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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
So you want to start a state full of people that don't pay any taxes..?
How long do you think it would last before the sewers are backed up and the streets are piled up with garbage? Education, Police, Fire, Ambulance, Medicare, Social Security, etc, etc..
I don't like paying taxes anymore than the next guy, but hey nobody's going to provide you with services for free.
Who needs any of that stuff? Those things become necessary only when a population reaches a certain level of density like in cities or large towns. When your nearest neighbor is 15 miles away none of these things matter.
You may like the services but not the taxes I hate the services and despise the taxes. But thanks to a society that thrives on dependence there is no place for people like me. Even if completely self-reliant sooner or later somebody is going to come for property taxes. Then my choices are be shot to death or go to prison.
I don't need a public sewer connection, I don;t want police or fire "protection" I don't want "social security" or "medicare." I want to be left completely alone and be allowed to live and die without any outside interference.
I've said it a million times. I don;t want any of these damn "services." I want the government out of my pocket and out of my life.
TextThen by all means, for the sake of those of us who actually enjoy civilization, find yourself a cave to hide in or a ranch or cabin somewhere taxes aren't an issue and get the F out. I'm sick and tired of anti-gov, anti-tax, anti-civilization whackos. If you don't like living in a civilized society, fine, go somewhere else like South America. Live in the Amazon for all I care. Believe me, I'll leave you alone, because I want NOTHING to do with you. I happen to like the things society offers me. Opera. Art. History. Education. Knowledge. Architecture. Entertainment. Protection. You may think it's "weak", and hate all these things. But, without these things, we're just ignorant, hairless apes. Society separates us from animals living on instinct. What you want is primitive anarchy. Fine. Go find it, and enjoy it. And while you're at it, when you get sick, or shoot yourself in the foot, don't come crawling back to civilization like a wounded dog looking for care. You gave up on us. We gave up on you too.
Originally posted by 19DCW71
Some pretty harsh words from such a civilized man who enjoys society.To be honest it sounds like you have absolutely no control of your erational emotions in which case at that moment of time you yourself were just a primitive hairless ape.
No disresppect but I totally hate society as a whole too.
Doesn't mean I'm not civil,
just enjoy nature and independence yet it's virtually almost impossible to attain because civilized people such as yourself would like to force your will down our throats and take everything.
I can see how art and opera wold really contribute to our civility (not). I still don't see a very civil culture you speak of.The spread of knowledge and education has taught mankind little in the art of self controll and even LESS in living with one another.
You believe the independence this country was founded on, yet all you are is a slave to the lusts of societies lies.Brainwashed by meaningless matters which tantalize the tastebuds of fantasy and deception. Totally dependent in my eyes.
Technically all that matters is food, water and shelter.
There's also no reason we wouldn't also be run civilized.
Problem is the civilized world as you speak of way overpopulated and our country is way out of line with worrying about billions in space and everyother country. Instead of worrying about our domestic problems.Believe what you will but what yuo think is life is nothing more than you hanging on to a peice of toilet paper spinning down the vortex of the american toilet bowl headed for a cesspool of sh$t.
I believe it would be you searching for us in times of trouble as the cities infrastructures crumble and there's no electricity and water,I'l be living off grid still having the necessaties of life.
Enjoy civility my friend.Wish you all the best.
Originally posted by Slickinfinity
I think you are a very rude person especially hurling insults
and nowhere did people say that all taxes were bad its the UNFAIR FEDERAL TAXES. As an American you ARE BEING SCAMMED, plain and simple and if you cant see it then I feel sorry for you. No, your federal Taxes are only used to keep the people in a prepetual cycle of debt, its state taxes that pay for things which should be paid but DO AWAY WITH THE IRS AND FEDERAL TAXES.
I for one am staying right here in society and aint goin anywhere, but I will not be silent on the horrible scams and suffering that seem to be your governments objective atm.
Nighthawk seriously you actually think federal income tax is fair? Can you please explain to me why it is?
Originally posted by Maxmars
Do some people seriously still believe in the fantasy that taxes are used by the government to 'provide' services and to 'function'?
I thought thinking like that went out with the notion of 'a car in the garage and two chickens in every pot.'
Those things you attribute to the federal government are provided by the STATE TAXES. The federal government uses federal taxes to pay off debt to the Federal Reserve for the loans they take to 'buy' stuff from businesses. Stuff like weapons, foreign aid, corporate 'research', and other such 'expenditures' that end up in the pockets of mega-corporations parading as the 'global community'. Why do you think that our 'governmental' regulatory agencies are all populated by big business moguls? You think they do it out of a sense of 'duty' or 'honor'?
Really. Where have you been, Mayberry? The Federal government returns practically NOTHING to the people. We can't even get them to spend money on emergency relief for our own devastated or impoverished communities. The states usually have to resort to sue the federal government to live up to it's constitutionally mandated obligations.
Please read a book. It will be good for you.
Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
If you think were all insane cause we would like to live quiet lives without your hummer billowing smoke into "our" lungs.
Or having to deal with 45 people to get something to eat.
You must love being a slave. Your probably the type who lives for his job . (Snip) .
I for one cant stand working to make another person rich .
When i could easily grow my own food build my own windmill. And take care of MY OWN family.
We don't get that option . You sit here an act like we could just pack up and move somewhere . HOW ?
You buy the ticked and i'll gladly leave your friggin country. Put me on a plane to where i could live in peace and not have to deal with whackjobs like yourself and you can have everything i own .
I would bet 1 billion $$$ that if a state became a "safehaven" for people that just wanted to live free without all the crap . In small little "tribes" It would be overran in hours.
Your the crazy one . Just cause that slave collar you wear is made of gold and has a few diamonds in it don't mean its not used for controlling your every move.
Originally posted by The Nighthawk
I read all the time. If you don't like how your government is doing, join your party and FIX IT.
Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
If you don't like peoples opinions on this board , Why not find a different internet to use?
Or better yet move to china . They you wont ever have to read anything bad about your country .
Originally posted by Maxmars
Which party would that be? All the one's I know of are devoted to becoming the government, not fixing it.
With the exception of their ability to oppress me, and redefine my rights at their whim, this government has gone out of its way to qualify as 'not mine.'
The one I served and fought for seems to be in hiding. Wherever the hell it went, it left without leaving a forwarding address - or I would already be there.