3rd graders plotted attack, brought knife, handcuffs

One thing could certainly help:

Stop shovel-feeding the population violence over an over until it's regurgitated in our schools by little babies. Most kids, if not all kids learn by example. If we're going to continue to glorify violence then expect this to continue happening for generations to come. I used to be one of those people that said "Oh please, I watched violence all the time and look at me! I'm not a violent person." But the truth is I'm desensitized to violence. It doesn't bother me to actually see it happen, that doesn't mean I don't want to have it stop. It needs to stop. The generations after me will be more than desensitized. They'll think it's ok. And we're allowing it to happen. Violence is a regular part of our breakfast, lunch, and dinner shows as we absorb the pretty colors and pleasing sounds of the television set. Did anyone notice that this sort of thing is starting at younger and younger ages?

1 Parents need to stop using the TV as a babysitter.
2 Parents need to teach their kids about being decent
individuals instead of taking the two faced cues they get
from the idiots on the idiot box.
3 Parents just need to be parents again. The biggest issue I see
with parent these days is that they'd rather be one of the buddies
than the actual parent. I commend the parents out there that do
give a crap about what avenue feeds the brains of their children.
But for those of you who think that violence can't be indoctrinated,
look around. Pay attention. Because here's the result.



[edit on 1-4-2008 by projectvxn]

reply to post by projectvxn


I totally agree with you. I gave you a star.

ATTENTION CHILDREN: Turn of the t.v.!

It really does start to rot the brain.

reply to post by deltaboy
I'm going to be brutaly honest here.

1. Fact: Some teachers are in the wrong field and are not happy doing what they are doing. They do not relate well with kids. I said the teacher should also be investigated. NOT all teachers are mean. I dont have anything against teachers. Check.

2. The kids are reacting to society, the war, the no- tolerance teachers once had for kids- compassion. They REACT to the world, they are not stupid. check.

3. For years now it has been drilled into their little heads that they SHOULD NOT BE ABUSED. Rightfully so, but to a kid, it includes teachers as well. They are NOT relating to THIS teacher at all.

Someone needs a shrink, and i suggest the teacher be examined first.*

Originally posted by schism85
reply to post by projectvxn

 

I totally agree with you. I gave you a star.

ATTENTION CHILDREN: Turn of the t.v.!

It really does start to rot the brain.

It's not just TV. All media is manufactured like this. It's crazy. Music, movies, tv shows, kids cartoons, grown up cartoons that kids regularly watch, video games, news, schools, magazines of all kinds. The list just keeps getting bigger.

I'm not saying it should all be flowers and candy. But for the love of everything holy, please watch your damned kids and stop expecting the rest of the world to do it for you. Parents are convinced that the schools or the state is responsible for raising their children these days. It's ridiculous. Parents have become backseat drivers.

This isn't likely a big deal as it's made out to be.

Me and mine went about much more interesting yet similar crap back in them days, say 1st grade on. Of course this thing was much more excusable back then, less punishment even when more was due.

My point is that thinking and planning these things are a long way off from actually going through with it. It's a form of Fright Rage combined with self respect issues that causes these extreme thoughts. At this point intense therapy is needed STAT!

Todays games and movies don't help much either.

But hey....guess I'm still around

reply to post by dgtempe


I have empathy for the kids, I would look in their eyes and understand what makes them tick. Get them to open themselves to me as much as I open myself to them to show that neither of us are strangers. But I would not allow students a free hand to do whatever they want to do to keep them happy and off my back and out of the way. If a student is talking while lecturing I would ask that student to stop talking. Next time I see that student talking again while I'm lecturing I would give a warning. Final time, its out in the hall for that student. Will he/she get made at me for doing it? Probably, but I'm not going to be sorry for that student or fear he/she would come back with a vengeance. No sir.

Originally posted by LockwithnoKey
This isn't likely a big deal as it's made out to be.

Me and mine went about much more interesting yet similar crap back in them days, say 1st grade on. Of course this thing was much more excusable back then, less punishment even when more was due.

My point is that thinking and planning these things are a long way off from actually going through with it. It's a form of Fright Rage combined with self respect issues that causes these extreme thoughts. At this point intense therapy is needed STAT!

Todays games and movies don't help much either.

But hey....guess I'm still around

They don't need therapy they need discipline! They need their parents to control them. Period. Keep a damned tracking device attached to them. Know what they are doing when and with whom. This isn't some deep seeded things. These are babies, they don't have deep seeded anything. What they do have is parents that don't watch them, and don't control the the crap that is fed into their heads.

reply to post by projectvxn


Besides that, we don't allow kids to watch any graphic or sexual content movies. Only documentaries on particular subjects which no doubt can bore the students out of their minds. Kids be clamoring for violent movies or sex like they are addicted to it, no doubt. At home they can do whatever they want and parents even allow it.

Also I make sure that I walk around when in the computer lab to see my students are not leaning away from their assignment they are suppose to be working on and not looking at porn or violent footage.

[edit on 1-4-2008 by deltaboy]

They're still young and full of nutrients. Recycle them!

I dunno about nut teachers... I had a couple pretty bad ones and I would draw pictures of the teacher getting stabbed, shot, attacked with a tactical nuclear aerial strike force... and I even brought knives to school. Never really intended to actually use them though.

It sounds like the kids have been watching too much CSI.

reply to post by apc


Yeah...what the knives for? For your fingernails?

Cus I was being "bad" and I thought it was "cool."

I was in kindergarten... gimme a break!

That really doesn't compare to these kids though. Laying out plans and assigning duties? You see guys on Americas Dumbest Criminals that can't even figure half of that out.

Ya'll are way overestimating of the skill that is needed to make such broad statements of planning such attacks. Most kids are actually more in tune with alternative means of destruction than their adult counterparts.

Simply put, there is more info available to those that think it's cool to know.
I'm sure some people here have owned a copy of the Anarchists cookbook, gained knowledge from it, came up with some wild ideas and that's about where it stays.

Parents discipline is of course mandatory, however, most parents viewpoints are what mess their kids up from the get go.
Parents should always look after their kids well being, that also means getting them to the proper help if they are not skilled in the needs required.

It might sound strange but I find a silver lining in this event, these THIRD GRADERS!!!! Were working together and had a plan, hell we adults can't even come close to devising a plan about what to do about our out of control Gov't because we cannot work together. Without being there we are just expressing our opinions about who and what and why, but the fact is they as a group in the same situation came together and tried to implement a plan, Wow!
Side note don't blame the parents so quickly either, the Gov't has most of us parents scared to descipline our children and the lot of you calling for it would probably be the same lot crying abuse should we implement it. Tree hugging liberals getting the little monsters they asked for as far as I'm concerned, except these little monsters are organized!!!

reply to post by LockwithnoKey


I wouldn't underestimate the kids even if they are kids. They can be devious in many ways. Especially trying to cheat and get away with it. Or manipulating you.

reply to post by deltaboy


Good call.
You know how it goes! I like it.

reply to post by schism85


Seeing what they brought.. I am disturbed and yet amused on what ever it was they where plotting.

I think the teacher should be watched by staff to see how good of a teacher he is.. seriously.. if your third grade class tries to do you in .. lol .. you should question your career choice.

Ah. This story makes me smile. We used to shoot spit wads.. but tape, a knife and a crystal paperweight? .. LOL .. seriously.. what the hell where these little spawns of Satan going to do?1??!

I would just like to say, many people grow up and are amazed at how they used to be as a child, how bad they were etc. So we have to be careful how we punish these children, because it can affect the rest of their lives, and when they grow up they might be a totally different person, who would not understand or remember why he used to be so bad haha.

well when you teach girls at young ages to watch their weight an boys to not cry or such an such, also with most parents not around anyhmore cuz both are working fulltime an not parenting their babysiter or daycare is.... they are like feral children, I mean kidsd need more time with parents an less with others without parents parenting them....

its a growing trend.... lack of time an more stimuli from Mainstream Society. Our movies, our shows, our net ads, our news casts, our text books even, useless babble is confusing kids an teaching them that their is no right an wrong just variations of it. When honestly comes down to You take away anothers freewill your wrong, You let them have their freewill your right.... simple.

these kids obviously had been thinking about this for a bit an finally went thru with it most likely from a ringleader, an with kids valuing attention they followed thru with mob mentality.

These kids need to have a social worker make check ups with them an their family make sure things are ok, as well as have the teacher moved to another class or something.... cut the bridges before they burn so you have spare parts..... lol

reply to post by Rockpuck


I went through the student teacher course at my school at the time to be evaluated by the teacher that I was with to whatever school they picked me for. I also have my supervisor of the university who also evaluated me and help me by critiquing any weaknesses or any problems that may need to be addressed when preparing me as an instructor. Teachers who can't handle this profession would leave after the first year either because they can't handle the kids or have no support from the school they work in. If you do well, you will be certified and recommended by the supervisor and the supervising teacher who can be very helpful getting use to being a teacher in a different world and learning many new things from a veteran teacher. Of course when you have your certification you still have to apply and get a job and be interviewed by the principals to see if you are competent and loves to work with kids.

Its all about managing the class. Hence called Classroom Management.

[edit on 1-4-2008 by deltaboy]

Hmm...

Note to self: Begin recruiting groups of 2nd - 5th graders. Train them in weapons and criminal techniques. Go to the US State Georgia.

What are we going to do tonight, Brain?

The same thing we do every night, pinky: Try to take over Georgia!



Damn kids. That's not that crazy though. I live in Asia and about 25 miles south of where I live, there are 5 year olds with AK47's that inhabit a terrorist training zone, currently under Martial Law.

Boys will be boys!