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posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 12:39 PM
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The following chapter on Atlantis is taken from my new book, The Atlantean Conspiracy, available with hundreds of color photos for free download at: www.linktoit.com/theatlanteanconspiracy

Our Rockefeller textbooks tell us that nobody in the ancient world had ever crossed the Atlantic before Columbus. But the voyage of the Mayflower only took 60 days. Are we honestly to believe that no one had ever previously taken the 60 day trip in all of human history? The great civilizations of ancient Egypt, Babylon, Sumer, Greece, Rome, and the sea-faring Phoenicians never wondered what was out West past 59 days sailing?

If we accept this improbability, we have to accept many more along with it, because the native American cultures of the “New World” and the Eurasian cultures of the “Old World” were already far too similar to have naturally evolved separately. For instance, compare the Peruvians and Egyptians. The number of complex comparisons between the two peoples far surpasses serendipity. Both cultures believed in an immaterial soul which reincarnates through multiple physical existences. They both worshipped the Sun, Moon, and Stars, and held amazing astronomical knowledge, much of which has just recently been rediscovered. Both peoples built amazing stone pyramids, often containing boulders too heavy for modern cranes to lift, quarried from miles away. Both cultures embalmed/mummified their dead. Peruvian and Egyptian royalty both wrapped children’s heads in the practice of “skull elongation” (like trepanning) to attain higher consciousness. They both divided the year into twelve months. Both peoples had a women’s order of vestal virgins vowed to celibacy, and violating their vows was punished on both continents by their being buried alive. Both cultures offered animal sacrifices and divined the future by examining the animal’s entrails. They both built huge arches and strewed the road with flowers for returning home triumphant warriors/heroes. At the beginning of each agricultural season during a big celebration, the Kings placed their hands to the plough and ploughed the first furrow. Are we to believe such incredibly specific practices developed completely independent of one another?


“When the Spanish missionaries first set foot upon the soil of America, in the fifteenth century, they were amazed to find the Cross was as devoutly worshipped by the red Indians as by themselves.” -Ignatius Donnelly, “Atlantis: The Antediluvian World”


Ancient symbols like the cross and the swastika already existed in the Americas long before the Europeans came. Egyptian symbols like the “Akeru” back to back lion gods hieroglyph are found in Olmec temples from ancient Mexico. We have also found Mayan art and glyphs in Egypt. Modern Mayans and tribal Egyptians both recognize the languages found in their countries as that of their ancestors and both can read much of it. We’ve discovered artwork 2-3000 years old clearly depicting negroes and caucasians in Central America. The establishment remains silent on all these issues.

The similarities between Old World European and American peoples are vast and difficult to accept as mere coincidence. The use of cement, bricks, arches and advanced masonry/architecture is found on both sides of the Atlantic, as well as roads, stone and suspension bridges; Metallurgy, ore mining of copper, tin, bronze, gold, silver, and iron; Sculpture, painting, engraving, agriculture, navigation, large sailing vessels, pottery, glasswork, and music; both Old and New Worlders fashioned the same weapons like bows and arrows, spears, swords, battle-axes, darts and slings; baptism, confession, penance all long existed on both continents.


“If we find on both sides of the Atlantic precisely the same arts, sciences, religious beliefs, habits, customs, and traditions, it is absurd to say that the peoples of the two continents arrived separately, by precisely the same steps, at precisely the same ends. When we consider the resemblance of the civilizations of the Mediterranean nations to one another, no man is silly enough to pretend that Rome, Greece, Egypt, Assyria, Phoenicia, each spontaneously and separately invented the arts, sciences, habits, and opinions in which they agreed; but we proceed to trace out the thread of descent or connection from one to another. Why should a rule of interpretation prevail, as between the two sides of the Atlantic, different from that which holds good as to the two sides of the Mediterranean Sea? If, in the one case, similarity of origin has unquestionably produced similarity of arts, customs, and condition, why, in the other, should not similarity of arts, customs, and condition prove similarity of origin? Is there any instance in the world of two peoples, without knowledge of or intercourse with each other, happening upon the same invention, whether that invention be an arrow-head or a steam-engine? If it required of mankind a lapse of at least six thousand years before it began anew the work of invention, and took up the thread of original thought where Atlantis dropped it, what probability is there of three or four separate nations all advancing at the same speed to precisely the same arts and opinions? The proposition is untenable. If, then, we prove that, on both sides of the Atlantic, civilizations were found substantially identical, we have demonstrated that they must have descended one from the other, or have radiated from some common source.” -Ignatius Donnelly, “Atlantis: The Antediluvian World”


Stubborn Egyptologists/Anthropologists and our Rockefeller textbooks also claim that the ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, and Babylonian cultures all somehow started at the height of their civilization and rapidly devolved as their empires fell. This is standard accepted “fact” but how is it possible that such advanced cultures just magically appeared at the beginning of recorded history?




posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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“The region of Mesopotamia (Sumeria), which seems to have suddenly appeared out of nowhere (according to Academia), had a high knowledge of astronomy, architecture, a pantheon of gods, agriculture, gourmet foods, and courts. It is considered to be the cradle of civilization. Mesopotamia, in the north, encompassed the rivers Tigris and Euphrates, which flowed from the Garden of Eden, in the Genesis stories. The places known as Atlantis, Dilmun, and Lemuria are mentioned in the records of Sumeria. This is an obvious indication that these societies or cities pre-dated the Sumerian era. Therefore, the Mesopotamian civilization did not suddenly appear out of nowhere. It was more likely a relocated ancient ‘Lost Civilization’” -James Arthur, “Mushrooms and Mankind” (37)



“One of the great mysteries that Egyptologists can never explain is this devolution, this retrograde. You look at the old kingdom, the pyramids, the type of hieroglyphs, the type of jewelry, the type of art produced, and then as it goes forward to the middle kingdom it devolves, it’s less advanced - to the new kingdom when they didn’t even build in granite or limestone anymore but in sandstone a much softer stone, easier to work with.” -Egyptologist Stephen Mehler, “Egypt and the Ancients.” Coast 2 Coast interview, August, 2004


Are we honestly to believe that advanced mathematics, medicine, astronomy, architecture, art, writing, and a complex spirituality were already fully developed from the very beginning of human civilization?


“How does a complex civilization spring full-blown into being? Look at a 1905 automobile and compare it to a modern one. There is no mistaking the process of ‘development.’ But in Egypt there are no parallels. Everything is right there at the start.” -John Anthony West, Egyptologist



“The ancient civilization of the land we call Egypt has been pronounced by archaeologists as flawless of its type from the very first. It reveals none of the painful steps from primeval beginnings passing through the Paleolithic, Neolithic, and Bronze Age, to that of Iron. It apparently burst upon the scene into exotic radiance, its perfected civilization accordingly having been described as a miracle. Science cannot admit any such miracle and another explanation must be forthcoming.” -Comyns Beaumont



“What we call ‘Egypt’ lasted longer than the later Hellenic, Roman, Byzantine, Medieval, Renaissance, Enlightenment, Industrial, and modern ages put together and multiplied by three. The manipulators of history, therefore, purposely concentrate our attention on the latter days, in order to prevent us delving back into Egypt's past. They do so, understandably, for they have everything to lose once humankind becomes reintroduced to the archive of knowledge and wisdom that was common to our ancestors.” -Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology”



“Why did the Sumerians spend thousands of man-years of effort to build and maintain hundreds of temples and ziggurats to their gods? The official explanation is that they invented their deities as an imaginative psychological response to a hostile, incomprehensible environment. The Sumerian beliefs are thus dismissed as a classic example of mankind’s need for religion. However, such facile solutions leave unexplained the origin of the Sumerians’ sophisticated scientific knowledge. Inventing gods is one thing, but inventing the technology to measure the movements of the planets and stars is another thing entirely!” Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” 64


The Sumerians already knew of all the planets in the solar system and their relative sizes and distances from one another. They also built massive pyramids and ziggurats just like every other advanced ancient culture. Today there are hundreds of pyramids still standing all over the world from India to Peru. Cultures separated by the Atlantic, who supposedly never discovered each other’s existence, built these giant triangular structures, aligned them to cardinal directions, encoded within them sacred geometry/math, and used them as a sepulture.


“As Keel says in Disneyland of the Gods: We know that pyramid building was once a universal practice throughout the world. Over six thousand years ago unknown peoples were assembling great pyramids in Mexico. Gigantic man-made mounds were constructed in China, Great Britain, North America, and on remote Pacific islands while the Egyptians were still living in mud huts along the Nile. During World War II pilots flying ‘the hump’ reported seeing one or more massive pyramids standing silently in isolated Himalaya valleys. Of the ubiquitousness and similarity of pyramids, David Hatcher Childress states: Mayan pyramids are found from Central America to as far away as the Indonesian island of Java. The pyramid of Sukuh, on the slopes of Mount Lawu near Surakarta in central Java is an amazing temple with stone stelae and a step pyramid that would match any in the jungles of Central America. The pyramid is in fact virtually identical to the pyramids found at the ancient Mayan site at Uaxactun, near Tikal. In speaking of the global civilization, Keel elucidates the weaknesses of the current archaeological paradigm: All these things seem to be interrelated, as if they were once part of some great civilization—a common culture that spread throughout the world and then died …We have a reasonably complete history of the past two thousand years, and a half-baked archaeological reconstruction of the past five thousand years. But there are so many gaps in our knowledge that most the popular archaeological theories really have very little merit. Indeed, we can’t even be sure that the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid … In fact, the Great Pyramid is admittedly much more ancient than the Egyptians of history, as Hotema relates: When the most ancient Egyptians first saw the mysterious Sphinx and the great Pyramid of Gizeh, only their tops projected above the wind-blown sand of the desert. They knew no more about the purpose of these structures, their builders, or when they were built, than we do” -Acharya S., “The Christ Conspiracy” (279)



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 12:43 PM
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The Great Pyramids at Giza, even by today’s standards, are absolute miracles in architecture, masonry/construction, mathematics, and astronomy. The dimensions of the pyramids are extremely accurate and the site was leveled to within a fraction of an inch over the entire base. This is comparable to the accuracy possible with modern construction/surveying methods and laser leveling.


“Beneath the now-removed outer layer, the Pyramid’s construction consists of approximately 2,500,000 dressed stones, mostly yellow limestone, but with harder granite for certain interior features. The total mass of the Great Pyramid is estimated at around 90 million cubic feet, which would weigh between 6-7 million tons. To put this into proper perspective, the highest cathedral nave in Europe would fit three times into its height, and its mass exceeds that of all the cathedrals, churches and chapels built in England since the beginning of Christianity! The Great Pyramid is often cited as the largest building on Earth, with twice the volume and thirty times the mass of New York’s famous Empire State Building. The Pyramid rests on an artificially leveled platform, which is less than 22 inches thick, yet is still almost perfectly level, with errors of less than an inch across its entire area, despite supporting such an enormous weight for thousands of years. The base of the Pyramid is set out perfectly square - no mean feat of engineering in itself.” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” (41)


Up until the last millennium the pyramids were covered completely with smooth polished limestone casing blocks. In other words, the pyramids were not an irregular looking series of steps with a missing capstone like they are now. They were covered with 115,000 10-ton casing sheets of polished limestone fitted so perfectly that a razor’s edge couldn’t get between casings, less than 1/50th of an inch. The Egyptians wrote how it reflected the sun like a mirror on all sides. Today there are still a few polished casings leftover at the base of one side.


“Our first example of twentieth century engineering in the Giza pyramids is the six sided limestone casing blocks, which were polished and precision, carved to fit perfectly with each other and the core stones, with joints measuring less than one fiftieth of an inch. As if this was not incredible enough, all of these stones were found to be joined together with an extremely fine but strong cement, which had been applied evenly on semi-vertical faces across a surface expanse covering 21 acres on the Great pyramid alone! … The second example is the internal passages of the Great Pyramid. These passages have been measured countless times and found to be perfectly straight, with a deviation, in the case of the Descending Passage, of less than one fiftieth of an inch along its masonry part. Over a length of 150 feet that is incredible. If one includes the further 200 feet of passage bored through the solid rock, the error is less than one quarter of an inch. Now this is engineering of the highest precision, comparable with twentieth century technology, but supposedly achieved 4,500 years ago: Our third example is the machining of granite within the pyramids. One of the first archaeologists to carry out a thorough survey of the Pyramid was Petrie, who was particularly struck by the granite coffer in the King’s Chamber. The precision with which the coffer had been carved out of a single block of extremely hard granite struck him as quite remarkable. Petrie estimated that diamond-tipped drills would need to have been applied with a pressure of two tons, in order to hollow out the granite box. It was not a serious suggestion as to the method actually used. but simply his way of expressing the impossibility of creating that artifact using nineteenth century technology. It is still a difficult challenge, even with twentieth century technology. And yet we are supposed to believe that Khufu achieved this at a time when the Egyptians possessed only the most basic copper hand tools.” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins”
(43-4)


Under the pyramids are large tunnels hundreds of meters deep drilled into limestone bedrock with almost perfect 90 degree angles. This kind of drilling technology has only existed (in our current paradigm) for under a century, so how were they drilling, chiseling and lifting all these megalithic structures? In a famous meeting with a panel of Egyptologists, author of “Giza Power Plant” Christopher Dunn brought a slab of granite, a hammer and a copper chisel and asked for a demonstration of how Egyptians were supposed to have chiseled out thousand-ton granite obelisks using simple hand tools. After a few whacks at it, the copper chisel had a deep indent and not a chip of granite was displaced.


“Chris Dunn found that many artifacts bore the same marks as conventional twentieth century machining methods - sawing, lathe and milling practices He was particularly interested, however, in the evidence of a modern processing technique known as trepanning. This process is used to excavate a hollow in a block of hard stone by first drilling, and then breaking out, the remaining “core” Petrie had studied both the hollows and the cores, and been astonished to find spiral grooves on the core which indicated a drill feed rate of 0.100 inch per revolution of the drill. This initially seemed to be impossible. In 1983, Dunn had ascertained that industrial diamond drills could cut granite with a drill rotation speed of 900 revolutions per minute and a feed rate of 0.0002 inch per revolution. What these technicalities actually mean is that the ancient Egyptians were cutting their granite with a feed rate 500 times greater than 1983 technology!” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” (44)



“On the granite core the spiral of the cut sinks 1 inch in the circumference of 6 inches, a rate of ploughing out which is astonishing … These rapid spiral grooves cannot be ascribed to anything but the descent of the drill into the granite under enormous pressure.” -W.M. Flinders Petrie, “The Pyramids and Temples at Gizeh”



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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It’s interesting that King “Atlas” is said to have ruled “Atlantis” - an ancient sunken city in the “Atlantic” Ocean. There is also a Mount Atlas in Morocco and the etymology of Atlas/Atlantic is indeed from Atlantis. Strangely enough, however, as the Atlantean scholar Comyns Beaumont wrote, “The word (Atlantis) possesses no derivation from any known language of the old world either ancient or modern. Yet, among the so-called ‘native races’ of America, it is a living word.” (“The Key to World History,” 19)

The Toltecs, Nahuatlacas, and Aztecs of South America and all the races that settled Mexico traced their ancestors back to a starting point called “Aztlan” or “Atlan,” in the Atlantic. It was a land they described as “too fair and beautiful to be left willingly” which was lost under the sea after a great flood. Aztec temples are called “Teocalli” which interestingly compares with the Greek “theos” (God) and “kalias” (house/dwelling of). Europeans first settling in Delaware and Maryland found a river named by the natives “Potomac,” which is just like the Greek word “Potomos” meaning “river.” The native Basques of Western Europe also claim to be descendants from a continent called “Atlaintika” which sank beneath the waves. The Basque language itself shares no lingual affinities with any other European language but is very similar to native American languages. The natives of Mindanao in the Philippines are the “Atas” who have the same flood myth and claim descent from light-skinned invaders who intermarried with the aboriginals.


“Look at it! An ‘Atlas’ mountain on the shore of Africa; an ‘Atlan’ town on the shore of America; the ‘Atlantes’ living along the north and west coast of Africa; an Aztec people from Aztlan, in Central America; an ocean rolling between the two worlds called the ‘Atlantic;’ a mythological deity called ‘Atlas’ holding the world on his shoulders; and an immemorial tradition of an island of Atlantis. Can all these things be the result of accident?” -Ignatius Donnelly, “Atlantis: The Antediluvian World”


With the Atlantic Ocean and the Atlas Mountains in Morocco we see the theme of water and hills/mountains being equated with Atlas – this is repeated world wide. In Japan, Atago is a hill in the center of Tokyo where gods brought civilization to Japan. Atagi are the Japanese priests protecting wisdom from prehistory. In Tongo, Ata mountain and memorial are devoted to red-haired, fair-skinned gods who came long ago and blessed the natives. Italy, comes from Italia, which comes from Atalya, a word meaning “land of Atlas” Atalya is also the name of an ancient ceremonial mound in Biarritz. Across the Atlantic, the Aztecs also venerated a holy mountain by that name. Atalaia is the name of a small Quechua Indian town and Atalya was a Pre-Incan city found by archaeologists and confirmed by local history. In Guatemala where the Mayan civilization thrived, near Lake Atitlan is a stone tower called Atalaya. The mountains of Indonesian Sumatra are called Atjeh. The Guanche natives on the Canary Islands call mountains “Ataras” and their Atlas figure was named “Ater.” Tenerite (Guanch) natives call themselves Atinach, which means “people of the sky god.” Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus and other classical writers describe the “Atarantes” people who lived on the Atlantic shores of Morocco. “Atcha” is ancient Egyptian for an advanced, but sunken city. Egyptian gods or heroes were Atum, Atfih, At-hothes, and many other “At” names. Atchafalaya means “Long River” to the Choctaw Indians whose flood myth syncs. Atea is the Marquesans ancestral progenitor, like Egypt’s Atum. Atiamuri is the site of huge megalithic ruins in New Zealand, which contains At and Mu. Atiu is an extinct volcano in the Cook Islands. The Pawnee Indian’s, adept at astrology with the usual flood myth had the sky god “Atius.” Nahuatl is the Aztec’s language and almost all their gods names end in “atl.” Their Atlas character is Atlanteotl and Atlantika means “we live by the sea.” The Taureg natives of Morocco’s name for water is also Atl. The Tuaregs claim decent from the “Atlantes” ancient Moroccans written about by Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus and others. Atla was a giantess Norse god. Atlakvith (meaning Punishment of Atla) is the name of their written record of their Atlantean oral history. Atlamal is another of these myths which means “The story of Atla.” Atla is also an Otomi Indian town in Mexico. The Otomi have a ritual dance called the “Acatlaxqui” with 10 dancers to represent the 10 kings of Atlantis from the ancient ancestry. The Aztec sea-god was “Atlahua” and their great flood was “Atemoztli. Today’s Alca on the Gulf of Uraba was called Atlan before the Spanish conquest. Atlan is the name of a Venezuelan village of Paria Indians who say their home country was a prosperous island in the Atlantic inhabited by wealthy seafarers from which they escaped the flood. Autlan was home of the advanced Tarascans of Michoacan who say they were inheritors of a drowned island civilization. Atland is the Northern European name given to Atlantis as shown in the medieval Frisian manuscript, Oera Linda Bok. Atlanersa was the 5th century BC King of Nubia, whose name meant “Royal descendant of Atlan.” Atao was a Minoan god thought to be Atlas. And later in Crete, Atana was the name of a their language/dialect. Aton was the oldest sun deity in Egypt and Atonatiuh was the ancient Aztec sun god. Another name for Egypt’s Sun God was Ra like Rama of the Hindus, Rana of the Toltecs, Rayam of the Yemen, and the Raymi Peruvian Sun festival. (Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” 29-43) Is anyone prepared to accept all this etymology as coincidence? Could there really have been an advanced ancient Atlantean civilization? Could the myth of a sunken island continent be more than a myth?

This is just half a chapter taken from "The Atlantean Conspiracy." To download free, go to www.linktoit.com/theatlanteanconspiracy

I promise this book will blow your mind! Read it and pass the link on to anyone and everyone you like. Thanks, peace.



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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From reading the fringe-literature (Donelly etc.) I am familiar with most of what you are saying here.

My question would be: While researching your book, what new, not yet published information could you dig up?

Im asking because I am considering writing a book on this myself, but I wont do it unless I have loads of never-before-published information.

So...whats the "meat" in your book, basically.



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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There is plenty of information and insights in my book that are completely original. For instance, most of the Alien, Atlantis and Numerology chapters come from my own musings. However, I intended this book to be a compilation, like a conspiracy anthology putting it all together. I feel I have done that very well, but perhaps for more "advanced" conspiracy researchers, much of the material feels old. Soooo, Skyfloating, I'd suggest read the second half of the book and you'll likely find some ideas you've never heard. Also be sure to send me your book when it's done! Peace



posted on Apr, 5 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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The Table of Contents for The Atlantean Conspiracy

Presidential Bloodlines
The New World Order
Big Brother Surveillence Society
FEMA Concentration Camps
The Secret Society Network
The Free Masons
The Illuminati
Committee of 300
Skull and Bones
Bohemain Grove
The Federal Reserve
Round Table
CFR & RIIA
CIA
Bilderberg Group
Trilateral Commission
False Flag Operations
Problem, Reaction, Solution
The Lusitania and WWI
Pearl Harbor and WWII
Operation Northwoods
Gulf of Tonkin and the Vietnam War
Oklahoma City Bombing
9/11
Media Manipulation
Forced Government Indoctrination Camps
The Health Conspiracy
Fluoride
Vaccines
AIDS
Brotherhood Symbology
Illuminati Flame
Pyramid and All-Seeing Eye
The Dollar Bill
Sun and Stars
United States Incorporated
Schools, Courts, Churches and the Cult of Saturn
The Masonic Movie and Music Industries
Occult Numerology
5
12/13
32/33
40
666
7/7/7
9-11 Numerology & Symbology
Calendrical/Time Manipulation
Christopher Columbus and The New World
The Religious Conspiracy
Astrotheology
Santa, Jesus, Mithra and the Magic Mushroom
Atlantis
The Moon Landing Hoax
Aliens & Demons
Order Out of Chaos



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Our Rockefeller textbooks tell us that nobody in the ancient world had ever crossed the Atlantic before Columbus. But the voyage of the Mayflower only took 60 days. Are we honestly to believe that no one had ever previously taken the 60 day trip in all of human history? The great civilizations of ancient Egypt, Babylon, Sumer, Greece, Rome, and the sea-faring Phoenicians never wondered what was out West past 59 days sailing?

I am still reading through the text posted, but I must say that using this as an intro sound a tad silly and incidently, it is a complete lie.

Of course people have taken 60 day trips in ancient times. It took the better part of a YEAR for Pheonicians to round the southern tip of Africa, for example.

The reason they didnt want to venture out in open sea was due to the technology available, not because it took time.

[edit on 6-4-2008 by merka]



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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Your post isn't really worth a reply, but the lie is in your textbooks not in my thread. You say "of course people have taken 60 days trips in ancient times," and say the Phoenicians sailed a year around Africa, BUT, I'm a "liar" for suggesting that ancient man did in fact have the "technology" to make the 60 day Atlantic voyage. I suggest you read "Forbidden Archeology" by Michael Cremo, also read my book instead of blindly condemning it, and you'll see that the "technology" was clearly available to ancient man.



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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Howdy FT

You seem to have covered all the classic conspiracies. One question and one comment.



Our Rockefeller textbooks tell us that nobody in the ancient world had ever crossed the Atlantic before Columbus.


What is a "Rockefeller" textbook? I presume you making this a US-centric comment?

Lets not forget the Norse who did make the journey in stages and colonized the NE of NA for awhile. Not to mention the Polynesians who appear to have gotten to SA and perhaps NA.

Others may have done it but there is no evidence of it.

I would recommend you look at the following book;

McManamon, John M.
Seagoing Ships and Seamanship in the Bronze Age Levant

Regards



[edit on 6/4/08 by Hanslune]



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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Well, regardless of what you believe about textbooks, mainstream scientists do have their reasons for denying cultural diffusion, which is what I believe you are talking about here.
For one thing, while it may not be coicidence that structures in South America look the same as the ones in Egypt, simply looking similar is not enough. The cultures have similarities, true, but they also have several more diffences.
Another thing to consider is that while there is a lot of circumstancial evidence to support the idea of Old World cultures reaching the New world, and the old timers certainly did have the technology, the evidence remains circumastancial. Trtuh is, there are probably a few scientists who at least entertain the idea, but are waiting for more evidence to convince them.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 02:31 AM
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Sorry, exactly what a "Rockefeller textbook" is is explained in my book (the chapter on "Forced Government Indoctrination Camps" otherwise called "schools.")

As for all your very studious anthropolgical and Egyptological explanations for why ancient man wasn't advanced, they're just wrong. Not your fault, you've just been taught that ancient man was stupider than you, so you can't comprehend the fact that you're actually completely retarded in comparison to the ancients.

So, nothing personal but I have a much higher respect for the ancients and their wealth of knowledge still available to be researched. AND if you read my book I guarantee you'll agree and begin to develop a respect for them and an annoyance with people like yourself.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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“Wasn’t it peculiar that at the supposed dawn of human civilization, more than 4500 years ago, the ancient Egyptians had acquired what sounded like industrial-age drills packing a ton or more of punch and capable of slicking through hard stones like hot knives through butter?” -Graham Hancock, “Fingerprints of the Gods”



“In the first and second pyramids at Giza there are granite portcullises in the lower passages which still baffle experts today. Firstly their complex designs suggest a use much more advanced than deterring robbers (the Egyptologist explanation). It would take about 50 men to lift the portcullis slabs into place, yet the narrow corridors they’re positioned into could have only been occupied by a few men at a time.” -W.M. Flinders Petrie, “The Pyramids and Temples at Gizeh,” (36)


The pyramids also encode high mathematics supposedly unknown to the simple ancient Egyptians. To begin with the pyramids are located precisely on the 30th degree latitude and aligned to within 3 arc minutes of true north. These are beyond coincidence so it can be assumed that they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude. The ratio of the great pyramid’s height to its base perimeter is exactly Pi (3.14). The “Kings Chamber” and other rooms are perfect “golden rectangles” expressing the mystical number Phi 1.618. The ratio between successive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence increasingly approach Phi as you go on from 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34… the resulting graph is known as the fractal “golden spiral” and looks like a conch shell. Establishment Egyptologists say these mathematical considerations are all coincidence maintaining that ancient Egyptians didn’t possess these concepts. But the reality is, the ancient Egyptians did possess higher math and they purposely encoded it into their construction.


“Some routine mathematical games were built into the dimensions of the sarcophagus. For example, it had an internal volume of 1166.4 liters and an external volume of exactly twice that, 2332.8 liters. Such a precise coincidence could not have been arrived at accidentally: the walls of the coffer had been cut to machine-age tolerances by craftsmen of enormous skill and experience.” -Graham Hancock, “Fingerprints of the Gods”


In the Kings Chamber the floor diagonal is precisely twice the room’s height. W.M. Flinders Petrie says they managed to place the Kings Chamber perfectly “where the vertical section of the Pyramid was halved, where the area of the horizontal section was half that of the base, where the diagonal from corner to corner was equal to the length of the base, and where the width of the face was equal to half the diagonal of the base.” Do you suppose these mathematics were accidental?

Egyptologists say that the Giza pyramids were built for three pharaohs over the course of a hundred years. There are over 2.5 million stones, so if you built 24 hours a day for 100 years that means fitting one (average 3.5 ton) stone into place every 8.5 minutes. Using current technology, multiple cranes and work crews, we still couldn’t make that kind of time, nor could we match the craftsmanship.

Six million tons of stone, underground tunnels, chambers, corridors, 45/90 degree shafts, pi and phi ratios, golden rectangles and other mathematical inclusions, perfect cardinal alignments, right-angles, astrological considerations and flawless masonry. How did ancient man the whole world over build these huge magnificent pyramids? They stacked stones so heavy, many of which cannot be lifted into place with the technology and machinery available today. They quarried these stones from miles away and fitted them together so seamlessly that you can’t fit a blade between them.

Also in Egypt tens of thousands of diorite bowls have been found with hieroglyphs engraved. Diorite is one of the hardest stones on the planet, harder than iron, yet intricate inscriptions have been made, not through the use of chisels or scraping but some unknown ancient technology. Whatever it was, was capable of etching lines 1/150th of an inch wide, often in sets of parallel lines separated by a mere 1/30th of an inch. The same kind of workmanship has been found in vases, urns, and other pottery unearthed at the Pyramid of Zoser. Graham Hancock says: “There was no technology known to have been available to the Ancient Egyptians capable of achieving such results. Nor, for that matter, would any stone-carver today be able to match them, even if he were working with the best tungsten-carbide tools. The implication, therefore, is that an unknown or secret technology had been put to use in Ancient Egypt.”

The Sphinx, which Egyptologists say is less than 5,000 years old, is actually at least 10,000 years old based on its weathering alone. Geologists confirm that it has been eroded by massive amounts of water which hasn’t been present in the Sahara for about 10,000 years. Egyptologists claim this weathering is just wind/sand erosion, but Geologists like Robert Schoch find that hard to swallow.


“In October 1991, Dr Robert Schoch, a geologist at Boston University, presented detailed evidence that the Sphinx was thousands of years older than the commonly accepted date of 2500 BC.-’ His conclusion was based on the weathering profile of the limestone rock, out of which the Sphinx had been carved. Visitors to the Sphinx today can clearly see the vertical weathering profile in the limestone trench surrounding the Sphinx. This erosion, according to the science of geology, could only be the result of prolonged rainfall, in contrast to the dry weather experienced in Egypt since 2500 BC. Based on the climatic evidence, Schoch estimated that the Sphinx had to be between 9,000 and 12,000 years old, when the climate in Egypt was much wetter.” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” (93-4)



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 02:40 AM
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“In fact, although Egypt is often given the honor of being the originator of much human culture, the Egyptians themselves recorded that they were the inheritors of a great civilization that came from elsewhere. Indeed, the Egyptian culture seemingly appeared out of nowhere at a high level of development, as did the Sumero-Mesopotamian and South American. This fact is explainable if the civilizers were advanced groups coming from elsewhere, from lands that had been destroyed by climatic change, war or other Cataclysm.” -Acharya S., “The Christ Conspiracy” (280)


Tlahchiualtepetl, the “man-made mountain” in Mexico is a ziggurat three times the size of the great pyramid. The base length of the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacán is identical in length to the base of the Great Pyramid at Giza. Where are those odds? Teotihuacán means “the place where men become Gods.” They claim their pyramids and temples were instruments for transforming the soul after death, exactly as the Egyptians did. This theme is all over the ancient world. Ancient Tibetans, the Egyptians and native Americans all had complex systems, multi-stage challenges for recently deceased souls to overcome in the afterlife. Specific stages of the different cultures afterlife journeys even match-up. The Mayans and the Egyptians both believed in stellar rebirth where Kings, Pharaohs, and Heroes die and are reborn as stars.


“Archaeologists all over the world have realized that much of prehistory as written in the existing textbooks, is inadequate, some of it quite simply wrong…It has been suggested…that the changes now at work in prehistory herald the shift to a ‘new paradigm,’…made necessary by the collapse of the first paradigm.” -Colin Renfrew, “Before Civilization”


The Noah flood myth from the bible was attributed to Zisudra and Atrahasis in Sumerian/Mesopotamian culture three thousand years earlier. In Aztec mythology only Coxcoxtli and his wife Xochiquetzal were forewarned of the flood by God and survived by building a huge boat. They wandered for 104 years before landing in “Antlan.” The Mechoacanesecs of Central America say Tezpi built a large boat, loaded it with animals, grains, seeds, and escaped the flood with his wife and children. The Maya say “the great mother and great father” survived and repopulated the world after the flood. The Chickasaw native Americans say only one family and two animals of every kind were saved from the flood. The same basic story is found in almost 600 cultures around the world.


“From almost every culture around the world there emerge more than five hundred strikingly similar legends of a great Flood? These legends all share a common theme - of mankind being swept away with the exception of one man and his family who survived. We in the West generally know the survivor’s name as Noah, but to the Aztecs he was Nene, whilst in the Near East he was Atra-Hasis, Utnapishtim or Ziusudra. As for his means of escape, the Bible describes an ‘ark’ or boat, Mesopotamian records describe a submersible vessel, and the Aztec version refers to a hollowed-out log. According to the Aztec legend, men were saved by turning into fish. Ancient texts from the Near East speak of the Flood as a major catastrophe - not a local or trivial event, but a great time divider.” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” (74)


There are flood myths from the Inuits of Alaska to the Canarians of Ecuador; From the Tupinamba of Brazil and the Araucnaians of Chile to the Pehuenche and Yamana of Tierra del Fuego; From the Sumerians and early Mesopotamians to the Hopi, Iroquois, and Sioux Indians of North America. Thailand, Laos, Australia, Japan, China, Greece, Egypt, India, North, South and Central America. The story is found all the world over, but the claims are quite difficult to swallow. Is the flood just a story, a myth with metaphorical meaning, or a literal account of global flooding?


“Perhaps the greatest myth being purveyed is that myths are just myths.” -Michael Tsarion


In Japan the Yonaguni megalith is undoubtedly man-made yet it has been underwater since at least 8000 BC. It is 8 stories high, 500 feet long with internal and external right angles, steps, rooms, and “the Stage” altar-like area with huge human faces and head-dresses carved into the stone. In the Gulf of Cambay in Northwest India are two multiple mile long/wide underwater cities which taken together are the size of Manhattan. About 2000 human fossilized remains have been found in these cities and have all carbon dated to around 7500 BC. Many underwater ruins have been found off the coast of Cuba 2,200 feet below sea level. There have been over 200 sunken cities found in the Mediterranean alone. The possibility of a literal flood is not to be scoffed at. Perhaps only the more specific elements of the story are metaphorical.


“Plato tells us of an advanced civilization that existed 9000 years before himself when the Atlantic was navigable and traversed by people the world over … One of the most revealing details of Timaeus is its mention of the ‘opposite continent,’ an unmistakable reference to America. Its inclusion proves not only that the ancient Greeks knew what lay on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean 2,000 years before Columbus rediscovered it, but underscores the veracity of Plato’s Atlantis account.” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (269)


Plato wrote about an advanced civilization that flourished in Atlantis around 10,000 BC. He even made the point that some take Atlantis to be a myth but it is absolutely true. He even said when the flood occurred figuring approximately 9600 BC. Atlantean-like legends are on every inhabited continent and always include advanced beings often revered as gods with high technology and developed culture. Nearly 600 cultures around the world speak about a world wide flood caused by angry gods that all but wiped out this advanced civilization.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

As for all your very studious anthropolgical and Egyptological explanations for why ancient man wasn't advanced, they're just wrong. Not your fault, you've just been taught that ancient man was stupider than you, so you can't comprehend the fact that you're actually completely retarded in comparison to the ancients.

So, nothing personal but I have a much higher respect for the ancients and their wealth of knowledge still available to be researched. AND if you read my book I guarantee you'll agree and begin to develop a respect for them and an annoyance with people like yourself.


Well id have a lot more time for what you have to say if you didn't start calling people retarded because they don't agree with your hypothesis.
Btw, that sort of name calling is against the T&C.


Be that as it may, i do in fact believe that there was contact between the old and the new world, i have compiled quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that points to the possibility of Phoenician contact using the Azores as a staging/resupply point to reach South America.
Also, as Hanslume suggested both the Norse and the Polynesians did reach South America and perhaps even other ocean faring islanders, and some suggestion that even the Australian aborigines may have also made the journey.

I would read the rest of your post but as ive already said anyone that has to resort to calling other posters retarded frankly doesn't deserve anymore of my time.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 12:59 PM
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I am highly impressed with your theory, but at the moment that's all it is. I agree with you that the ancients were alot more intelligent and advanced than we give them credit for, but I also agree that you shouldn't attack someone for not believing your theory, this taints the information your trying to get across.

I will be reading your book, when I get time, but so far, it seems like a good read, informative and enlightening.

One major problem I've never been able to get round, Plato states that Atlantis was an ancient culture, destoyed by the sea (great? flood) yet he states that Athens went to war with them???

Or I could be remembering it wrong!!


flagged.

thanks. EMM



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen
Your post isn't really worth a reply, but the lie is in your textbooks not in my thread. You say "of course people have taken 60 days trips in ancient times," and say the Phoenicians sailed a year around Africa, BUT, I'm a "liar" for suggesting that ancient man did in fact have the "technology" to make the 60 day Atlantic voyage. I suggest you read "Forbidden Archeology" by Michael Cremo, also read my book instead of blindly condemning it, and you'll see that the "technology" was clearly available to ancient man.

No, you're not a liar for suggesting that the ancients had the technology to make a 60 day Atlantic trip.

In fact, that suggestion of yours is nowhere to be seen in the part I quoted. You where simply talking about the amount of time it took to sail: that no one ventured more than 59 days at sea (totally ignoring the fact that the Pheonician trading vessels probably where alot slower than an ocean going carrack). And as such, coastal vessels are at a clear disadvantage.

They COULD probably travel across the Atlantic with alot of faith and will. I never said they didnt have the technology. I said that they didnt want to travel the open seas due to technology (ie ship design).

[edit on 7-4-2008 by merka]



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
My question would be: While researching your book, what new, not yet published information could you dig up?


Excellent question. This book just sounds like a smattering of conjecture derived from assorted books on the shelves at the local Border's.

I'd like somebody to discover some rare old texts in a monastery or something detailing St. Brendan's journey. Scrolls from the library of Alexandria hidden in the desert written in Aztec script? Or maybe some DNA research linking the Iroquois with some tribe in Western Africa. Or evidence of an asteroid impact triggering a huge global meltdown at the end of the last Ice Age. New sonar maps of the Azores plateau indicating possible submerged cities? Anything like that?

Something interesting and new, rather than just a rehash of the same old poop. So to speak.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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The base length of the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacán is identical in length to the base of the Great Pyramid at Giza. Where are those odds? Teotihuacán means “the place where men become Gods.”


Not really the baseline of the pyramid of the sun (in its second building the first was much smaller) was 225 x 75 versus the Giza pyramid of 230 by 138/146



Sorry, exactly what a "Rockefeller textbook" is is explained in my book (the chapter on "Forced Government Indoctrination Camps" otherwise called "schools.")


Please explain in your own words, how do you account for these same historical events being reported essentially the same in books outside the US?



As for all your very studious anthropolgical and Egyptological explanations for why ancient man wasn't advanced, they're just wrong. Not your fault, you've just been taught that ancient man was stupider than you, so you can't comprehend the fact that you're actually completely retarded in comparison to the ancients.


Who said they weren't "advanced" (what is your criteria for advanced?) his and hers intelligence was the same as modern man but they lacked certain technologies. No one taught me they were stupid, only fringe writers seem to make that claim. So I'm retarded - excellent! You've gained your first complaint - well done. I would recommend that you "cool your jets" or you won't last very long.



So, nothing personal but I have a much higher respect for the ancients and their wealth of knowledge still available to be researched. AND if you read my book I guarantee you'll agree and begin to develop a respect for them and an annoyance with people like yourself.


I see no reason to read your book as the example you've given out are inerror and yet again a retelling of the same old fringe data. Please give an example of some new evidence that your book covers. Oh by the way its personal when you start insulting people. I've always had a great respect for ancient people, you however seem to like to make stuff up about them. Oh my.



“Archaeologists all over the world have realized that much of prehistory as written in the existing textbooks, is inadequate, some of it quite simply wrong…It has been suggested…that the changes now at work in prehistory herald the shift to a ‘new paradigm,’…made necessary by the collapse of the first paradigm.” -Colin Renfrew, “Before Civilization”


Why don't you post the FULL quote - yours is a bit misleading

Yonaguni megalith?

Are you saying it was built? It seems to be a natural hill that was modified.



“Plato tells us of an advanced civilization that existed 9000 years before himself when the Atlantic was navigable and traversed by people the world over … One of the most revealing details of Timaeus is its mention of the ‘opposite continent,’ an unmistakable reference to America. Its inclusion proves not only that the ancient Greeks knew what lay on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean 2,000 years before Columbus rediscovered it, but underscores the veracity of Plato’s Atlantis account.” -Frank Joseph, “The Atlantis Encyclopedia” (269)


Care to link to the exact passage that the opposite continent is mentioned in T & C?



Plato wrote about an advanced civilization that flourished in Atlantis around 10,000 BC. He even made the point that some take Atlantis to be a myth but it is absolutely true. He even said when the flood occurred figuring approximately 9600 BC. Atlantean-like legends are on every inhabited continent and always include advanced beings often revered as gods with high technology and developed culture.


Plato also wrote about there technology and weaponry, slingers and triremes - not particularly advanced - equal to the Greeks of Plato's day. Please explain why you think he thought they were advanced? Also Plato states that they had an empire covering the Western Med - why no sign of it in the archaeological record?



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
One major problem I've never been able to get round, Plato states that Atlantis was an ancient culture, destoyed by the sea (great? flood) yet he states that Athens went to war with them???


He says that the distant ancestors of Athens fought the Atlanteans and whipped them good just prior to the catastrophe. It seems odd, of course, that the Atlanteans would travel all the way across the Mediterranean to fight with the proto-Greeks when there are plenty of other people they would have to fight and conquer in Britain, northwest Africa, and western Europe before they got that far. And no record of the Atlanteans have yet been found in those places. Even if the ancient Athenians only fought a stray expeditionary force, that would kind of imply that there were lots of exploratory expeditions done by the government of Atlantis. But there are no records of any others anyplace else.

On the other hand, Plato was writing for a Greek audience, and could have just made up the victory as a way of promoting the home team.

It would be nice to find the remaining bits of the Timaeus fragment. That might offer a bit more description that can be cross-checked. That would be a nice thing to have in the book.





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