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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
The gospel doesn't say when he started breathing again.
Normally victims of crucifixion hung for days until they died from exhaustion and bloodloss.
This could explain how he didn't say anything when Pilate judge him, how he didn't manage to carry the cross
Untreated, a punctured longue leads to respiratory failure and eventually death. However, if you pierce a hole into the thorax of the patient like the centurion did with Jesus, and drain it for water and blood and stabilise the air pressure inside the chest, respiratory functions will commence and the wound in the longue will grow in a couple of days.
Originally posted by junglejake
So the Roman soldier who pierced Christ's side knew both how to kill a man and how to tell if he was dead.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Yes He died. Oh .. check out the Shroud of Turin. It's real.
Originally posted by zombiemann
For starters normal victims of crucifixion were not beaten and abused as severely as Jesus was. Keep in mind the 40 -1 lashes he received with the scourge was a separate punishment in and of its self.
Also the actual cause of death in a crucifixion is not blood loss or exhaustion. It is asphyxiation.
The biggest problem with this is: he did not speak when Pilate judged him but he did speak 7 times on the cross.
As far as not being able to carry it, he already had the tar beat out of him. Depending on who you listen to, the cross would have weighed anywhere between 150 to 300lbs.
With a scalpel or small knife, yes it is possible to relieve the symptoms of a puncture lounge. ... But a spear head would do more damage than it could possibly relieve.
Originally posted by junglejake
...what we do know is what it meant to be a Roman soldier. These were guys who knew death; death was a way of life in the Roman empire. In conjunction with that, to fail at your duties meant death to you. So the Roman soldier who pierced Christ's side knew both how to kill a man and how to tell if he was dead.
Originally posted by saint4God
Does any religious faith have any gain for suggesting that he did not die?