Originally posted by Jay
But they are tryin to stop their rights to a civil union or marriage. Cause when i had my civil union i had to fill out a marriage license and we were
told your now Married. They should be given the same rights as us straight people, and be left alone. Like i said if this pass we are no better then
we were 100-200 years ago with slavery and women not having any rights. It's not so much stripping rights for a gay person, but stripping rights for
a person who our consitution says is CREATED EQUAL. I have been reading on this board thier is another topic which says in various posts, that being
gay can be cured, bs.
They tired this with numerous people and kids, for being gay, wild children, and various other problems. I'm sorry KrazyJethro that you and some
others aren't comfortable with gays being able to hae the same rights as us, but they are created equal by the constitution of our United States of
Excuse me, but people are missing vital points here. First of all, we are not stopping ANY gay rights. They never had the right to marry in this
nation in the first place. But why should it remain that way? For a very good reason. You all say that the government has no right outlawing gay
marriage, but actually it has NO right to make it legal! Marriage and its sanctity is an institution of the judeo-christian faith. A structure that
God intended for a man and woman in a bond that links the two sexes to become one in body and throughout their lives. The SAME faith that declares
homosexuality as immoral. Now, I'd like someone to tell me why they think they are right in saying that the government should cross the line of
separation of church and state and demand that churches IGNORE there beliefs and marry gay people together if they so request it!
Now before anyone gets in a hissy-fit and calls me an intolerant __________, understand this. Homosexuality is a sin (which means to fall short or
miss the mark) to God because it is a distortion of what God intended. It makes an alternate use of mating. Now, it is important to realize that He
hates homosexuality, BUT loves the homosexual. So please, understand that God is not being a meany here. It is equivalent to Him hating lies, but
still loving those who lie, hates murder, theft, what have you, but loves those who do it. Homosexuality isn't "singled out" among sins in the
bible. It is only given as much weight as any other. A liar, or anyone who commits sin is no better than homosexuals. In other words, gays are on
the exact same plane as everyone else, because we are all guilty of some sort of sin. Okay? Understand? There is no reason to become upset. I know
that many Christians have been disrespectful or even hateful towards gays. Southern Baptists are known for this. This is very damaging for gay
people because it is very hurtful, and to Christians because it scars the reputation that we desire and should strive for. To really anger God, is to
misrepresent or carry out evil actions in His name. That is the most offensive thing to Him. So please, realize that those who bash gays are
misrepresenting God and christianity and are displaying the fallacies of humans. It is of man, not God.
Now Jay, I have come to realize that homosexuality is definitely partially, or even fully caused by genetics, and so urges or attractions gay people
have are genuine feelings. So I agree with you there. But why would God instill this into someone if it is wrong? It seems unfair to many if
that's really true. Well, for one thing, God doesn't directly insert those genes because He feels like toying with us. Much of the world He lets
run its course, and because it is imperfect, imperfections happen like sin for example. So we all struggle with this. Certain people are born with
the predisposition of lying. Others are more inherently susceptible to violence or anger. So gays are not unique, even though their sexual
preference is genetic. Very importantly, God never desired for the world to come to such a state of imperfection, where gays, and everyone are
unfortunately born with these parts of us that want to do the opposite of His intentions for us. The world is the way it is because Adam and Eve
committed the first sin which set the trend and gradual degeneration for the rest of history til now. God allowed that to happen and still lets the
world take its present course, even with the sin and evil, only because it is necessary for us
to have a choice with what we do. Either follow Him, or not. Sure, He could wipe out sin now, but then we would have no alternative and would be
forced or dictated to do His will. Love cannot exist under force and must be someone's own will and discernment. And God wants love.
So, I'm not a biggot here, and neither is Jesus or the christian faith. I had a good friend in high school who was gay. Like I said we all fall
short of God's law throughout life and no one has the right to see themself above any other group. And though we are born with certain weaknesses,
there is no excuse to just give in to them and pretend that it is alright. We should recognize our urges and how some differ from God's intentions
and fight them off. This is why the church does not condone gay marriage. Just as we don't condone many other things we consider wrong. And our
law is the way it is (it declares same sex marriage illegal along with the other illegal acts) because it was originally based around judeo-christian
values. It has held that way until today where it is being challenged. So, the way to make up to God our sins, gays or straights, murderers, liars,
pedophiles, thieves, selfish people, etc. is to admit them to Christ and ask for Him to pay them off through His death which He will do for ANYONE who
asks. We shouldn't accept and support our sins, such as gay marriage would do. It must be through Christ, because humans don't have the ability to
remove sins ourselves. That is why God decided to send His Son. We need His help to remove our faults and shortcomings.
Please understand that, yes all men and women are created equal, but our rights stop where it violates law, and in our case our law is related to
God's law. There are certain groups out there that all agree that they want to do outlandish or awful things. I'm sure they want the right to do
eccentric things too, but we should not. I'm not saying gays are eccentric though, only used that to illustrate the principle and why it's not
wrong to draw the line before condoning same sex marriage. Hopefully, this cleared up some reasons on why some of you wonder why there are those who
want to ban gay marriage.