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Confidential document said to warn of conflict or revolution for America

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posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 11:41 PM
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reply to post by EYEOFEAGLE
 


I am more than proud that you said that.I would be proud to stand beside any true patroit. I did hear a few months ago that congress was trying to pass a bill takeing away the right for former military personal to own firearms.For fear that PTSD might cause them to go postal on the public.

It sounded to me like TPB don't want the most able to defend themselves.
To have the weapons to do so.

What say you?




posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 12:08 AM
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Good querry, daddy, Star!

Don't know of a bill to ban gun ownership by ex-mil. personnel, but i can
say, the PTB don't seem to want the public to be armed! So many petty
little offenses are being turned "felony" lately; to prohibit gun-ownership;
and to prohibit anyone who sees a shrink, and gets some diagnosis!

What they don't realize, is, interpretation of the second amendment right
to keep and arm bears - ! ? I mean the right to keep and bear arms,
CAN NOT BE INFRINGED.

PERIOD!

That's the way I see it, like everyone else i know sees it...

There's plenty of ways around being "banned" on their computer records!



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 03:49 AM
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reply to post by 1stAZRangers
 


Is there any update on the call for continental congress? This campain has a lot of potential, both positive and negative.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Ahhhhh....No.....I will hide my money in swiss banks before I pay for more social programs.....Socialism is a cancer we must cut from the earth..IMHO


I can assure you that communists and socialists think the same of your texas branded ultra-capitalism. The american welfare system is a complete joke and a disgrace to the average american that can hardly make ends meet. Off course people like you could hardly care less since your too busy ripping off the people and the worlds natural resources.

I hope you find this offensive cause I sure as hell found your reply offensive!!!



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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I have been avoiding participating in this thread for the simple reason that most of those participating have shown themselves to be intelligent enough to 'see' through the fog and clearly understand what the 'real' topic is.

But I can't resist adding something, because I don't know if I'm right or wrong (it probably matters little anyway)

One need not rise to the level of resistance that evokes a violent response (or causes the usurpers to forgo 'law' and deal with you vengefully). One doesn't have to 'tear down the system' or 'call to arms' to defeat these leeches and their 'divinely' mandated status as elite overlords (It's so pathetic I almost always laugh at the notion.)

(here's the part where I'd be most interested in rebuttal or comment)

There is cause for hope: Part of their power base relies heavily on the fact that they 'respect' one another and cooperate to perpetuate control. But, as the world 'shrinks' metaphorically speaking one of them must become subservient to the other. I can't imagine that being a 'pleasant' development for people who live by the code 'I am better than everyone else.'

At some point one of the Elitists is going to have to 'yield' to another, I suspect there will be resentment there. I think these elite, although they are obviously ignorant of the fact that 'equality' is a notion most often used to assert superiority, actually will not be able to cooperate with one another if it means sublimating their own desires to those of another.

They are destined to crash and burn by virtue of their own machiavellian 'scripting'.

Is this really a valid line of reasoning? Even if it is, I'm not sure I would want to wait for the day they fall upon each other like a pack of hungry hyenas.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by FRIGHTENER
reply to post by daddyroo45
 


Good querry, daddy, Star!

Don't know of a bill to ban gun ownership by ex-mil. personnel, but i can
say, the PTB don't seem to want the public to be armed! So many petty
little offenses are being turned "felony" lately; to prohibit gun-ownership;
and to prohibit anyone who sees a shrink, and gets some diagnosis!

What they don't realize, is, interpretation of the second amendment right
to keep and arm bears - ! ? I mean the right to keep and bear arms,
CAN NOT BE INFRINGED.

PERIOD!

That's the way I see it, like everyone else i know sees it...

There's plenty of ways around being "banned" on their computer records!


Some people use guns for self defense and hunting game while others use them to commit crimes. Gun control is not a perfect system!



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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[edit on 7-4-2008 by EarthCitizen07]



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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It's all about changes, huge changes I've known inside that this would happen in my lifetime.
admitedly I live the UK. This will have a huge impact on our culture too. Great Britain and the Commonwealth countries would step up to the plate to help as much as possible as they do whenever a crisis looms over somewhere. Here we are feeling this as much as those in the States, country focusing on rising debt not a month goes by when Houses prices rise again hits the headlines of the newspapers, issues with inflation, i can barely afford the stuff i buy now not to many pennies at the end of the month.

So this is going to happen: Ultimately what are we as individuals going to do about it?
I now have the intention of buying holding space or finding a place for storage and putting provisions by for that "just in case" scenario.

If - sorry when the collapse happens... imposing of Martial Law (it is understandable its the last line of control and social order.)
Will anarchy become the rule? groups, gangs and orders controlling what there is. Safe zones most likely will crop up but would be corrupted by insiders over time.
Maybe there is a time to put in place 1984/Equilibrium like cities and they would most likely literally follow the ways of their representative book and film. either it will be become a complete control 1984 or will eventually fall to the underground movement aka Equilibrium.

Going back to gangs, groups and orders fighting for what there is and when thats all gone, then what?
People become worthless as no-one has any value...the world envisioned in films such as Mad Max and 2019 may well become a reality.

There is the situation that will arise as there is no overall government Gas, electricity, water supply in the way we know them to be now. Warmth, food and protection from exposure will become the main needs of the people. Warmth and exposure protection unfortunately will come from the forests and woodlands as it looks so abundant but its not, which will lead to further other problems we as a race are aware of. When its gone animal, insect and plant life will suffer incredibly on a unimaginable scale. Which again cascades into other problems.

Now i understand why in the last few years the storage vaults of all Seeds, plant life,insect, animal DNA, different race DNA is happening.

[edit on 7-4-2008 by KristianTNA]



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by dk3000
 


Excuse me? Real American? I have a brother in Iraq. I'm not fighting a corporate instilled mecca of violence. Fighting for my country has never been an issue. Nor has it been an issue with my brother. Your comments show your ignorance. I'm sacrificing a brother to corporate interests, why would you expect me to do the same? I don't fight for no reason.

As for the rest. You misunderstand alot about me. I have alot at stake here. I don't want to lose what we have because a few at the top think it's a good idea. I have friends all over the U.S. I don't' want to kill them. I have many friends in the military. I don't want to be the one that squeezes the trigger.

My worst fear would be to have to raise a weapon at my brother. Not worth it. No human lives are worth it. There HAS to be another way. There has to be.



[edit on 4-4-2008 by projectvxn]


There is another way.

It is ludicrous to talk about raising an independant army. We do not need or want a civil war. The powers that be want a civil war here.

I advise against trying to rally for independant armies or civil wars.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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Besides 'they' have already bought and paid for the private armies. (Hint: they are currently running all those peculiar 'detention' camps and underground bunkers - as well as 'protecting' our corporate citizens overseas.) The weird part is, if we should engage them, we would be fighting soldiers that are paid for by our own wealth. Even soldiers pay taxes - ask how much tax the Backwater types pay while serving in Iraq/Afghanistan (zippo).



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 05:04 PM
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Sometimes I sound curt in my responses, but sometimes I hate to waste time with semantics.

First, I see that a lot of people are of the opinion that calling forth a ConCon is, in itself, a violent act, and that we should sit down with each other and talk in a common forum in person before advocating for civil war or calling forth independent armies.

This is ludicrous. A ConCon *IS* that forum where we can sit down together, all of us, Christians, atheists, rich and poor, land-owner and renter, employer and employee on an equal level as *CITIZENS* and discuss our differences and commonalities and build from there. That "independent army" is nothing more than a coordination of state militias, and don't you think for a second that some form of security force would be needed outside a ConCon? It's been 200 years since the last one? Don't you think the powers that be would do anything in their power to prevent *US* from talking to each other and peacefully coming to resolution. Those who have stated that armed revolution would not be the way to go at this juncture, I'm telling you that a ConCon is the only way to PREVENT it. We have to get off the internet, out of our houses and into a congress to discuss what this country SHOULD look like. Not what we're all afraid it will look like. If the vision of an apocolyptic future is distasteful, then work to prevent that future from manifesting in it's worst form. If we DON'T *TALK* to each other, then we WILL end up fighting in the streets.

As far as private armies are concerned, the Brits did that to us with the Hessians, just as the Bushs' are doing it with Blackwater and Greystone. What would you suggest? The ConCon have it's own, citizen army called forth from those who support the Peoples Right to assemble, or do just what the ptb are doing now and *hire* a *private* security *company* to handle the security for us?

Democracy or Corporatocracy?

To EYEOFTHEEAGLE: I'm proud you are standing where you are. I would be proud to serve with you in defense of the Constitution of the united States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic on any battlefield that the need for such a defense might occur.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by JediK
The entire situation is definitely getting scary, yet most people don't even seem to notice. They're too wrapped up in their own lives to even care. It makes me sick.

The power elites in control of everything really know what they're doing. I mean, Americans just keep getting dumber and dumber and dumber. This is crazy...


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Like it or not, this has been a long term plotting by the Alien Government of America and many officials in the Military are either vague or ignorant about this, mainly due to "Conspiracy Theory" label. But this is a reality, and there are over 600 gestapo type prisons already built on secret locations. Exactly how and when, very few people really know, but this is a huge planning over the years to enslave the educated Americans or to silence them from educating the dumber cousins. Corporate Looting of America has reached a level of Breaking Point and their Desperation has also reached a Dangerous Point, it's time for the Clash of Reality.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by 1stAZRangers
Sometimes I sound curt in my responses, but sometimes I hate to waste time with semantics.

First, I see that a lot of people are of the opinion that calling forth a ConCon is, in itself, a violent act, and that we should sit down with each other and talk in a common forum in person before advocating for civil war or calling forth independent armies.

This is ludicrous. A ConCon *IS* that forum where we can sit down together, all of us, Christians, atheists, rich and poor, land-owner and renter, employer and employee on an equal level as *CITIZENS* and discuss our differences and commonalities and build from there. That "independent army" is nothing more than a coordination of state militias, and don't you think for a second that some form of security force would be needed outside a ConCon? It's been 200 years since the last one? Don't you think the powers that be would do anything in their power to prevent *US* from talking to each other and peacefully coming to resolution. Those who have stated that armed revolution would not be the way to go at this juncture, I'm telling you that a ConCon is the only way to PREVENT it. We have to get off the internet, out of our houses and into a congress to discuss what this country SHOULD look like. Not what we're all afraid it will look like. If the vision of an apocolyptic future is distasteful, then work to prevent that future from manifesting in it's worst form. If we DON'T *TALK* to each other, then we WILL end up fighting in the streets.

As far as private armies are concerned, the Brits did that to us with the Hessians, just as the Bushs' are doing it with Blackwater and Greystone. What would you suggest? The ConCon have it's own, citizen army called forth from those who support the Peoples Right to assemble, or do just what the ptb are doing now and *hire* a *private* security *company* to handle the security for us?


I concur that the tool has been created to engage the government in such matters. I agree that such a gathering is not only achievable, but necessary. My only comments are that a recognition must be made from the start - a ConCon is NOT a risk-free proposition. I have come to expect those in the 'halls of power' will not be content to obey the constraints of the law. Since thousands of man-hours and dollars have been devoted top getting legislation to allow for the classification of citizens as Homegrown Terrorists for non-specific actions which they alone have the right to declare 'anti-governmental' you must see the potential for abuse - they already have a perfectly legally enforceable policy to ensure compliance, or at the very least to encourage acquiescence.

So, while I too will surrender myself to the cause of restoring America to herself, I will caution that this is not an endeavor for the patriot who's vision doesn't extend beyond "hell yeah!" If we find ourselves in the beginning stages of the worst case scenario, there will be such resistance from the status quo worshipers as to create the potential for a terrible retaliation. Once again, in a worst case scenario they don't just hurt you, they hurt the people who are in your heart. It's easier to be brave for yourself.

This is not meant as a discouragement, it's meant to evoke resolve, resolve to endure. We must agree that this is not about a reckoning, I wouldn't want American to return home to witness a witch burning. We need to fix the problem, only then can we enter a discourse about how we got here.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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Those of you who think you would be fighting your brother or friend in active duty military, have faith in your brother and your friend.
They may be fighting a foreign conflict but there heart lies here with you and with their counrty, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

The United States military is the mighest and strongest and smartest army the world has ever seen. It belongs to the THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The military is made up of people just like you and me. After 9/11, everyone wanted to serve and felt a calling. Those who did and still do did it for one reason and one reason only. TO PROTECT YOU!!! AND TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!! Those people are the Army, Navy, The AirForce and The Marines. They are the military!

When they get home from the current theatre, their minds take a moment to re-adjust and start living again. For those of you who have never seen combat it is difficult to explain.

When they get home, they become a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT. They believe in this country and it's core values more than ever. They remember every fallen soldier and dream of every soldier that has ever shed blood of gave their life for this country. That is when they know without a doubt that now one will ever take away their freedom or their rights to live free.

Yes, there are a few bad men out there, but their numbers are few.

Yes, there are good men out there, and their numbers are many.

Beleve and have Faith in GOD and your country and live your life knowing that there are men in the shadows of the men in the shadows. And they are watching.

Az. Ranger, I am honored and hope and pray that it never has to come to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Eye of Eagle



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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Sir
I laud your patroitism with every fiber of my being !! I to would be proud to stand with you in defense of these United States and the Constitution on which she is based.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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Some posters say it's time to get together stand up and vote. I for one feel that my vote does not matter. The electoral college is bad enough. And now Bush simply cheated his way into office. He did not win the electoral or the popular and why is there a difference!?(Rhetorical.) That already happaned, peaceful resolution is now impossible.
Some people say the government has too much technology and would slaughter the whole lot of us. I disagree their technololigcal advances are too expensive, these super weapons are too few and too impractical. And the continental united states is too big for carpet bombing. If IF it was people vs the government. It would be an easy fight the government would lose and give up fast. Millitary grunts would not shoot their own people. What we need to worry about is the games and smokescreens they might use. And turn it into a race thing a rich vs poor. I for one feel like the time for legal steps to reform the country or even straight up revolution has passed.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by dk3000
 


Excuse me? Real American? I have a brother in Iraq. I'm not fighting a corporate instilled mecca of violence. Fighting for my country has never been an issue. Nor has it been an issue with my brother. Your comments show your ignorance. I'm sacrificing a brother to corporate interests, why would you expect me to do the same? I don't fight for no reason.

As for the rest. You misunderstand alot about me. I have alot at stake here. I don't want to lose what we have because a few at the top think it's a good idea. I have friends all over the U.S. I don't' want to kill them. I have many friends in the military. I don't want to be the one that squeezes the trigger.

My worst fear would be to have to raise a weapon at my brother. Not worth it. No human lives are worth it. There HAS to be another way. There has to be.



[edit on 4-4-2008 by projectvxn]


How about we steal a few 747 jumbos armed with roach clips, fill them with marijuana, land them in DC, light them on fire, and while they are all stoned and confused we can round them up taze them and read them their rights.


I am not a violent person myself unless provoked, but I just can't see a non-violent ending to this. There is no structure in place and the infinitely dumb majority will panic and stampede like cattle.

I however can't (or don't want to) think that the military could be coerced into firing on Americans. Not with the bitter taste in their mouths from being stuck in the gulf in breach of contract. I have several friends who were and still are in the gulf and they are not happy about it, they are not happy about anything.

As a former serviceman myself, I would never under any circumstance, fire on an american. At that point there is no reason to be an american or to be alive. I would rather fire on the bastard that gave the order.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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I, way down deep inside the seat of me, don't want this to come to armed conflict. I would very much like to never have to see America's parks and cities become tomorrow's battlefield memorials. I too think it may very well have gone beyond the point of no return, however, I'm also willing, in the name of Patriotism and a dedication to peaceful, civil government, to try every last option for civil discourse and solution before arming myself and my neighbors.

I think that the road ahead will require the greatest amount of resolve from this county's fine citizens to make it through the coming months and years. We have an awful big mess to clean up, and will have an awful lot of dejected, broken people to comfort and provide for when all is said and done. Those truly beautiful people out there in America who really want to see effective resolution to our current, most unfortunate circumstance have a hard job ahead of them, and you're right, Max, they will need the greatest amount of resolve. It will take honor, courage, and commitment for us to get our country returned to us, and it won't be in one piece when it gets back to us either. That's why talking it out now is more important than ever. We need a ConCon, no matter how risky it is, or how much the powers that be would like to see this idea die in the water.

There is another website out there, dedicated to a 3rd Continental Cognress...

the.thirdcc.org...

Check it out, and get the word out. Only with the participation of WE, THE PEOPLE, will this seed ever bear fruit.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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Wasn't it John F. Kennedy who said,


"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

?



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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When I served, and as I got closer to my separation, I noticed something about the 'younger' airmen/sailors/marines/and soldiers that were taking the place of us 'old-timers'.

They were strangely more fired up and focused on being 'killing machines' and 'above the cut.' They were an O-1s wet dream, in my day - even up to the time I left, we saw these 'recruits' as kind of scary. Like you could order them to do anything, even to the point of doing the 'wrong' thing. They obeyed because of their unusually strong ideas about honor and duty to your oath.

I always found it ironic that something like that, on the surface, is considered a 'good thing' Until the wrong commander comes along; then the results of having that kind of loyalty could lead to tragedy.

I won't paint scenarios, I think you all know where this line of reasoning could lead. Can we be so certain that military people can't be convinced to act in defense of their country 'from home and from abroad'? There is no reason to think that peace officers would become part of the oppressive regime, but more and more we see examples of it everyday. Do you really think that American solders can't be 'misinformed'? I'm not so sure.

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Maxmars]




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