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posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 08:27 AM
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An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.



We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us. We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.


We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.


We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite. We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening. We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.



They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn. The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.
The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.



The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.



They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.
When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help. We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things. When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.



When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine. We will render them docile and weak before us by our power. They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.



We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they may never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all. Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.



We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides. We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan. They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil,s
Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.



We will make them kill each other when it suits us.
We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.s
We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how. We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves. We will foment animosity between them through our factions. When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.



We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.
We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.
The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other.s They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit. We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.
We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.
We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished.
We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds.




We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.
The tools will be provided by their labour.
We will make them hate themselves and their neighbours.
We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know! They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal.



Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.
We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them. We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.




We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt. When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media. We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favour.
When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.
They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.




We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.
The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth. They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us. For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars. They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.




The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late. Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.
When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them. This reality will be their prison. They will live in self-delusion.
When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.
Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.


But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action. They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter.



This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans.
This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came.


This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER, EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself.




posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by LeenBekkemaa

Look at the 4th chapter of the Book of Enoch

1They consider and behold every tree, how it appears to wither, and every leaf to fall off, except of fourteen trees, which are not deciduous; which wait from the old, to the appearance of the new leaf, for two or three winters.


Are you going to look closer to the Book of Enoch you see that the trees arent a symbolic explanation but that they are names for all kind of divisions and stuff God has.


Would you say Eve was such a tree, being the mother of the humans? Could it be that the male tree was the wisdom tree, with the serpent representing the phallos, while the tree representing Eve, her name means Life, was the tree of Life, which infact Adam ate from. And if you look at it with a clever mind, since Eve ate from her own hand, she also in a way ate from the tree of Life.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 29-2-2004 by Hamilton]



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 09:04 AM
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hey project_pisces where did you get all that from?



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 09:19 AM
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Would you say Eve was such a tree, being the mother of the humans? Could it be that the male tree was the wisdom tree, with the serpent representing the phallos, while the tree representing Eve, her name means Life, was the tree of Life, which infact Adam ate from. And if you look at it with a clever mind, since Eve ate from her own hand, she also in a way ate from the tree of Life.

Blessings,
Mikromarius


Could be. But I think those trees have more to do with the departments of the angels like they are written in the sixth book of Moses. The angels also went to labour at the trees...



10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

And the seventh mountain was in the midst of them. In length they all resembled the seat of a throne, and odoriferous trees surrounded them.

3Among these there was a tree of an unceasing smell; nor of those which were in Eden was there one of all the fragrant trees which smelt like this. Its leaf, its flower, and its bark never withered, and its fruit was beautiful.

11And I blessed the Lord of glory, the everlasting King, because He has prepared this tree for the saints, formed it, and declared that He would give it to them. Enoch is very happy menkind will get the tree...

1Then I beheld another mountain containing trees, from which water flowed like Neketro

5Then holy Raphael, an angel who was with me, answered and said, This is the tree of knowledge, of which your ancient father and your aged mother ate, who were before you; and who, obtaining knowledge, their eyes being opened, and knowing themselves to be naked, were expelled from the garden.

Look and now we get also a totally different story concerning Adam and Eve, because they knew they were naked (and with that they mean that they don't have any knowledge when comparing it to God).

2Now then shall the angels labour at the trees

6Hills were sinking upon hills, lofty trees were gliding off from their trunks, and were in the act of being projected, and of sinking into the abyss.



So this are some reasons why I believe it are departments and stuff which God owns instead of it being real trees or Eve being the tree.

Next to this you can also see why they were expelled from the Garden... not directly because they knew about evil now... but because they knew their knowledge was zero in comparison to God... that's something totally different !



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 09:23 AM
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just beleeve in all religions that everything they beleeve in exists including the big bang and jesus creating life in 7 days and stuff....

i beleeve in everything i just dont know why



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster000
just beleeve in all religions that everything they beleeve in exists including the big bang and jesus creating life in 7 days and stuff....

i beleeve in everything i just dont know why


Yeah you were also the person with Ezekiel describing a big high tech frisbee



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by LeenBekkemaa

Originally posted by CookieMonster000
just beleeve in all religions that everything they beleeve in exists including the big bang and jesus creating life in 7 days and stuff....

i beleeve in everything i just dont know why


Yeah you were also the person with Ezekiel describing a big high tech frisbee


it could happen you know.....



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 10:10 AM
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A couple of observations here:

1. I read somewhere that the serpents throughtout history were really reptilians, but reptilians were not allowed to be spoekn of or pictured.
Using that idea, the snake throughout hisotry makes somewhate more sense.

2. If Adam and Ever were really, truly, absolutely the first two humans, and they had children, then these children and their parents would have to have intercourse with each other to procreate the world.
Isn't this incest? So, either religion condones icest, or Adam and Eve are purely sumbolic!



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 10:27 AM
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ive heard that your babies would have defects if you made a baby with a close family member.....



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 10:38 AM
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Cookiemonster, that has NOTHING to do with the discussion. You seem to post everywhere I look and say little or nothing worthwhile or productive, let alone thought provoking!!!!!!!!!!

What's the point???????????


[Edited on 29-2-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
2. If Adam and Ever were really, truly, absolutely the first two humans, and they had children, then these children and their parents would have to have intercourse with each other to procreate the world.
Isn't this incest? So, either religion condones icest, or Adam and Eve are purely sumbolic!


Not necessarely... I have the feeling the Bible is missing some parts actually concerning this. the Dogontribe in Africa said the God first made the blackjackall which was evil. Then the Nummo made the first 2 persons on earth.

The Nommo foresaw that the original rule of twin births was soon to disappear (because Amma did it on his own now) and that errors might result comparable to those of Jackal, whose birth was single and whose solitary state caused him to act as he did. The first man (which the Nommo created to let not let Amma make another being like Jackal) had intercourse with the first woman, who later bore the first two children of a series of eight. These eight were the Dogon ancestors.

So Amma (the real God) made a bad person (jackall) so the Nummo (servants of God more or less) made a man on there own, which took intercourse with a female of menkind. And there were made 8 children, only they made 2.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Hamilton
Well we got wisdom after all now didn't we? With that wisdom we are able to procreate without actually doing it if you see what I mean. Why should we interpret the Law in a way that makes the real perpetraitors go free? What if that is the right interpretation? All those laws of that kind could be replaced by a law prohibiting sex with anyone but your wife or husbond. Yes and still God didn't say that while it could be, so why didn't he? The reason these sins are as thoroughly disgussed in the Law, has to do with their neighbours, and the Ba'al worshippers who said the great God was a golden calf based on astrology and myth and commited many sick and directly repulsive rituals to honor their gods. Among all these gods a trained eye can even spot the One God and see how he is disgusted with all the sins which are done in his presence. Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Sebojjim. These places God destroyed. There they practised ritual raping of people of all ages and genders and even made them mix with animals and idols. This was what God came to hate, not the gays. still, this isn't what God says They were raped just as much as the hetros. The laws in Leviticus 18 is basically a set of anti Ba'al laws to avoid the sic practise they had back in Sodom and Gomorrah. That is an assumption

Blessings,
Mikromarius


[Saying added to the original collection at a later date:] 114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

Gospel of Thomas

A direct connection to what is teached in the Koran. What if God really meant it that way? What if it isn't just the interpretation which God wants us to follow but really what it says...



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Cookiemonster, that has NOTHING to do with the discussion. You seem to post everywhere I look and say little or nothing worthwhile or productive, let alone thought provoking!!!!!!!!!!

What's the point???????????


[Edited on 29-2-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]


the point is if they reproduce with theyre parents the children would have defects you moron like adam and eve and theyre children god your a fukin moron



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by LeenBekkemaa
Could be. But I think those trees have more to do with the departments of the angels like they are written in the sixth book of Moses. The angels also went to labour at the trees... [/quote

To me that is obvious. By eating the food of the wisdom tree, I think Eve on behalf of humankind chose male dominans. Her weakness for the masculine became like a curse for her.



10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.


The cutting of roots here, is the knowledge of abortion it seems. The watchers taught the humans abortion and birth control.

Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
A couple of observations here:

1. I read somewhere that the serpents throughtout history were really reptilians, but reptilians were not allowed to be spoekn of or pictured.
Using that idea, the snake throughout hisotry makes somewhate more sense.

2. If Adam and Ever were really, truly, absolutely the first two humans, and they had children, then these children and their parents would have to have intercourse with each other to procreate the world.
Isn't this incest? So, either religion condones icest, or Adam and Eve are purely sumbolic!


You forget the possibility, or rather the fact that in the beginning Adam was both man and female. The humans were both male and female. And there were many of them. Until suddenly Adam figured he wanted a human for himself. His own kind, like he was God's human, he wanted someone he could call his human. And Eve was the result.

Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 12:05 PM
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Adam means Man or Humankind or Human, while Eve means Life. Rib can simply mean cell. A small chamber or cell in a temple structure is called Tsela`, the same word for rib and also beam and board or side. And God took the cell from the manwoman, the first Adam, and he sewed up his shameful wound. Maybe what we see in Genesis 2 the first examples of gene manipulation and gendermodification operation. It looks as if Adam first had both male and female genitalia. The text clearly says that God sewed up or filled up the shameful wound with flesh there below. There is some change to the whole Adam thing here. When Eve arrives the first Adam has been changed. He can no longer procreate on his own. Eve is now somehow in charge of that.

Blessings,
Mikromarius


ME

posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Hamilton
Adam means Man or Humankind or Human, while Eve means Life. Rib can simply mean cell. A small chamber or cell in a temple structure is called Tsela`, the same word for rib and also beam and board or side. And God took the cell from the manwoman, the first Adam, and he sewed up his shameful wound. Maybe what we see in Genesis 2 the first examples of gene manipulation and gendermodification operation. It looks as if Adam first had both male and female genitalia. The text clearly says that God sewed up or filled up the shameful wound with flesh there below. There is some change to the whole Adam thing here. When Eve arrives the first Adam has been changed. He can no longer procreate on his own. Eve is now somehow in charge of that.

Blessings,
Mikromarius


Adam means man or humankind, YES!

But look back in GEN 1. The Earth brought forth/evolved(via creation) ALL life, and man/adam/humankind were created both male and female, or rather the Earth brought forth two sexes of 'man'.

I agree there was gene manipulation and you are correct that rib actulally means cell.

Anyways, reading thru Gen. it seems the Earth brought forth and evolved until the LORD God, not God, intervened and took man, and cloned man into an advanced species of man.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 06:07 PM
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The way I see it, it was the other way around. Man was way more advanced before the fall. Man was able to procreate on his own, and really didn't need anyone or anything. Until his heart couldn't stop longing, and there were noone around able to quench the fire. So God sewed him up, took some cells and tissue from his body and shaped Eve. Instead of carrying everything himself, he now had a helper. But that was of course only the start.

Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by project_pisces


An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.



We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us. We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.


We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.


We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite. We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening. We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.



They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn. The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.
The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.



The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.



They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.
When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help. We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things. When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.



When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine. We will render them docile and weak before us by our power. They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.



We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they may never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all. Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.



We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides. We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan. They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil,s
Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.



We will make them kill each other when it suits us.
We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.s
We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how. We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves. We will foment animosity between them through our factions. When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.



We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.
We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.
The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other.s They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit. We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.
We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.
We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished.
We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds.




We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.
The tools will be provided by their labour.
We will make them hate themselves and their neighbours.
We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know! They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal.



Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.
We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them. We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.




We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt. When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media. We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favour.
When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.
They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.




We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.
The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth. They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us. For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars. They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.




The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late. Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.
When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them. This reality will be their prison. They will live in self-delusion.
When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.
Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.


But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action. They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter.



This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans.
This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came.


This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER, EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself.


Man, you are one sick, analytical individual


Blessings,
Mikromarius



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