Confidential document said to warn of conflict or revolution for America

You can rest easy on this one. I have personally witnessed an instant cool out by one of the most motivated and skilled operators I have ever known. By definition, A leader of \"Strong Men Armed.\" I remember the moment it happened and will never forget the look in his eyes. With live rounds in the KH he never missed and in the PBH he was always the last one standing. He loved his job until the day he had to pull that trigger for real, up close. He now values the Human Life more than any man I know.

The thing about these guys that you are talking about is they are all in it for themselves while they are in training. They all want to be the best, to win the ironman, to be personally recruited by OL\' Frenchie himself and to have the fastest run time, out of the pool first and the last one to drop on the RuckRun. Yes, if you can remember we were all like that at one time.

But, this new breed, these mideast jobs are changing them as soon as they get in country and figure out what is going on. It takes about a week for the majority depending on what unit they go to and how well they are trained. Their first time in a FF it gets real and then that big ? mark pops up when Johnny gets hit. Why are we here again? Why did I lose my leg?

They are on our side and nothing will change that. They will be the first to step up if things get heated. I would like to see a bunch of these guys that have their final discharge do a few live interviews on CNN! UNCUT versions.

The CC needs to start being distributed. I like this Idea. That is Change!

Although I have lived my life on the Extreme side of things having fun and loving life, I know its not free. I served. I believed at one time in my Gov\'t, and I have met several of the Big Brass and 2 CIC\'s including Daddy himself when he had the 2nd. seat. If you look closely with an extremely open mind Just like JV said in his interview with Larry King the other night, it started with LBJ. A cycle, a pattern and an agenda is clearly visible.

300,000 million Americans live in this country! I would be willing to bet my breath that 300,000 million people want to continue to live free the way they want without being goofed with. I know that I am one of those 300,000 million people.


Rest easy my friends, our troops are on our side. WE THE PEOPLE who are free are the reason that they volunteered to fight for a cause that they believed in. They are with us, WE THE PEOPLE.
We must be concise and extremely thorough distributing this CC. It must go out to everyone who can read, see and hear. If this is going to happen,
WE CAN NOT QUIT UNTIL IT IS DONE!!!!!!!!

EYEOFEAGLE

Originally posted by Maxmars
When I served, and as I got closer to my separation, I noticed something about the \'younger\' airmen/sailors/marines/and soldiers that were taking the place of us \'old-timers\'.

They were strangely more fired up and focused on being \'killing machines\' and \'above the cut.\' They were an O-1s wet dream, in my day - even up to the time I left, we saw these \'recruits\' as kind of scary. Like you could order them to do anything, even to the point of doing the \'wrong\' thing. They obeyed because of their unusually strong ideas about honor and duty to your oath.

I always found it ironic that something like that, on the surface, is considered a \'good thing\' Until the wrong commander comes along; then the results of having that kind of loyalty could lead to tragedy.

I won\'t paint scenarios, I think you all know where this line of reasoning could lead. Can we be so certain that military people can\'t be convinced to act in defense of their country \'from home and from abroad\'? There is no reason to think that peace officers would become part of the oppressive regime, but more and more we see examples of it everyday. Do you really think that American solders can\'t be \'misinformed\'? I\'m not so sure.

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Maxmars]

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I, too, am an old timer ex-navy vet as is my father. My son just finished USN bootcamp. Will Americans fire on Americans? I remember Kent State. I am a patriot to my core, and I ingrained this in my son. He will not. I don't know about others. If it comes to armed revolution, my hope is that he will get home as fast as he can and fight by my side. All I can say is, we better be darn sure we know what we are fighting for. It would be a terrible thing to "remove" the current regime and replace it with one just as bad or worse. Bottom line? I don't know who you guys are, but I am trying to be hopeful....

Originally posted by DisgustedOne
reply to post by Maxmars

 

I, too, am an old timer ex-navy vet as is my father. My son just finished USN bootcamp. Will Americans fire on Americans? I remember Kent State. I am a patriot to my core, and I ingrained this in my son. He will not. I don't know about others. If it comes to armed revolution, my hope is that he will get home as fast as he can and fight by my side. All I can say is, we better be darn sure we know what we are fighting for. It would be a terrible thing to "remove" the current regime and replace it with one just as bad or worse. Bottom line? I don't know who you guys are, but I am trying to be hopeful....

I'm hoping that we might be able to avoid violent conflict altogether. I differ with some patriots here in that I do not expect our political machine to have the dexterity nor the will to strain against the legal and procedural roadblocks in place. I feel encouraged by the will of some to take the existing system to heart and try honestly to use it for it's original intent.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any indication that the system is self-correcting. I know what it is supposed to do, since I have seen so many instances of the system being easily short-circuited I figured I will believe in the system AFTER it gets fixed. I know if it comes to it, we will face the greatest challenge in terms of strategic direction. We got plenty of good tacticians out there. But survival will depend on support mechanisms and logistics which may be out of reach or control. Lacking an intelligence network will reduce all efforts to basic survival.

That's why I think we should try something quite different from physical confrontation. I have some serious ideas about minimizing the effectiveness of an oppressive regime. But frankly, I'd rather you believe I don't know what I'm talking about and am full of crap. Until I know more, I can only speculate.

[edit on 9-4-2008 by Maxmars]

Originally posted by projectvxn
Many things have been corroborated already. This document is stating nothing new. I can tell you one thing, I'm not one of those insurgent US citizens. I happen to think that the revolution should take place only on paper, and with money attached, like true Americans, we cannot destroy what we have been building up for so long. I'm sorry but violence just won't solve this. Because if the economy crumbles, then we'll all be poor people with guns, and if we go and fight a civil war, then we'll be poor, armed, and with no place to call home. I'm sorry, but if this is the price of revolution then count me out.

I can't agree with you more vxn. Real Change has to be handled by those of a civil and community mindset, with natural macroeconomic skills to develop or redevelop on a grand scale. This takes imagination and leadership, supported by an expert administrative staff. Why not let someone good at Sim City Give it a try? They Might Get better results.

This dosn't need to be Utopia, to be way better for the average American. I think we are headed into a distopia, that only seems stable thanks to fear and apathy. How about Courage, Ambition, Vision, fairer wealth distribution, and an upgrade in human services overall.

American Policy Exhibits Pure Stagnancy. Don't fix what's not broken?

Mix it up with more progressive policy, see how it works for all, and if the financial benefit's for all are sustainable... Upgrade it, and upgrade it, until you have a new government paradigm built on the same founding principle's.

Man if they let me do some thinking for them, I could make some headway. lol

But Seriously, You can only wash and rinse the same rhetoric for the last 100 years, and call it a sign of the times... until they catch on... That's when the powers that be should start thinking about what to do to change, instead of pulling out from the same recycled bag of socio-economic policy to stun people into inaction.

How Can I scream no-fair to my governments policies, when my mortgage is in jeapordy, and American Idol is on...

-Matthew B. Graybeal aka ADHD

This article is parialy right.

I belive theier will be a revolution of sorts. It can go 2 ways.

The first way, is the American people band together, and in one step, crush the enemy within. The American people can not sustain a fight against the American Military, any acts against the enemy within, must be done unilatialy, and percisely. One day is all the people would have, less then 24 hours to take back America.

The second way is less thrilling, and more terrorfiying... in this way, people start disapearing, the 'problem citizens' would be taken away. Basicly, everyone from this tread will get to meet each other in some god-forsaken place out in the desert. This second way the people of America lose, and our country dies as a republic, and arises as an Empire...


A Revolution at the voting booth would be the best way, everyone would love a bloodless revolution, but the system is so rigged, it is painful...

Originally posted by Maxmars

Originally posted by DisgustedOne
reply to post by Maxmars

 

I, too, am an old timer ex-navy vet as is my father. My son just finished USN bootcamp. Will Americans fire on Americans? I remember Kent State. I am a patriot to my core, and I ingrained this in my son. He will not. I don't know about others. If it comes to armed revolution, my hope is that he will get home as fast as he can and fight by my side. All I can say is, we better be darn sure we know what we are fighting for. It would be a terrible thing to "remove" the current regime and replace it with one just as bad or worse. Bottom line? I don't know who you guys are, but I am trying to be hopeful....

I'm hoping that we might be able to avoid violent conflict altogether. I differ with some patriots here in that I do not expect our political machine to have the dexterity nor the will to strain against the legal and procedural roadblocks in place. I feel encouraged by the will of some to take the existing system to heart and try honestly to use it for it's original intent.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any indication that the system is self-correcting. I know what it is supposed to do, since I have seen so many instances of the system being easily short-circuited I figured I will believe in the system AFTER it gets fixed. I know if it comes to it, we will face the greatest challenge in terms of strategic direction. We got plenty of good tacticians out there. But survival will depend on support mechanisms and logistics which may be out of reach or control. Lacking an intelligence network will reduce all efforts to basic survival.

That's why I think we should try something quite different from physical confrontation. I have some serious ideas about minimizing the effectiveness of an oppressive regime. But frankly, I'd rather you believe I don't know what I'm talking about and am full of crap. Until I know more, I can only speculate.

[edit on 9-4-2008 by Maxmars]

I think everyone HOPES it will not come to blood. This is a topic that myself and a few fellow patriots discussed 25 years ago, but kids, mortgages, careers, etc. put the discussion on the back burner and we have all gone our separate ways. We knew the system was broken back then. It has only gotten worse. The PTB will never relinquish their stranglehold willingly. In their eyes, the true patriots are the "conspirators". I don't believe they are much concerned right now, because I don't think there are many patriots around. I base this on the experience I have with the people I work with and live around. However, when this whole thing hits bottom, the average Joe may wake up. Yamamoto(sp?) was afraid that bombing Pearl Harbor would awaken a sleeping giant and it did, and it changed the Japanese way of life till now. My hope is that the average Joe will wake up but I am afraid it will require a very LOUD alarm.

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It's not gun control it's people control.Gun control is just a pallatable way of saying people control,just like sales tax is a nice way of saying buyers burden.

www.abovepolitics.com...' Lee Iococca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation has a few heated words for the american citizens and congress. In his statement he ask this excerpt from his book be sent to everyone we come into contact and has called for "Action."

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Now THAT was uplifting!. Thanks for the post!

This really seems relevant with recent events unfolding. Perhaps this deserves a little more credence then previously thought. Mind the fact that this thread was started in April and the document was supposedly penned in March. When did the SHTF in the US Economy? It was September that the snowball started rolling right?

Great post about how soldiers will not fire on American troops, I agree with you, many will not.

But the larger question is; will they fire upon those troops, who DO fire, upon Americans? Because that's what happens in the next half-minute of them resisting a direct order. These patriotic Guardsmen with hearts (my cousin is Nat. Guard, and is such an honorable man), would probably be shot themselves, dead right there.

If we are dealing with Communist/socialistic UN soldiers, then these will surely see rioters as acceptable targets, and surely these will have been instructed to "Shoot anyone else who breaks rank or won't shoot as ordered." ...Surely any soldier who doesn't obey that order, and who hasn't gone awol by then, is a threat, and would be liquidated at the moment of the order to fire, if he did not comply.

In the future I see, a sentry has orders to kill anyone trying to bypass his post --just like in the USSR. This means that AFTER the first initial purge, where the good soldiers are liquidated because they wouldn't enforce the new regime, it will really only take a few soldiers with good line of sight, to enforce checkpoints and so forth. A watchtower can be powerful if used to alert people, but it can also be powerful to rain down death from a covered position.

How would you American snipers handle an armored watchtower with slits for shooting a person from a mile away? You got rocket launchers which can hit such a target? I doubt it. It takes very few people to mantain fortified and raised checkpoints as in prison guard towers, which could easily go up at highway overpasses, supported by a few UN-branded tanks.

So when the purge happens, the good soldiers will die if they don't shoot, then force projection becomes simple because anybody trying to sneak past your checkpoint, is clearly a valid target.


[edit on 8-10-2008 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by projectvxn
Many things have been corroborated already. This document is stating nothing new. I can tell you one thing, I'm not one of those insurgent US citizens. I happen to think that the revolution should take place only on paper, and with money attached, like true Americans, we cannot destroy what we have been building up for so long. I'm sorry but violence just won't solve this. Because if the economy crumbles, then we'll all be poor people with guns, and if we go and fight a civil war, then we'll be poor, armed, and with no place to call home. I'm sorry, but if this is the price of revolution then count me out.

I'll have to backtrack this statement. After everything I have seen in the last few months, I say fight.