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Absolute Ad Reshapes US/Mexico Map & Borders

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posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 08:19 AM
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Right. In war, people get shot and killed. Had they felt like NOT giving into the demands of the treaty, they could have said no, been killed, and others would take their place to continue the war.

BUT, they didnt. They chose to sign the treaty, save their own lives and as a result give up claim to the land north of the current border.

the circumstances of the treaty being signed does nothing to change the fact that it was signed. SO who should modern day mexicans be pissed at? The US for winning or their own leaders from over 100 years ago for losing?

i mean what would modern globes look like if we as a world got together and said "ok, any land any country has gained in the last 200 years goes back to whoever had it 200 years ago"

kind of silly dont you think?



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posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by jedimiller
I live at the border between san diego and tijuana. lets be realistic guys. The US stole california from Mexico, Texas and the Southwest etc. We threatened them and forced them to sign that treaty. it was an unfair transaction. think of someone selling you a lemon car and forcing you to sign the contract. realistically, the southwest still belongs to Mexico. technically it belongs to the US, but like everything else the US did during those times..was illegal.


Well then, in those same regards, Great Britain lays claim to US states, as does France, and Russia.

What has happened in the past, was what has been happening since the beginning of time. Tribes have taken land, and have done so in brutal fashion, conquering all in their wake. Accept the US did not steal any land from anyone, the US paid Mexico, which saw its indigenous people conquered by the Spaniards who had alot to do with conquering todays west coast. So yes, historically that map could be looked at as historical fact. However, it is hardly relevant in todays world, and most certainly is not fact in the year 2008.

It is my belief, that there is a "dream," a reconquer movement within the indigenous peoples of Mexico. However, that is all it is, is a dream. Mexico has its fair share of white Spaniards today, and many of them look down onto the dark skinned citizens who are forced to move northward to look for jobs. In Mexico, certain company's will not hire indigenous peoples just as some company's in the US have a hard time hiring blacks. There is a huge racial divide/problem going on in Mexico today. The mexican government would rather dump them off on the US, then have to deal with them themselves.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 10:04 PM
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Just a thought . . . wouldn't that mean that they would have farther to travel to cross illegally? Why would they want that?




posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 11:08 PM
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Just above San Francisco the Russians had there enclave thats why theres the Russian river so the map is wrong.And driving down hwy one in Baja you see shacks with million dollar ocean views we should of spent a few million more and bought Baja.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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The advert was meant for consumption in the Mexican market, where it would be received favourably.

The fact that American's have gotten their hands on it and gone loony-tunes is testament to how touchy they can be.

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posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 06:50 AM
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And yet no one is rioting and threatening violence



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 07:42 AM
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The humor and marketing angle was definitely lost on me.



Dear lord, how has this made 7 pages?



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Absolute ended the ad and apologized for how stupid they were to run it in the first place, so the ad is gone, and they realized there error. They said there were so many boycott requests they couldn't leave it up.

news.yahoo.com...;_ylt=AqeLonkh9MPNlHgzWKtMspSs0NUE



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 01:39 PM
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They didn't exactly 'pull' the ad, the ad was ended due to the campaign naturally ending. The apology wasn't exactly very convincing either, so they most likely lost thousands of loyal American customers, including restaurants and taverns across the US.

See the THOUSANDS of angry people give it to the company in the official website for Absolut. You can leave a comment yourselves..

www.absolut.com...

Their lame apology:


The In An Absolut World advertising campaign invites consumers to visualize a world that appeals to them -- one they feel may be more idealized or one that may be a bit "fantastic." As such, the campaign will elicit varying opinions and points of view. We have a variety of executions running in countries worldwide, and each is germane to that country and that population.

This particular ad, which ran in Mexico, was based upon historical perspectives and was created with a Mexican sensibility. In no way was this meant to offend or disparage, nor does it advocate an altering of borders, nor does it lend support to any anti-American sentiment, nor does it reflect immigration issues. Instead, it hearkens to a time which the population of Mexico may feel was more ideal.

As a global company, we recognize that people in different parts of the world may lend different perspectives or interpret our ads in a different way than was intended in that market. Obviously, this ad was run in Mexico, and not the US -- that ad might have been very different.




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posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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All this says to me is that some Americans have no sense of humour and take stuff way too seriously .....

Of course, in an 'Absolut world' Starbucks would be a chain of tea houses and Americans would spell humour properly



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Black Flag
The advert was meant for consumption in the Mexican market, where it would be received favourably.

The fact that American's have gotten their hands on it and gone loony-tunes is testament to how touchy they can be.

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Black Flag]



With the explosive nature of the "immigration problem" in the US, I think the response to the ad should be expected and understood.

Just imagine the ad reversed, meant for American "consumption", showing the US and Mexican borders with a huge wall and a mile wide moat separating the two.

You think the citizens of the USA are touchy?

My friend, the outrage from the Mexicans would be deafening!!

I'm sure they would go as far as asking our government leaders to publicly denounce the ad!

They would be marching in the streets!!

You think we're touchy?

You're a pretty funny guy.



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posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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The reverse for england would be a muslim flag over Buckingham palace, with the English taken off the signs that have Pakistani writing on them already. I know alot of English people that aren't thrilled with the paki and muslim invasion of there country, and this is our equivalent.



posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 05:54 AM
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No, the equivalent for England would be an advert aimed at the French or Spanish Market showing England as being part of France or Spain



posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 06:42 AM
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Lou Dobbs on CNN on Youtube as they discuss it on the 7th of April when i haerd about it first
www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 09:11 AM
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Just to add...

Umm, over the last few weeks of alcohal consumposion...

I can state, with no scientific analysts behind it, that Absolute sales are WAY DOWN...

We had some big drinking holidays here, and the Absolute Vodka just sat there, more then i have ever seen...

its staying that way too... everytime i walk by, there is a full shelf of 750ml bottles of absolute... even all the Crappy vodka is selling, there was even some American Vodka that came out the other week, and the store sold out of them in less then a week


Even smirnof is selling more now...


Im sure there are sales numbers to back this up... but i dont need them to know the truth...



posted on Apr, 30 2008 @ 03:46 PM
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Thats good news for me. Thanks for the update, I never liked absolute anyway, always kind of second rate, but the 'popular' brand for some people, well not any more



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