had been secret, taught only to a chosen few.” -Harijot Kaur Khalsa, “Kundalini Yoga, Physical Wisdom”
Originally posted by freight tomsen
For those of you with eyes to see, please do notice Hanslune's behavior. Now he has just whipped up this lovely explanation of why Etymology is an unreliable science.
Originally posted by freight tomsenI give you Charles Berlitz, speaker of 32 languages, whose research leads him to belief in Atlantis and one human mother-tongue.
Originally posted by Hanslune
I'm not into Ety but I'll show one example
Posted by: Richard Parker (IP Logged)
Date: April 7, 2008 05:44AM
Greenland Eskimos count in exactly the same way as the natives of New Caledonia, by counting fingers to 'one hand'.
Their word for 5 is tûdlemût. It's the same at Point Barrow, Alaska.
A New Caledonia (Bierebo) word for the same number is also 'hand' - chima.
The Maori word is e rima (also hand).
The Australian aborigine (Wik-Mungan, Cape York) word is ima (also hand).
The Papua New Guinea word (Weliki) is meme bisuk, meaning handful.
In my Filipino town the word for 5 is lima, and the word for full (after a meal) is bisuq.
The very obvious similarity of word sounds shows that Greenland was settled by New Zealanders, by way of Australia, New Guinea, the Philippines, and Alaska.
Everything above the last sentence is fact, and the last sentence is only a proven hypothesis, so it's also declared a fact.
The Akkadian word for 5 was hamish, and the modern Arabic is xamsah, Hebrew xamesh, but I feel that suggesting that New Zealanders went all the way to Mesopotamia before proceeding to Greenland might be ridiculed, so I'll shut up now.
regards
Richard
An example of Ety taken to extremes
As to your other question:
Since most of the physical evidence for ancient civ found so far (there is lots) has, in the eyes of most people, been shown to be false/inconclusive, I see evidence of a likely coverup.
By 'ancient civ', I presume you mean Atlantis? What evidence are you talking about?
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[edit on 10-4-2008 by Jbird]
Originally posted by Hanslune
Howdy all
Jbird words of wisdom should be taken to heart.
Tsk, tsk FT responding to legitimate questions about your work with personal attacks and dodging the questions. Not a very scholarly approach wouldn't you say? We don't need to speculate on why you won't answer questions about your book - that reason is obvious and we excuse you for not acting as a scholar, as you are obviously not one.
So what else can we question you on - that you'll be willing to answer?
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
Originally posted by freight tomsen
. . . I give you Charles Berlitz, speaker of 32 languages, whose research leads him to belief in Atlantis and one human mother-tongue. . . .
Ew.
No thanks, I don't have a shovel with me.
you DO know that Charles Berlitz has been dead for nearly five years, right?
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Originally posted by diablomonic
I dont know who charles berlitz is, so perhaps your criticism is justified, but it sounds like you are saying hes wrong (well full of sheeat might be more exact) because hes dead? wtf? perhaps you should state other criticisms of the bloke other than him being a mere mortal?
Originally posted by Essan
Charles Berlitz was a prolific writer of 'pulp' 'mystery' books in the 60s and 70s - stuff like Atlantis, UFOs and the Bermuda Triangle. His books were infamous for never giving references, missing out pertinent details, and even making 'fact's up. At times he would quote from an author of a similar book to prove veracity - a book whose author had previous quoted from another such author who in turn had quoted from Berlitz ...... He certainly made a lot of his stuff up and was never one to let the truth get in the way of a good story. He also wrote a book predicting the end of the world would occur in 1999
Originally posted by freight tomsen
... the fact is Hanslune and Essan (and many others here on ATS) are cointel-pro disinformation agents and this is what they do. They sit in a windowless room for hours everyday, making multiple screen names, sending misinfo and agreeing with themselves.