Did Jesus really die?, page 6
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reply posted on 11-7-2008 @ 04:57 AM by queenofangels_17
reply to post by saint4God



saint4God,

It's the truth, Jesus died just like a normal man at the age of 120 according to the Prophet Muhammad, as revealed to him by the Angel Gabriel.

"It is reported from Ibn Abbas that the Holy Prophet said in a sermon: O people! You will be gathered to your Lord (on the day of Judgment) ... and some people from my Umma will be taken and dragged towards hell. I shall say: ‘O Lord, but these are my people’. It will be replied: ‘You do not know what they did after you’. Then I shall say as did that righteous servant of God (Jesus) say: ‘I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die (tawaffaitani) Thou wast Watcher over them’ ..." (Bukhari, Kitab al-Tafsir, under Surah Ma’idah)

"Aisha (God be pleased with her) said that, in his illness in which he died, the Holy Prophet said: ‘Every year Gabriel used to repeat the Holy Quran with me once, but this year he has done it twice. He has informed me that there is no prophet but he lives half as long as the one who preceded him. And he has told me that Jesus lived a hundred and twenty years, and I see that I am about to leave this world at sixty’."

005.075 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

We are given the age of Jesus as 120, the supposed crucifixion of Jesus was at the age of 30-33, he was not the one who died, but in truth it was Judas, which they wrote off in the scripture as hanging himself due to ill conscience.
For all we know, Jesus has married and had kids as normal men do.

013.038 And verily We sent messengers (to mankind) before thee, and We appointed for them wives and offspring, and it was not (given) to any messenger that he should bring a portent save by Allah's leave. For everything there is a time prescribed.

"Muhammad is only a messenger, messengers before him have indeed passed away" (3:144);

"And We made no mortal before thee to live on forever" (21:34);

"Nor did they (the prophets) live on forever" (21:8).

016.043 And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not!

016.063 By Allah, We verily sent messengers unto the nations before thee, but the devil made their deeds fairseeming unto them. So he is their patron this day, and theirs will be a painful doom.

018.056 We send not the messengers save as bearers of good news and warners. Those who disbelieve contend with falsehood in order to refute the Truth thereby. And they take Our revelations and that wherewith they are threatened as a jest.

021.025 And We sent no messenger before thee but We inspired him, (saying): There is no God save Me (Allah), so worship Me.

022.052 Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;

022.075 Allah chooseth from the angels messengers, and (also) from mankind. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Seer.

On the Day of Judgment, the messengers and those who received the message will be questioned, and Jesus and his disciples will be a witness against the Children of Israel for contaminating his Gospel.

005.111 And when I inspired the disciples of Jesus, (saying): Believe in Me and in My messenger, they said: We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered (unto Thee) "we are muslims".

007.006 Then verily We shall question those unto whom (Our message) hath been sent, and verily We shall question the messengers.

005.012 Allah made a covenant of old with the children of Israel and We raised among them twelve chieftains, and Allah said: Lo! I am with you. If ye establish worship and pay the poor-due, and believe in My messengers and support them, and lend unto Allah a kindly loan, surely I shall remit your sins, and surely I shall bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow. Whoso among you disbelieveth after this will go astray from a plain road.

The Children of Israel who received and believed the Prophet Muhammad fulfilled their Covenant with God, that is to believe in His messengers. But the rest who keep on denying the Holy Quran are the Covenant Breakers.

We believe in the testimony of the Prophet Muhammad about the true circumstance surrounding the alleged death of Jesus on the cross, because it was a revelation from God, the ONLY Knower of the Unseen. And the Gospel which I quote from testifies also to the truthfulness of Jesus. The New Testament where you base your belief has been corrupted and contaminated by the workings of Satan that scarcely is the truth found. But now has the truth come to you, if you really believe in God, trust in His guidance and He will lead you to the path of truth.

007.157 Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.

008.024 O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and the messenger when He calleth you to that which quickeneth you, and know that Allah cometh in between the man and his own heart, and that He it is unto Whom ye will be gathered.

The Holy Quran is a well of Living Water, just as the True Gospel of Jesus was, let him who thirst drink from this well and they will thirst no more.

Deuteronomy 18:17-19

17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Peace!


reply posted on 11-7-2008 @ 05:37 PM by Iasion
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reply posted on 16-7-2008 @ 01:57 PM by Neo Christian Mystic
Originally posted by queenofangels_17
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post by saint4God



saint4God,

It's the truth, Jesus died just like a normal man at the age of 120 according to the Prophet Muhammad, as revealed to him by the Angel Gabriel.


I wouldn't use Gabriel as a valid source, he's reknown for telling allegories, not truth. He simply cant hand'le duality and division, for he is division, he is duality. My friend Gabrien said it clearly: jump oppf the earth core, turn yourself into a steam engine making it possible in origo of time; before whatever happened happened. What I explained here Gabrioelø wise, means we could'st make it to the moon without nuclear energy. ....and titan. Gabriel simply said Jesus was limited by man's limitatio0ns, and was not a preordeal giant. He had to de at 120. Like me perhaps ;P)


reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 06:35 AM by Neo Christian Mystic
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows



I share the belief that Jesus was influenced by buddhism and other Eastern ideas. But like you said it's kinda off topic, so, later...


reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 11:32 AM by miriam0566
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Why is it so important to you that he died? So that you can continue to believe the lies of the Pope and your aunt that you then somehow don't need to die? That he died for you? If he was killed, he was killed for your transgressions towards the Spirit who witnes not reality, but the hopes and beliefs of the people and gods of this world.


firstly, what does the pope have to do with this? and i dont even have an aunt.

secondly, to say that jesus didnt die is to miss several thing about the bible. its to claim that he wasnt the son of god, its to claim that a ransom wasnt needed and it is to claim that the bible is not inspired.

in fact, it makes worshipping god pointless.

1 cor 15:[12] Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
[13] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
[14] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
[15] Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
[16] For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
[17] And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
[18] Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
[19] If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 01:40 PM by Neo Christian Mystic
It will make twisted Christian worship, like you say, pointless. And it is, and Paul saus so himself. Paul never witnessed the crusifiction or had even seen the guy, but you hold this Pharicee's way of explaining Jesus crucial as if it was a mechanial method to get to heaven. God is love, and love saved Jesus from certain death. Love, and God, is a motivator, it makes us do good things. And instead of breaking Jesju's bones, he instead proclaimed him to be the true Son of God, and instead performed a rather violent looking surgical prosedure which allowed Jesus to breath again. And the sponge with vinegar lying by would make a great valve. Then all they needed to do was to save him from ending up in the fires of Gehenna, where all dead convicts were burnt and condemned for good. Suddenly, like an angel, Joseph of Arimathea is there with his contacts and money and manages to buy the lifeless corpus, they hurry up to his tomb and the rest is mystery until the tomb is found open three and a half days later, when Rosemary meets the risen, and like any other patient he has to say to her who wants to hug him, that he is still not fully well after the incident the other day, so she can't throw her arms around him. Love works. You can't get something to happen without doing something. Leaving it all into the hands of the Lord, like Christians tend to do, is to tempt God, and you wouldn't want that, would you? Satan revealed for Jesus what he would test his followers in. Here, have some granite, it is marbleous...

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reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 06:16 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by miriam0566



Not really, it's my opinion that his teachings and his message was perverted into a device for control by those that came later. Also, the only reason the title son of god has any revelance in this day and age no one uses it. But back then it was a common Hebrew sentiment that they were all children of god so thusly not all that remarkable a claim. I think that is part of the perverting I talk about earlier.
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