Orbs......not dust but proof of another reality?

I was interested in the orb phenomenon and even got a few good pics of them a while back. My intreset wained however, when I decided to give my couch a good smack and take a photo of the dust 'poof' which is when i saw lots of 'orbs' and the issue, in my head at least was settled.

not so, apparently orbs constitute evidence for intellegence, intention and life which is not part of our physical reality which we are only seeing now due to digital photographic technology.

heres the article :

www.newsmonster.co.uk...



I'm gonna do some background work on the mentioned scientists, see what comes up....

[edit on 5-4-2008 by Chonx]

This guy is wrong. They are I.M.P.M.B.F.H.F.A.S.L.G.T.P.S.
Methinks some specialists add a Z, while others still debate about other letters.

Mod Edit: Please view this thread. No more scoffing and ridicule.



[edit on 6-4-2008 by TheBandit795]

reply to post by Rigel


lol, saw that on the original thread earlier on today, made me chuckle!





[edit on 5-4-2008 by Chonx]

I little info on one of the physicists behind this paper:

www.beyondtheordinary.net...

The site says that this guy is interested in finding a way to unite spurituality and physics.

I personally would love to see some varifiable, experimental evidence for 'the spiritual realm's' existence or for a higher frequency, non-physical dimension if you prefer that terminology, but I don't necsesarily think this is it.

After reading this guys site, it seems he may be trying to find the results he wants to back up his personal beliefs, and that never translates to good scientific method.

On the flip side however, he has been invoved in quite a bit of conventional research and this does lend credance to what he's saying...

thoughts anyone?

Boss-Eyed Monsignors!

The Wikipedia article on orbs offers a pretty credible scientific explanation for them: neither dust nor drops on the camera lens but diffraction effects caused by dust particles floating in the air very near the lens. And indeed diffraction effects is just what they look like.

That page also links to one offering the same explanation in more detail.

Now it gets interesting. The page linked to in the OP mentions the names of the two guys pushing the 'orbs-are-spiritual-phenomena' line: Klaus Heinemann, whom you've already checked out (the page you linked to doesn't actually contain any physics, though), and this guy: Miceal Ledwith.

Ledwith is no scientist: he is a former Catholic monsignor (it's an honorific given to priests the Vatican brass decides are a cut or more above the ordinary) who left the Church under a cloud of accusations of child molestation and homosexuality in 2005, having previously made an out-of-court settlement with one of his accusers. He is now on the 'faculty' at Ramtha's School of Enlightenment, an establishment where, for a fee, 'the incredible becomes credible in 4 days of your life'. I bet they have lots of orbs floating around the place.

reply to post by Astyanax


Thanks for the links

Interesting about Ledwith's vatican ties, wonder if there are any implications there? catholic to new age spiritualist just like that.... maybe he's just fickle!

What do you think of the claims that some orbs exhibit intelligence?

I guess a better question would be: Is there anything to these things or not?
Are there a small number of occurances where something paranormal is going on, or do the given, scientific explanations account for all?

I for one haven't quite made up my mind on this one but i'm almost ready to leave the whole subject alone.

thoughts?

reply to post by Chonx


Step 1: Observe orbs with camera.
Step 2: Clean lens. If orbs persist (unlikely), investigate further.

Originally posted by coconut
Step 1: Observe orbs with camera.
Step 2: Clean lens. If orbs persist (unlikely), investigate further.

Sorry, coconut, but that procedure probably won't have any effect. See the explanation in the link I posted above. The dust particles or droplets that cause orbs are suspended in mid-air in front of the camera lens, not adhering to it.

Chonx, you ask whether I suspect there's anything paranormal here.

You may be asking the wrong guy. In my view, the word 'paranormal' is like the word 'unnatural': it applies by definition to something that cannot exist. All the actions and products of intelligence are natural because intelligent beings (whether human or not) are a part of nature. Similarly, if something exists, it is part of nature, an explicable part of the world we inhabit. There can never be such a thing as a 'paranormal' occurrence in this sense.

And what do I think of the claim that orbs exhibit intelligence? I think that the intelligence claimed for the orbs can certainly no greater than the intelligence of those doing the claiming.

[edit on 7-4-2008 by Astyanax]

First off.. I would like to say. Yes there is possibility orbs are just dust. That can be disproved if you photographed an orb in a vacuum though. Wonder if anyone has tried it. Large orbs are interesting, but recently I have been seeing these tiny white sperm like "orbs" that zing around everywhere. You can see them somewhat easily against a blue sky on a sunny day. (The sunnier the brighter they are.) They are not floaters or anything of that nature.. there are hundreds or thousands of them in my field of vision at any given time. They can also be seen inside.. but its harder to notice them though because light is usually dim indoors. My theory is that I am actually seeing these things with my third eye (pineal gland) One main reason I have come to this conclusion is that I can move them as a whole against the background... back and forth.. and I am using something inside my head to do it. I doubt that I am actually moving them.. what it seems like is that I can move my 3rd separate from my 2 eyes. I know that sounds really weird, but I can move my 2 eyes separate of each other (my dad has a genetic disorder that really messed his eyes up, he had to get them taken out of his head and the muscles and nerves cut then reattached so they worked in unison.) So If I can move my 2 eyes separate.. you have to assume that if your third eyes normally moves in unison with my 2 eyes I should be able to turn my 3rd eye separately. I actually just started doing it on accident.. I was just trying to focus on the little spermy things and noticed that all of them moved about 3 inches to the left against the background. Then i figured out what I did to do that and its seriously the same feeling as when I try to move my 2 eyes separate from each other but from the middle of my brain. After I figured out the motion I can do it whenever I want.. with a lot of concentration and a good clear view of the spermy things. I can make them sway back and forth by looking back and forth with my 3rd eye and keeping my 2 eyes stationary.
Has anyone else seen these little guys? From the small amount of info on the web .. (people who see them also) they are being referred to as Prana or Orgone or even bions... There are a few discussions on here about what I am seeing. And also form other sites.. Here is a video of a guy describing them. current.com...

Peace

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Chonx, there is a another thread, wherein you'll find some testimonies that will show quite clearly that, whatever "orbs" are, they are not dust.

(Maybe in photography - maybe not - but certainly not those that are seen by the naked eye.)

reply to post by Vanitas


We're mixing up different phenomena here. If we group together everything "round and glowey" into "orbs", then some are definitely particles suspended in the air reflecting flash into cheap cameras, and others are something else. That doesn't mean to say they're supernatural or intelligent, they're just something else. Ball lightning springs to mind.

It seems to me people latch on to something they can't explain, and instead of doing the rational thing an investigating it logically (which is difficult, takes time, and might not yield results), they jump straight to the "ZOMG! ghosts/spirits/demons/elvis!" explanation.

If everyone was rational, this board would be about 1% its current size, and have a lot less arguing.

Danman, I've come across what your talking about before and it has a name:

blue field entoptic phenomena, check it out.

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm not sure I agree about the explainations given however as the phenomenon itself seems to defy them at times. (from my own experience)

Dave, your right. of course lumping all 'orby-lighty-things' into one catagory, ie. orbs can't be a good idea. I think there is generally a lot of confusion on this point. This thread was originally intended to focus on this article, the 'orbs' that appear in digital photography and discussion on whether or not they have any meaning past dust, pollen and digital artifacts caused by the flashes on cameras.

Astyanax, when I used the word paranormal, I mearly intended it as a way to convey the general gist of what I meant. Your entirely correct, in my opinion, and I agree totally. I hope you understand my use of the word paranormal in this sense was to avoid confusion. guess that didn't work!

thanks for the input guys.

[edit on 10-4-2008 by Chonx]

reply to post by Vanitas


thanks for the link, interesting stuff.......

reply to post by dave420


No, not really. It's precisely to avoid mixing up different phenomena (regardless of what they are) that I keep appending the caveat: "in photography they may very well be dust". Those that are to be seen with the naked eye are definitely not dust.
(I don't know what they are, but dust they ain't. )

Chonx... Actually.. Its not the same thing. Ive seen this before. "Scheerer's phenomenon is distinguished by the appearance of multiple, identical-looking bright dots that follow each other rapidly along the same path." These "bright dots" that I and many people see do not follow the same path. They are all separate of each other. And the fact that I can consciously move them with my mind suggests other wise. Unless I can move the capillaries back and forth separate from my eyeball as a whole. Which is possible, but not probable. And yes I understand that these are separate phenomenas but if you think about it.. they are similar. Like I said.. large orbs are a little different.. I think they represent a whole "entity" but the small things I am seeing represent just pure energy.. I gotta crash... its late here. But I just thought I should clarify..

Peace, Love and Understanding

Originally posted by danman23
First off.. I would like to say. Yes there is possibility orbs are just dust. That can be disproved if you photographed a........................

Peace

Sorry from bringing up an older post such as this one, but I feel un-threatened from the dust spots tonight....and I want to squish them.