Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
My truth is easier. We are here. There was no Jehovah. You are a product of the system, and believe in that which you were raised around. To Hindus,
Buddhists, Muslims, and all other religions, they would state THEIR religion is truth. Which makes them all, opinions. They each borrow stories, twist
them to fit their own agenda, and then release them back into the maddening sea of thoughts. We shop as if in a spiritual cafeteria, and pick which
ones we like, and which ones we don't. We then proceed to stand on the lunch tables and shout, "PICK THIS ONE! IT'S THE BEST AND EASIEST TO
SWALLOW!!" Does that define truth? Please... enlighten me, my friend.
i just wanted to mention something i noticed.
you logic here points to the assumption that everyone is wrong. if you are searching for truth, assuming is the worst thing to do.
i actually agree with hifiguy alittle here, whether or not there is a god or not, there is an absolute truth and that absolute truth exists whether or
not you agree with it.
ill show you the way i concluded that jehovah exists just so you can see where im coming from.
1 - absolute truth exists because we can trust certain constants. unless something acts on the sun (alien weapon, or some unknown celestrial event) we
know it will rise tommarrow. we can base our lives on it. we know that we wont fall off the planet because of the gravity. we know if you plant a seed
and water it, it will grow and feed us. all this is despite the seeming chaos of quantum mechanics. the universe is order not chaos. so there is law
guiding it. this law is absolute truth (not god, just a system)
an example of absolute truth, we exist. we know this to be fact, we can trust that fact.
2 - we exist, so how do we exist. this question is boiled down to the very fundemental question of how the universe came to be. absolute truth is that
something cannot come from nothing. so NEVER was there "nothing". either the universe always existed and we are in a state of constant change, or
god created the universe and he/she/it always existed. either way, we have to wrap our brains around the fact something was ALWAYS there. otherwise
there would be nothing and will always be nothing.
3 - does a god exist. the evidence that so many people claim is lacking i believe lays in life. a rock floating in space interacts with its enviroment
but in a pure action reaction way. a simple single cell organism (the simplest form of life we know) is infinately more complex than a rock. not only
does it interact with its environment in a unique way but it also has a state of living and nonliving. a rock is always a rock, but if a cell "dies"
it becomes like a rock. life also has reproduction. according to ahiests, when life was formed, it was imediately aware (on some level) that it was
going to die, the immediate solution was to procreate or split. this solution had to be immediate because if it wasn't then the cell would die and
nature would have to wait eons for another "accident".
thats a huge fricken leap! matter comes to life that is aware of death and learns to procreate in one generation. why did it have to learn
procreation? because matter doesnt procreate. a rock cares less if you smash it to bits an so doesnt have the need or will to procreate.
even if you reason god is an alien, who created the alien? thier most primitive form would have had to face the same issues.
4 - so if logic points more to there being a god, does he want to be worshiped? this is the crossroads for me logically speaking. because if the
answer is no, then it doesnt matter what we do. end of the line for this strain of logic.
so lets say there is a possibility of yes, god wants us to worship him.
5 - if god wants to be worshiped he would tell us. oral history is just that, oral. its hard to validify and can be changed easy. god must have known
that. so what books show evidence of the divine?
long story short, i arrived at the bible (that is a whole other post)
3 things stood out to me, 1 was evidence of a great flood can be seen throughout the world. 2 the bible mentioned assyria long before anyone knew that
the nation once existed (in fact assyria was used alot to say that the bible was inaccurate). 3 prophecy. especially pertaining to the fall of
babylon. ive heard a few people say that pyhcics could have written the bible prophecies, but thier predictions are usually very vague and can or have
to be interrpreted. the bible mentioned the man who would conquer babylon by name and even said how he would do it. that was a VERY specific example.
thats the abbreiviated version of how i arrived to where i am now. the accurancy of the bible on many things forced me to conclude that god is trying
to tell us something.
keep in mind, the bible made no sense to me at the time. a big hang up for me was why god permitted me to suffer the way that i have. especially if
the bible says god is love.
im adding to hifi's statement when i say
the problem with absolute truth, is sometime you dont want to believe it. you want so bad to believe something else, but in the end truth is truth,
whether you choose to see the evidence or not.